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So you think that because some Democrat leaders wanted to inspect a so-called Alligator Alcatraz to see how people were being treated, it was a stunt?? That shows the complete inhumane and warped way you think. You are unable to think without extreme bias about anything. You are a cult follower.

No, I think you are making this up. The law likely says that a person can be deported, but probably give the power to authorities in charge to make that decision. I doubt the law says a permanent resident who committed an offence and in his case is following the rules of probation, must be deported. You are saying Biden broke the law. That is false. Can you give a government website that states it was mandatory that he be deported?

Right! You will never be shown how the place is really run. Advance notice is required so they can plan to give the visitor a good impression, not the actual way it's run.

We live in a world where often all we have to go by is eye witness accounts. There are many things that Trump is doing that should raise questions about who you can believe. You have to decide yourself. If you think the idea of sending migrants to CECOT was right then you have a moral problem and may not be able to judge anything.

Some of them had misdemeanors, some had VISA issues, some decades old immigration issues. That kind of thing doesn't warrant being arrested and locked in prison for weeks or months and families unable to get through the ICE bureaucracy and lawyers. "Cynthia Olivera — born in Mississauga, Ont., but living in Los Angeles — was arrested last month when she and her husband went to an immigration office to complete an interview for her U.S. citizenship application. Paula Callejas of Montreal was in the process of finalizing a work visa when she was arrested for a misdemeanor — and then transferred to an ICE facility. Olivera and Callejas's families told CBC News the weeks since their arrests have been a nightmare, filled with phone calls to lawyers and ICE bureaucracy. Paula Callejas from Montreal has been in ICE custody for more than three months after being charged with a misdemeanor in Florida, her family says. (Name withheld) "We're completely concerned for her overall safety and health," a member of Callejas's immediate family told CBC News. CBC is not naming the family member over concerns they may have their own immigration issues while travelling to the U.S. Olivera's husband, Frank Olvera, said what was meant to be a routine immigration interview ended up feeling more like a trap. "We were flabbergasted," Olvera told CBC News. "No due process." Olivera, 45, moved to the U.S. with her family when she was young, her husband said. The two met in the '90s, married (she kept her last name), had children together and have been living in L.A. since then. "About two years ago, since the children are now older, we decided to hire a lawyer and start the immigration process the correct way," Olvera said. Decades-old U.S. entry refusal But instead of completing the interview, Olivera was arrested by immigration officials over a decades-old border issue, her husband said. "They lured us into our immigration appointment … took my wife, put her in handcuffs, swept her away," he said." Canadians in ICE detention centres left in legal limbo as families try to secure release | CBC News

Because they were either violent criminals or they were near violent criminals that got picked up. This article from CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) show how you are lying. " Relatives of Canadians detained by ICE in the United States say they're furious and frustrated by the treatment of their loved ones and the battles they're having to fight for even the most basic information. Global Affairs Canada said it's aware of roughly 55 Canadians in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody, though it said that the numbers can fluctuate. Cynthia Olivera — born in Mississauga, Ont., but living in Los Angeles — was arrested last month when she and her husband went to an immigration office to complete an interview for her U.S. citizenship application. Paula Callejas of Montreal was in the process of finalizing a work visa when she was arrested for a misdemeanor — and then transferred to an ICE facility. Olivera and Callejas's families told CBC News the weeks since their arrests have been a nightmare, filled with phone calls to lawyers and ICE bureaucracy. Paula Callejas from Montreal has been in ICE custody for more than three months after being charged with a misdemeanor in Florida, her family says. (Name withheld) "We're completely concerned for her overall safety and health," a member of Callejas's immediate family told CBC News. CBC is not naming the family member over concerns they may have their own immigration issues while travelling to the U.S. Olivera's husband, Frank Olvera, said what was meant to be a routine immigration interview ended up feeling more like a trap. "We were flabbergasted," Olvera told CBC News. "No due process." Olivera, 45, moved to the U.S. with her family when she was young, her husband said. The two met in the '90s, married (she kept her last name), had children together and have been living in L.A. since then. "About two years ago, since the children are now older, we decided to hire a lawyer and start the immigration process the correct way," Olvera said. Decades-old U.S. entry refusal But instead of completing the interview, Olivera was arrested by immigration officials over a decades-old border issue, her husband said. "They lured us into our immigration appointment … took my wife, put her in handcuffs, swept her away," he said. "They didn't even give us an opportunity at the interview. Nothing." Olvera said that in 1999, Olivera had travelled to Canada to attend her mother's funeral and was initially denied re-entry because she was pregnant and told border agents she planned to have the child in the U.S. Olivera is now being held by ICE at a detention centre in El Paso, Texas, Olvera said. Canadian who died in ICE custody lived a 'simple life,' his lawyer says Boxer Julio César Chávez Jr. arrested by ICE, to be deported to Mexico, officials say Freed Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil seizes new public platform amid efforts to deport him Earlier this year, U.S. President Donald Trump issued a raft of executive orders that aim to clamp down on illegal immigration and advance his goal of overseeing the largest deportation operation in American history. Stephen Miller, White House deputy chief of staff and the main architect of Trump's immigration policies, has pushed ICE to aim for at least 3,000 arrests a day, up from about 650 a day during the first five months of Trump's second term." Canadians in ICE detention centres left in legal limbo as families try to secure release | CBC News

Because they were either violent criminals or they were near violent criminals that got picked up. Again this is a lie. "Over 55 Canadians detained by ICE in U.S. due to immigration violations and minor criminal offenses in 2025. Johnny Noviello, a Canadian, died in ICE custody on June 23, prompting scrutiny of detention conditions."

Why should I concern myself with these rights? There is zero evidence they have been violated. Every supposed point you've made in this thread has been thoroughly debunked. You are just inventing scenarios and asking they are true. False. I already gave you the account of two people who were sent to Alligator Alcatraz. Go back and read it. Doesn't sound like they respect human rights there. How would you like to receive one meal a day with maggots in it and shining lights 24 hours a day to prevent you from sleeping.

Assuming you are correct about this particular case, there are still two questions. Why are there over 55 Canadians imprisoned? I doubt if all these people are drug traffickers or a threat to society. Secondly, what kind of medical care does ICE give to people imprisoned? Do you understand the proper medications have to be given to people who require them? We still don't know if this guy died from lack of proper medical care, medications, or some kind of assault. You don't concern yourself about these kind of things. But they are human rights.

No there aren't. There are. Try googling it. He wasn't deported before when these things happened but he was given probation and he followed the conditions. If they wish to deport him now, why arrest him and put him in prison? Why not just give him written notice that he has to leave by a certain date? You have not explained why people have to be treated in such an uncivilized or harsh way. Makes me wonder how you treat other people?

We could have been shipping and selling far more oil and natural gas to Asia and Europe for years if the Liberals had allowed pipelines and not put their insane carbon caps on industry and carbon taxes. We would have had a much more prosperous country now. Remains to be seen what Carney will do about it.

And the law is such that a permanent resident has a right to stay. If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time? Because obviously there was no law that said he had to be told to leave and no law that says he had to leave. The Biden admin did not order him to leave. They obviously did not see a reason to do so. So what changed? The Trump admin came into government and decided every non-U.S. citizen who had a record of any kind must now be deported by the use of ICE; arrest, imprison and deport. Maybe the law gives Trump the power to deport any non-citizen if he so chooses, but that was not how the previous admin operated. He was here legally. But there are also Constitutional rights that non-citizens have that are not being respected. The way people are now being treated is something that never happened until in the last few months.

NO, I never made anything up. I posted the news article that said what I said. He is a legal permanent resident. In the past, he was convicted of something and was on probation. However, he did not lose his residency at that time and was not deported or ordered to leave. Only this year with the change to a Trump admin is he now arrested and imprisoned because Trump has changed everything and is arresting as many people as he can think of. That's the reason. Those are the facts which you deny.

He was on probation for that and was not ordered to leave the country. He has permanent residency status since 1991. So how could that be a violation of immigration law??

They were all given that! Its called CBP 1 app. No, there is nothing to show he was given written notice and time to move out of the country. That is fiction you made up. The CBP 1 app is for people applying to come INTO the country. It is not for the purpose of moving out of the country. "The free CBP One™ mobile application enables aliens without appropriate documents for admission who seek to travel to the United States through certain southwest border land ports of entry (POEs) the ability to submit information through a module within the application instead of coming directly to wait at a POE."

" “There's no water to take a bath, it's been four days since I've taken a bath,” Izquierdo said. Izquierdo, who was arrested on battery and assault with a deadly weapon, said detainees are fed once a day with food that has “maggots” in it and are not provided toothpaste. “They only brought a meal once a day and it has maggots, he added. “They never take of the lights for 24 hours. The mosquitoes are as big as elephants.” Another detainee, an unnamed Colombian man, said his mental health was deteriorating without access to his medication and Bible. “I'm on the edge of losing my mind. I've gone three days without taking my medicine," he told CBS. "It's impossible to sleep with this white light that's on all day." "They took the Bible I had and they said here there is no right to religion. And my Bible is the one thing that keeps my faith, and now I'm losing my faith," he added." "I don't know their motive for doing this, if it's a form of torture. A lot of us have our residency documents and we don't understand why we're here,” he added. Izquierdo is among those with permanent residency in the United States, his girlfriend told NBC Miami. But after he was arrested, Immigration and Customs Enforcement detained him to determine whether or not he should be deported. The charges he faces stem from a violent dispute with a tow company worker, wh was trying to repossess a jet ski, according to a police report seen by the outlet. Human rights activists, such as the ACLU, have denounced Alligator Alcatraz and raised concerns about the inhuman conditions detainees could potentially face. “This project dehumanizes people, strips them of their rights, and diverts public dollars from the services our communities need,” Bacardi Jackson, the executive director of the ACLU of Florida, said." ‘There is no water to take a bath’: Detainees describe conditions in Florida’s ‘Alligator Alcatraz’

No, they didn't flood the U.S. during Biden's presidency. They arrived over decades during Dem and Repub administrations. And no, this guy had not broken his probation. Regardless of that, people who are in the U.S. as permanent residences have the legal right to be there and should not be arrested and imprisoned. I already explained that if the admin wants to end some of their residencies, all they have to do is issue written notices ending their time in the U.S. and give them time to pack up and leave. That would be the civilized thing to do. But Trump wants to look like the tough guy to appeal to his MAGA base. So he categorizes everyone as dangerous criminals, which is not a fact. It's his style of politics, which you have swallowed.

So if you were just living in the U.S. as a permanent resident for 34 years and were on probation for some offence, but were following all the rules and behaving yourself, and the government decided they wanted to deport everyone like you, why would you think it is reasonable for them to arrest you and throw you in prison until you are forcefully deported? Why not treat people in a civilized manner and just give them a written notice that says their residency is being ended and they have a certain length of time to pack up and leave the country, say 60 days or by a certain date, which seems reasonable? What is the purpose of using masked and armed men to arrest someone and throw them in prison as if they just robbed a bank or killed someone? You need to think this over. Obviously the Trump admin is trying to scare everyone by treating them like s--t. There is no respect for human rights.

Read what I just said to gato. Treat people in a civil way. Grow up.

False. Justice requires evidence for a crime outstanding. If they want to now cancel his permanrnt residence status, they should not arrest him and throw him in prison. He could have been given a notice with time to pack up and leave the country. That would be the civilized way to act. Your supporting treating people like animals shows you are like a wild animal.

Of course it was illegal to arrest him. He was a permanent resident for 34 years. He was on probation but following the conditions of his probation. So he was arbitrarily arrested because of something in his past record, not his present behavior or situation. The legal system is completely non-existent to protect people from arbitrary arrest and detention. You are defending a totalitarian, corrupt system.

You are a liar. He was on probation and following the conditions of that. He was not selling drugs to anybody. That means you are lying. His criminal record is legally established. Why are you lying about it? Get a grip man!

To arrest and imprison people, you have to have evidence that they committed a serious enough crime. There was no evidence of anything. They arrest anybody. Nobody's has any rights.

That's reveals the level of intelligence of you, Gatomontes99, and Deluge. That's all you've got. Three of a kind.

So you have a convicted felon deciding who should be illegally seized, locked up and deported. You seriously think a convicted felon is doing a better job than Biden? Noviello received permanent residency status in 1991, that is 34 years ago and was on probation and not violating any condition of his probation. So he was illegally arrested and imprisoned where he died at age 49. Was he given his necessary medications for epilepsy? What interaction was there with others in his cell? What happens to convicted felons who hold permanent resident status? Can you guess?