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For Martin not bringing in a new NEP is enough to sell Alberta on the glory of the Liberals. wtf? Vote for us because we aren't going to steal your money as blatantly as Trudeau did??? Seriously though, people were willing to give him a chance in Alberta prior to Adscam. No chance now though. Maybe with a new leader, unlikely but you never know.

Probably, so they will. But anyone who would actually vote based on opposition to privatizing the CBC definitely wouldn't vote Conservative anyways. ps, nice ad hominem attack on the CPC by bringing up a totally useless comparison to the U.S. Bravo Sir!

Joe Clark, John Diefenbaker, Stockwell Day. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lester Pearson, John Turner, Paul Martin.

Looks like Koizumi won his gamble big time. http://tinyurl.com/bhlqr Now the postal reform will go through. Good news for finally reforming the Japanese economy. This will help the world economy and Canada big time.

Yes, I see it now. Any Canadian who is outraged that money from the sponsorship scandal was kicked back to support the political activities of the Liberal Party of Canada must be retarded. Please help me in my mental deficiency and explain the link between promoting the benefits of Canada and having tax payer dollars funnelled to the coffers of the Liberal Party of Canada. It is somehow better if the theft is perpetrated by rogue bureaucrats and criminals instead of businessmen? Must be my retardation, still not getting the point on this one. But wait, the PCs were, deservedley, turfed out of office in 1993.

That is the key. Forget sparhawk's ridiculous "conspiracy to keep Martin in the dark" theory. However, sh*t flows uphill. Even though Bernie Ebbers, ex-President/CEO of Worldcom probably didn't have direct knowledge of the company's fiscal shenanigans he is still residing in a club fed. Martin doesn't deserve something, that drastic. But he still shouldn't be PM.

Which she has. But who should be held criminally responsible for the misspending of the funds? Could Martin seriously try and use that as a defence? "My cabinet colleagues, including some who now sit in my cabinet, all got together and conspired to illegally disperse millions of tax payer dollars." Funds that just happened to flow back to his party??? If he didn't know who was involved in the fraud why appoint any of the conspirators to his cabinet. Are there really plausible and logical explanations for this blatant incompetence/corruption? If so then why provide an example as ludicrous as the Chretien cabinet conspiring to hide the facts from Martin? Here is a term you should learn from the world of accounting. Materiality. For the Finance Minister of Canada the spending of $250 Million dollars of new money is material and should be watched closely. Please tell me if the following is a fair question. Is there any evidence Justice Gomery could present in his report that could make you think Martin was actually culpable in adscam? Do tell what that is. PS - man, with a defence this weak Martin is dead in the water. The next election is going to be all Adscam all the time. Woo hoo Dithers, good work avenging your father's memory.

Theoretically a good point, but somebody's got pay off that damned debt.

Do you really have access to information about people posting from jail? Point taken though.

Gotta take issue with the arrogance, and flat out falseness of this one. Here is how that large organization known as the government of canada works. Of course the Finance Minister isn't going to know about every little million spent here or there in a budget in the $170 to $180 billion dollar range. However, this was a QUARTER billion dollar project involving new money being spent. Sure as hell the Finance Minister, and a senior Quebec minister is going to be aware of it. Because it was that much money being spent for the first time in a new area it was bound to have been scrutinized by cabinet. (Willful blindness is a defence that will not work in this case, much to the chagrin of Martin.)

Will do just as soon as you start answering the back log of questions you have ignored. Too bad the NDs have no enemies. Kinda sad they are such a laughing stock nobody takes them seriously enough to consider them an enemy.

Do you have any actual examples of untruthful or inaccurate Tory statements regarding adscam? Note to Paul Martin. Heads gotta roll big time over this. You are going to have zero luck trying to use Adscam against the CPC in any respect. You were finance minister when over $100 million of our tax dollars were thrown away.

That was a completely unwarranted personal attack. Yet again dickhead mirror, lowers the level of discussion on the board. Bravo sir, you are a champion. Question 27 Will you ever move out of your parent's basement? (Personal attacks flow both ways jerk.)

Question 27 where you able to find an environmentally conscious story that could supply you with trackpants able to hold your ample derriere? Man, that will be painful seeing the NDs without party status with PM Harper in the house.

Wow, what incredible wit. Are you trying to emulate The Comic Guy rhetorically now that you match him so much in physical appearace? Running total of questions posed to Mirror unanswered ... 25! Question 26. How many seats do you see the NDs winning in the next election? 15? 20?

And those who spell at a grade nine level?

newbie you appear to be a reasonable dude. MB had to defend himself from mirror's mean-spirited little attack. This thread hasn't been about following the rules of the board. This thread is about mirror spreading ever more hatred. MB was merely mirror's latest victim. Poor, poor mirror. Lost in a fantasy land of star wars, too tight track pants and a couple inability to judge realistic political policies or economics at any level. Keep up the good work greg!

Holy shite, we get the socialist agenda. To start two 'different' threads based on the same article is quite apropos of the Federal NDs. A barren policy cupboard, so they recycle the same things over and over. Little Jackie's season in the son has come and gone. I figure they are maybe 50/50 to retain party status next time around.

As opposed to the New Democrats, with their PEAK support of 20% in the 1988 Federal election? Do answer a question though mirror? Why is it that you whine like a biotch everytime somebody hijacks one of your threads, yet you are supporting this terrible little hijack of ndpnic'? Me thinks thou art a hypocrite.

Am I actually agreeing with Mirror? OMFG

I think there is a slightly larger group minimizing the value of Gomery. That's the fanatical Martinites plus the hardcore NDs. They see the writing on the wall that Canadians knowing the true facts about Gomery means a CPC government. The CPC will not be buying ND votes in parliament with taxpayers money. Therefore, the principled ND supporters would rather Martin get away with frittering hundreds of millions of taxpayers money in Adscam so he can buy the votes of ND Members of Parliament for a few billion here and there.

Dearest Montgomery: Please don't give our good friend Mirror's made up numbers creedence by not challenging him on them. Where does this 2% number come from? It is still a big issue here in Quebec, which is a pretty populous province, not that I know how Canada works or anything here. Strange thing about public opinion, once a topic returns to the front pages of the newspapers people tend to become interested in it again. Dearest Mirror: Your naivete is shocking. True Martin appointed Gomery, but he surely must rue the day that he did. One would think that with a scandal as a large as Adscam has become that surely the blame will fall past the Pm of the day to the Finance Minister of the day, who happens to be our PM for the short-term, at lest.

It's not a matter of a need for eloquence, but try staying on topic please. If you want just a mere Harper hate-in I am sure mirror and his ilk will surely join in on any other thread you want to start. The repeated use of exclamation marks is a little weak though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From today's Globe and Mail. http://tinyurl.com/ckmnp The lead says it all. "Ottawa — Mr. Justice John Gomery is concerned that federal officials may have corrupted the “non-partisan and professional character of the civil service” and tilted the sponsorship program in favour of “advertising agencies that donated to the Liberal Party of Canada,” inquiry documents show. In addition, Judge Gomery has indicated he may find that the sponsorship program was managed in a way that “lacked transparency and failed to optimize resources.” The information is contained in letters in which Judge Gomery has warned a number of bureaucrats and Liberal officials that he could slap them with a finding of misconduct in his final report, asking them to respond to his allegations." So much for talk of the Liberals 'engineering' a defeat this fall. Gomery is going to be big news again..... Thank you for the vindictiveness Chretien.

Absolutely nothing. They are keeping the only things people really care about, sports, antiques road show and those british soaps. Don't really care if they ever come back.