
shoop
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Uh, sure. If it is a minority Liberal government there will be leadership conventions for both major parties. Which is probably going to be what happens... The Conservatives have tons of policies. When was the last time you looked at their Web site? Oh that's right much easier to attack the enemy on false grounds than actually do your research. My bad.
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Chretien To Challenge Gomery's Findings
shoop replied to tml12's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
There is also the concept of willful blindness. If Martin did have an inkling that something was wrong but avoided looking into it he could be found criminally responsible. Granted such a case would never see the light of day. Lucky, lucky Martin he will just have to go down as the second least successfully leader of the Liberals in the last century - come on down John Turner. At least PM jr. avenged PM sr. kinda .... -
Entirely typical of many third world politician. Sells his supporters on the 'great deal' he made, then the docile sheep say nothing when the head of the country reneges on the deal. Jacko you are an all star!
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Economic Left/Right: -1.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69 Shows just how left Canada is economically. I am to the left economically (I assume using the U.S. middle as middle of the road.) However I support the Conservative Party of Canada....
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Uhhh, Gomery went out of his way to be easy on Martin. So yes, they could be in much, much more trouble. Ploy? Tactic? Manouever? Call it what you will, but isn't the job of Official Leader of the Opposition to present an alternative to the Government?
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Problems with the Minority Government
shoop replied to Humber_student's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
It's not as if THIS Liberal team is all that different from THAT Liberal team (i.e. the one in power when the money was stolen.) The NDP will continue to prop up the Liberals. Having been burned by Layton in the past Harper won't move a non-confidence motion seriously. If Layton does, thus committing his MPs to voting to bring down the government then you will see an election. I think everybody will just wait until after Gomery's final report. -
Martin showed his true coulours when he cancelled the tax cut for business in order to save his arse. I don't REALLY think there is any ideology guiding the Liberals. They are in government for the sake of having power and in order to line their own pockets. (Oh, they can prove we stole $1.14 Million - guess we better pay that back!)
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Harper wouldn't govern like Bush. He has said time and again that he won't. The only thing saving the Liberals right now is the gullibility of the Canadian population to continually buy the Liberals' lies. No Canadian government has EVER governed the country as conservatively as Bush is governing right now. But thanks for telling me how to prepare myself pal.
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It's about respect and the rules of the board. If you can't behave their is no reason for you to be here.
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No evidence for this. Never mind the oft-chronicled higher efficiency of the private sector. Want proof? Provide some for higher overhead in the private sector...
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Unfortunately, voters don't think too much about their choices and thus are easily swayed by emotional appeals, so a nuanced approach like that is likely to be ineffective. I think that's been the NDP's problem for a while: an inability to articulate their message in a way which is both simple and non-threatening to soft Liberal supporters who vote Liberal more out of fear of the alternatives than any commitment to that party and its policies. With one of those "bad apples" being the PM himself? I mean, Jesus Christ: even if Martin was in the clear and just too stupid to know what was going on under his nose, he should still accept responsibility out of principle. That would be one act of real leadership in his otherwise unremarkable tenure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Layton 'tried to make the minority government work' in the spring and got SCREWED in doing so. Good work Jack, oh sorry we are going to re-implement those tax cuts. Thanks for coming out though.... So if the Canadian public penalizes the Liberal Party for Adscam they aren't acting 'fairly'? Wow, what an interesting sense of fair play!
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Quit being such an insufferable a**hole and use the real name of the party. F*ckwit.
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I don't know if the Conservatives can provide honesty and integrity, but I know without a doubt that the Liberals can't. At least under Paul Martin. I would consider thinking about voting for them again under a new leader... Just what issues do you consider to be important. (To you I would guess...) Unless there is no room for other points of view
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Hmmm, what fair-minded person said this? Gomery said it himself! So how exactly is this a *complete* exoneration of Martin? Better try a new line. The *complete* exoneration line ain't gonna fly with any but the committed.
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One of the great quotes from the report. If ScottBrison feels this is exoneration, all the much better. Gomery will be a major issue in the election, for sure. ETA this quote comes from the report.
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Hey buddy, why don't you tone down the rhetoric a little. The correct name is the Conservative Party of Canada. If you can't even advance that modicum of respect nobody is going to listen to you.
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The problem for the Cons under Harper is that the Liberals have inaccurately, and unfairly painted him as beholden to the social conservative side of the party. He's not. Just look at the party's current platform. Sure you can dig up old statement's of his, but you can do the same with Martin. Democratic deficit, "my term in office will be a waste if I can't deal with Western alienation", government renewal, national daycare program. Harper is following the right course. The Liberals are going to have to do a little more than yell Scary Scary Scary this time around...
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Not unless the likes of Eureka be given incentive to amend their ways. His continually stirring the pot here only moves most threads he posts on into the "partisan pissing matches" you would hope to avoid.
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Woo hoo! Complete and utter victory. eureka only resorts to personal attacks and avoids the subject all together when his microscopic mind cannot admit defeat
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I'll say this much, though: were Svend, say, a straight membe rof the Conservative party, you'd not be hearing a peep from the usual suspects here about his behaviour. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because he wouldn't be running again for the party. Period. Svend wouldn't be allowed to run as a Conservative candidate. Any other "hidden agenda" post is sad and pathetic. Nice try though....
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Is there anyway the CBC will get the point and try and BUILD it's viewership? Fluffy propaganda pieces mythologizing Trudeau are anaethema to many Canadians, i.e. anyone from a part of the country Trudeau never took the time for. Just kinda irks me that tax money is going to support crappy 'broadcasting' like this.
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Touché, but therein lies the conundrum. I completely agree there will be a majority next time around, i.e. in the spring of 2006. I also believe both outcomes (CPC or fliberal majority) are equally as likely at this point. The results from the latest decima poll are essentially a draw. This is a very exciting election for political junkies. There hasn't been an election this open going in since 1984. For Conservative partisans we can only hope the results mirror 1984. The debates will TRULY count this go round.
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Hmm, let's use your arbitrary 40% safe majority level as a starting point. In the last FIFTY years only two Conservative leaders have ever polled over forty percent in the only poll that counts .... election day. Diefenbaker. Once in FIVE elections as leader and Mulroney both times. Harper is building slowly. He saw the mistakes of Stockwell Day in trying to swing for the fences. Slow and steady wins the race. As long as the election is about Liberal corruption and arrogance people will drown out the pathetic 'scary, scary, scary' cries. Your unsophisticated analysis of the situation is telling of a deeper bias.
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New story in today's Globe. Random globe story... Not a lot of regional results. Story only says that the Liberals are up eight points on the CPC in Ontario and they trail the Bloc by TWENTY-EIGHT points in Quebec. That would equate to a loss of ten or so seats in Quebec to the Bloc and ten or so seats in Ontario to the CPC. Say the NDs pick up three seats from the Liberals. How does this look for a post 2005 election House of Commons? Liberals - 112 Seats CPC - 110 (assuming they re-take Cadman's seat) BQ - 64 NDs - 22 Wow, gotta be scary for Martin at this point.
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This wasn't the signature I was referring too. Look at it, it doesn't make any sense in reference to my post about your signature at the time.