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Yeah, I'm already convinced that Justin is going to be one of Canada's greatest Prime Ministers. To be a great P.M., he has to be an anti-Conservative and he's that. He's the furthest thing from being a fascist and a neo-Nazi and another Trump. Scheer thinks Trump's great. You won't understand. Go help the Conservatives pull the wings off of houseflies. It's a substitute passtime until the next US led war.

The link I posted makes the accusations. But ignore it if you have no answer. https://north99.org/2018/08/10/a-not-so-brief-history-of-racism-from-andrew-scheers-conservative-party/ They're neo-Nazis posing as a viable alternative for Canada's government. We've been fooled by them in the past and they never change their stripes. This time they're even applauding the US's psychopath president and following his lead of appealing to the lowest in his constituents. Why, didn't Harper even try to undercut our Canadian NAFTA negotiating team? And then we Liberals should get into the pesonal stuff too shouldn't we? the Cons live by it! Look at fat little halfpint Scheer as compared to our physically fit and great looking gentleman who is our Prime Minister! Maybe try a pair of highheel cowboy boots and a ten gallon cowboy hat on Scheer? And maybe a bit of lip rouge and some makeup?

I'll disregard the babbling and take on at a time. Yes, Obama is largely responsible for the peace in Syria. His red line speech was very deliberate and enabled him to come together with Putin and Assad on the elimination of Assad's chem/bio arsenal. (or for what it was supposed to be?) Thereby cutting the legs out from under US hawks who were in the process of building the provocations for war against Syria. And Obama did it at a time in which Russia's part in the ME and especially Syria was so strategically important. Obama gave license to Russia/Putin to move into Syria, and remain forever as an invited guest. Thereby allowing peace to come to Syria. The US can never again get away with indiscriminate bombing of Syria's civilian population. Therefore, you must see Obama as a traitor to his country. History has been forever changed by Putin, Obama, and Assad in concert! And the effect is as farreaching as Iran because Iran is now under the protective wings of both China and Russia. As to Obama being responsible for the rise of the Islamic State. ISIS? ISIL? That's ridiculous, the Islamic State is another term for freedom fighters which were created in the ME with the Gulf War. And that was a big part of the reason for the revenge attack on the US of 911. The US had it coming, but that's another topic altogether. Putin and Assad kill bad people who are attempting to take over Syria and oust it's legitimate government. Laugh it off at that! It's just another Ukraine or Iraq, which are all US interference in foreign lands. 40 US wars of aggression since WW2 alone! Remember?

A few comments on Scheer's and the Conservative's history of racism. https://north99.org/2018/08/10/a-not-so-brief-history-of-racism-from-andrew-scheers-conservative-party/ But the big question is, are Con supporters even interested in debating the accusations? Aren't the majority of their ilk quite proud of preferring pure white Christians as citizens of Canada? Don't they openly tell us that people who immigrate to Canada must 'integrate', and then refuse to tell us what that's supposed to mean, as to what others will be permitted to do and not do? I contend that the Conservatives are the anti-liberals and they hate everything liberalism stands for. Their god is money and Milty Friedman and they don't pretend otherwise! Check out the link and all the sub-headings. Each of those speaks loudly for what they really are when out of their closets.

Thanks, there's hope for you if you understand sky fairy nonsense.

Shouldn't you disqualify yourself from topics in which race, ethnicity, or religion are considerations that will determine guilt or innocence? You've already made it clear that people who come to Canada as immigrants must 'integrate', but you have no idea what that means and no submissions on what you'll allow them to do or not do when they become Canadians. Is it not fair of me to think they will have to walk and talk and dress and worship (Xtian) and act like Canadians. What is this integration you want to force on people? That's not an accusation, it's a question so I can get your schtick right.

If you see my remarks as accusations then you need to challenge them. If you don't think you have to then you're free to run for cover. I mean really, if the shoe fits wear it! I view the CPC as closet fascist or neo-Nazi, even though they try to keep it hidden. They're no different than Harper after they area able to worm their way back into power. If you're one of them then why not come out of your closet? Trying to pretend you're not is doing nothing but killing the possibility of debate. Your hardline Conservative prerequisites on Immigrants to Canada are selfish, biased, and unrealistic. And you half cleverly remain ambiguous on just what it means, and so it is meaningless. There's no potential immigrant on the face of the earth who isn't qualified for 'some' job in Canada. What you're really trying to say is that for you to welcome them they have to be pure white Christians. What else could it be that makes Conservatives selective? And what is this idea of 'integrating' all about? Does that mean they turn into Christians? Does it mean they abandon their native language? Does it mean they abandon their ethnic traditions? Does it mean that they can't celebrate Chinese New Year or Ramadan? Does it mean that they have to wear clothing that most Canadians wear? What is it that you are trying to say they can and can't do when they come to Canada? WHAT? I think that what you're talking about is only in the minds of Conservatives and other bigots? WHAT? Can you answer that for me and prove that you're not a bigot and a racist? Trudeau doesn't preen, that's ridiculous. What do you have against men who are physically fit and good looking?

I am definitely leftist and will probably be seen as extreme leftist by many. The Trump Nazi regime of the US has moved Canadians further right too. Scheer and the Cons will follow suit because they are likely aware of how it works so well with a large portion of the people. Hitler used the tactic on his people by demonizing the Jews, Trump uses it by demonizing people of colour and non-Christians. Scheer and his Conservatives are already definitely onto Muslims and Syrians or other people of the region. Deficit 'for' maintenance and upgrading? Whst's that? Are you trying to say they aren't looking after their infrastructure as well as Canada? If so you're right. But how do you think we should limit access for some road or roads? I don't read only from Liberal talking notes, I read that which would likely be seen by you to be much more leftist. Richard Wolfe, Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, and a few more of their like. I'm very much a supporter of the Scandinavian model of socially responsible capitalism. If you don't understand what that is, just ask me. That which is "Isn't", is anything similar to US style greedy capitalism or that which the CPC would like to make Canada over to becoming. The CPC and Scheer being in cahoots with the Fraser Institute which wants to destroy our health care system, should be a beg enough hint to make Canadians suspicous!

I was starting to believe your plea to be accepted as apolitical, or whatever you were trying to do, right up until you called Trudeau goofy. Then I suddenly realized that you are a closet CPC supporter who showed his nose by resorting to his need to get a cheap shot at Trudeau. He's not goofy but I'm quite interested in hearing more of your condemnation of him and the Liberal party on sensible grounds. I don't pretend, I soundly hate the CPC because they represent greed, extreme rightist capitalism, and far too much in common with US ideals. My support of the LPC is in synce with keeping Canada in the ten most happiest countries in the world. That's what I call socially responsible capitalism. And unlike you, I could never support the CPC because they are always very clear about being opposed to everything and everything to do with social responsibiility. As to me libelling somebody with charges of racism: I believe I usually get it right because the CPC immigration policy is always tainted with racist bias toward those we allow into our country as immigrants. The CPC, and almost certainly you, only want pure white Xtians. I see that as racism but I'm willing to hear your argument to say it isn't. I'm not afraid of my position of being in favour of helping the people in the most need come to Canada. I know it's not popular and the popular opinionn of the CPC and Trump is to exclude Muslims and people with a shade darker skin than pure whities. But I won't be cowed to change my mind for political expediency. So yeah, the CPC will likely be able to draw on the same lowlife support Trump has capitalized on in that country! And if the Liberals go down for those and my high ideals, then I'll go down with the ship. I was raised to be a decent human being.

What, pray tell, is the significance of them whacking Khashoggi when they've already whacked thousands of their own women in public for showing an ankle? Canadians need to rise above the US bullshit peddling that's nothing more than their sick domestic politics. I mean really, what's Khashoggi compared to a million or so Iraqi victims in a phony war that was based on lies? Didn't those peope end up just as dead and ended up in more pieces than Khashoggi? Aren't American values strange! Pretending to cry over Khashoggi for political expedience? I must have missed something? Maybe a Canadian Conservative will have an answer for it already ginned up and ready to go?

To get this thread back on topic: Yes, humans are responsible for climate change. Experts in the field are almost unanimous on that fact. Or rather, they are unanimous and those that don't agree aren't experts. They're paid shills of Big Oil or some other interest group that finds profit in lying. I've purposely made it unambiguous so that the denialists will recognize it as a challenge. It's a challenge to Conservative party supporters who don't believe in manmade climate change but like to pretend they do because they don't think it's a safe platform for the Con party..

Your ideas and choice of words is difficult to understand. I think it's because you don't want to come right out and say that you don't want people of colour and people of other religious faiths other than Xtian coming to Canada. Something about international rules? Sovereignty and exceptionalism should exist? Something about open borders because of cultural values? What's that all about? That which the CPC wants is few or no immigrants to Canada and then if we must suffer a few then they have to be pure white and Xtian. Isn't that pretty well what you were trying to say, but didn't want to be so direct about it? The trouble is, they aren't the people in need, you know, because they're not in the countries Nato has bombed. Trudeau understands that but that's a poor reason to hate him. Scheer understands that it can't be all pure white Xtians, but isn't that a poor reason to love him for it?

If you're not a CPC voter or supporter then what extreme right political party 'do' you support? A local Neo-Nazi party? Yes, I support the LPC. I used to support the NDP but they insisted in supporting the fascism of the CPC in order to serve their interests. So if you criticize me for being a Liberal, then what party would you suggest I should support? I think you must be either a closet CPC supporter or something more extreme right. You sure do seem to hate the top ten happiest countries in the world, and Canada taking a place among them. Why do you hate immigrants? Or do you just hate those who are Muslim or have a shade darker skin than you? People of the Muslim faith don't want to harm others. But there are a few individual exceptions with people who have had their entire families slaughtered under Canada's/Nato's bombs. Can't we just try to screen those few out? I mean, they're not to blame of course but I guess Conservative hate has a point with victims being dangerous. No matter that the US had it coming on 911 because of what it did to a million or more Iraqi people, based on lies.

Why should Canada be selling arms to anybody? Is there a reason other than profiting on killing people in foreign lands? In the case of selling to the evil Saudis it's just useful to the US intentions of starting a war with Iran and destroying that country too. But now that the window of opportunity for the US to bring the entire ME into it's sphere of influence, Russia and China have slammed that window shut and won't allow it to happen. The U.S. understands what M.A.D. means, and we're back to another Cold War. But it's very encouraging so far because Russia/Putin have been able to save Syria's people from another US bombing campaign from 30,000 feet. Syria is out of bounds to further Nato aggression and the US appears to be stalled for a long time at 40 wars of aggression.

You're only telling me more about 'you' and your exclusionist hateful priorities. You obviously don't understand Social responsibility in government' because you have no feeling within you for the rest of our fellow Canadians. Tell us more about how you would prefer US style greedy capitalism of the style their psychopath president has brought them. And how about telling a bit about Scheer's plan to make Canada more like the US, which you praise and slobber over so much. We know all about how the Cons need to lie about their agenda until they can get back in power.

directly contradicts Which tells me that you're resorting to disinformation invented by Conservatives who hate all immigrants. Especially when you would provide a link that pretends that 70% of Canadians hate Syrians because they are mostly Muslims. Is there no end to your evil. Can't you even understand that a country the size of Canada with 35 million people is comparable to China in land area can hold a billion and a half? Wake up and don't be so exclusionist on the kind of people we accept. This isn't the US south in the 60's where people 'you' don't like are forced to drink out of separate drinking fountains. Shame on you. If you're a Conservative or conservative supporter then you're teaching me a lot about what conservatives truly are. And it has a pretty nasty stench coming off of it. Take your hating somewhere else. This thread is supposed to be about which fascist, racist, neo-nazi the Cons can pull out the sewer to run against Trudeau. Import one from the US, they're awash in KKK'ers who will fit right in the Con agenda.

The Conservatives get us into this kind of deals with the devil for the money they can make out of them. Then they scream bloody murder when the Liberals want to be honourable and get Canada out of them. The Conservative have no conscience when it comes to evil empires slaughtering people in foreign lands. The lives of people aren't as important to them as the profit they can make off the pro-war death insustry. Just ask one!

Your continuously referring to immigration as bad for Canada is just more evidence of your lack of understanding of our need to be socially responsible and bring in more immigrants and faster. And also, we must be totally colour blind and make religioius sky fairy beliefs not a consideration. You don't agree with me on that and so I'm pointing out how we differ. I'm also pointing out rightists and extreme right fascists, as has become the norm in the US, is not good for Canada. You seem to think it's something we would want to emulate. I see Justin as the anti-Trump and little Scheer as just another Trump far right fascist. Would you like to talk about Justin or do you insist on taking this thread more off topic? As I said, Justin could become as great as Jean Chretien. You wouldn't understand that as greatness because you likely haven't even got over how Jean kept us out of Iraq, while the Conservative cried out their woes in support of the US's phony war. I'm just not going to entertain any of your notions of immigrants not being allowed into our country! It makes me feel dirty to even suspect a Canadian could be so cruel and selfish! Could it be that you're a Christian? There must be something I'm missing in your personal makeup that makes us so different?

I know a lot about you already and you tell me more each time you post something. Now you're telling me that you want Canada to be more like Australia in some ways. But Austrailia takes a position more like Trump on emigrants while Canada and Canadians take a very different position. We see our social responsibility of taking in people from other countries who are in desperate need, while you don't accept that sort of ideology because you are a Conservative, or a conservative. I can't put your concerns of GDP over those more human concerns which I've tried to impress on you. What can I say? We're different. If you want to make a point on how you care about people in need then do so. Maybe you just find it difficult to express yourself in that respect and find it much easier to think of profit or for profit government. Granted, your profit and loss statement is important and profit is important to Canada too, but people are also important, regardless of whether they are pure white like you. maybe we should just stick to how you hate Trudeau? After all, I've been pretty straight forward on how I hate conservative greed and their way of disrespecting people in need who want to emigrate to our huge country of opportunity which has so few people.

I'm happy to be the socialist/commie for you; it's something for you to work with. The topic is about Justin Trudeau and how 'you' people think he's Canada's worst ever. Do you subscribe to that position I'm suggesting that Justin is becoming one of Canada's greatest and may even have the resolve to be as great as Jean Chretien, who kept Canada out of the US phony war of aggression against Iraq. I don't see how any of that can fit the definition of being an 'as hominem' argument?? What do you want to say? Do you wish that Canada could be removed from the list of the ten happiest countries in the world? All ten are quite socialist/commie leaning aren't they! I think Trudeau wants to move us up higher on that list. Why not? .https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/16/these-are-the-top-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world.html Accepting more emigrants and people in need into our Canada is certainly the way of the future. Can't you see the necessity as world population grows? Will it cut into profit that much? Or is it more about the shade of those people's skin that makes you so against the whole idea? That's the schtick with people who support Trump you know. They don't even pretend it's not!

Conservatives don't believe in manmade climate change and so there's never going to be much of a discussion on the topic until their dragged out of their closets. The Cons need to hear some support for their denial before they will try to make it one of their party platforms. Til that happens Scheer and his accomplices will only give us subtle hints that the scientific community is wrong. Maybe another way of putting it would be to understand how AGW is so inconsistent with Conservative belief in the 6000 year old earth?

If I understood economic history?? We'll take it right back to the Sykes/Picot agreement if you like. Maybe that would be a good way to start to educate you on who the bad guys are in this world? Or we could talk about the US's 40 wars of aggression since WW2 alone? America, that country you seem to want Canada to emulate! Australia? Why not New Zealand, which makes the list of ten? And differs from Australia where they hate their aboriginal people, and can be compared in that respect to N.Z. where they love their Maoris and honour them. Liberals like me don't think the same way as you Conservatives. That's just a basic understanding you're going to have to come to terms with. Think of me in the extreme as a socialist or a communist, to get yourself on the right track to begin with. Then we'll work on getting it more correct. I'll think of you as an extreme right fascism supporter and you can try to explain to me why you think you're not one!

Let's dispense with your bigotted comments on migration to Sweden and Denmark. The simple answer is that they are choosing to take people in need into their countries and are not changing their policies because of the inconveniences they suffer. That is the first thing you need to understand if we are ever going to understand each other. I believe that they're doing the right thing and you don't because you have no feelings for the migrants in need. But never mind, they are still on the list of the happiest countries in the world. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/16/these-are-the-top-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world.html I know that your Conservative priorities have nothing to do with helping people in need, it's all about money with you, but you have to understand that it's different with me, and you'll have to accept that. This is why I'm a Liberal supporter and you're a Conservative supporter. As to the situation in the US currently, your defense of that dog and pony show under the Trump regime, is just too surreal to warrant my attention right now. How shameful that half the country, the racist southern half basically, support that monster!

I suspect that you'r much more concerned with profiting off the backs of ordinary Canadians than your interested in socially responsible capitalism. Here's a list of the world's ten happiest countries. There's a similarity in all ten's governments and a markable difference from US style, extreme right greedy capitalism. The sort of capitalism you are having wet dreams about bringing to Canada. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/16/these-are-the-top-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world.html Let's explore the similarities in the Trudeau agenda to those other nine examples of good government. And then let's look at the many ways that sort of government turns the stomachs of the Conservative. Don't be afraid to publicly criticize that which you hate and what those countries represent.