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I am not saying the word hell might not appear in some place(s) in new versions, but it is removed from many places and changed to a different benign kind of word. Here is a few pages about how the modern versions destroyed the Lord's Prayer. quote from page 56 THREE Your Father, the Devil John 8:44 Or Our Father Which Art in Heaven Luke 11:2 Praying to a new god Praying to a new one, how is it done? Leave out the Son. Then change a few words, maybe every third, 'til the subject is blurred and the prayer is transferred? New Agers invoke "a father" (John 8:44), a Jesus and a spirit (II Corinthians 1 1:4). But they do not follow the formula prescribed by God of praying to "Our Father," in the name of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. New versions, as well, use formulas of their own, so that prayers take a path to 'the new god's' throne. Perhaps the most shocking discovery of my research was the admission by the New Age movement and esoteric community that there is, in fact, an occult version of the "Our Father" and that it has found its way into Luke 1 1 :2 in the new versions. YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL 57 KJV NIV, NASB, et al. Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth Give us day by day our daily bread And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive everyone that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil Luke 1 1 :2-4 Father hallowed be your name your kingdom come Give us each day our daily bread Forgive us our sins for we also forgive everyone who sins against us. And lead us not into temptation The bold sections on the left indicate the words and sections which have been removed from the prayer in all modem versions, such as the NIV, NASB, Living Bible, NRSV, Good News for Modern Man, New Century Version, The New American Bible, and The New Jerusalem Bible. They are the very words which distinguish "Our " Father "in heaven" who "delivers us from evil" from "your father the devil," who is "the god of. . .this present evil world." New Age Confession The use of the term 'Father' by occultists and New Agers, when addressing their god, should be no surprise since Satan's goal is to be "like the most High." A close examination of New Age writings reveals their plan to portray their 'preying' wolf in sheep's clothing. Alice Bailey instructs the movement's inner core as follows: The general public will regard it as a prayer to God transcendent. They will not recognize Him yet as immanent in his creation. 1 Alice Bailey unquote -New Age Bible Versions available online. type on search window New AGe Bible Versions archive.org

The word fornication is a specific sin meaning sex outside marriage between a man and woman. The words sexual immorality are words that God would hate because it is a very subjective term which could mean anything someone wants it to mean. Immorality does not mean a specific sin. It is whatever a person wants it to mean. It is widely used in secular humanism / politics but it is not used in the King James Bible The word sodomy is the same base word for sodomite. These words are used in several places in the KJV but changed in the NIV and other versions to temple prostitute which is entirely different. Temple prostitutes does not specifically refer to homosexuality. Also there is no such thing as "temple prostitutes" today.

This is from a couple pages of New Age Bible Versions starting on page 457: "The Epitaph of Philip Schaff "Ye shall conceive chaff' Isaiah 33:1 1 The 'New' American Standard Version Venom from the fangs of the viper filled the fountain pen of Phihp Schaff, staining every paragraph of his American Standard Version. The Westcott-Hort campaign to reframe the Greek and English bible sent Schaff, armed with his poison pen, to the front lines, as President of the American Old and New Testament Committees. The press had often protested his position, saying: We are at a loss to understand why such a man is permitted to be the big gun.i If the biography of Philip Schaff, available in standard encyclopedias, appeared on die back jacket of the new versions, as author biographical sketches often do, his trial for heresy and active participation in the kick-off meeting for the New Age movement, would be only a few of the numerous aspects of his life which would 458 • NEW AGE VERSIONS cause Christians to reject his translations. His colleagues from the University of Berlin called him, "[T]he theological mediator between East and West."2 Schaff chided Christians saying, "[T]hey vainly imagine that they possess the monopoly on truth. "3 As a result, "Shocked churchmen brought Schaff before the Pennsylvania Synod for heresy," notes one of his biographers.4 Schaffs own son admits, "[T]he people associated all manner of doctrinal evil with [him]" and referred to him as a "traitor."5 Referring to Schaffs theology, his son writes: [I]t was at that time considered by most [Christians] in the United States dangerous and by many heretical.6 The Living Bible and the 'New' American Standard Version^ which "sought to preserve" the ASV, are among the convoy carrying Schaffs deadly cargo forward to this generation.7 They have taken custody of Schaffs 30,000 alterations to the text, each one a clang in his battle cry: [T]he church must adjust her. . .doctrinal statements. . .to natural sciences These 'adjustments' disarm verses which defend miraculous or supernatural phenomenon, such as Christ's incarnation, deity, sinlessness, resurrection and ascension.9 A cartoon mummy of his ASV is preserved today in The Living Bible by Kenneth Taylor. Its text is a direct paraphrase of the work of Schaffs paring knife. What now is 'fed' to children was considered poison by Shaffs contemporaries. "Parents were warned against sending their children to Mercersburg," admits Schaffs son, so he moved on to teach at Union Theological Seminary in New York City.io It was, Schaff said: . . .so liberal as to allow for all my dissenting views on these and other points.n There in New York City, Schaff sought men, who shared what he called his "liberal outlook," for membership on his bible translation committee. 12 Rejected were those who believed in, what he called, "the moonshine theory of the inerrant apostolic autographs."i3 His monopoly of the translation later led committee members to admit THE EPITAPH OF PHILIP SCHAFF • 459 that the 30,000 changes from the KJV are, "indebted to Philip Schaff more than to all others put together. "14 Schaff, however, gives credit to one member, a Unitarian layman. (They deny the deity of Christ and the Trinity.) Of him Schaff said, "No one took a deeper interest in the revision." 15 This 'interest' is evidenced in the Arianism seen in Schaffs text and footnotes (i.e., John 9:38, Micah 5:2 et al.) and now abounding in all new versions unquote --New Age Bible Versions

Unfortunately we live in an age where many Christians are completely deceived by demonic /evil spirits and are full of pride. The biggest problem today in churches is pride along with apostasy. Pride is a serious sin. When you accuse me of pushing garbage, you prove you have a serious problem with pride and deception. The information I gave you is accurate and actually proves the corruption in modern versions. I have a fair amount of experience in dealing with pastors and Christians on this subject and what I am telling you is pride is a major problem. People's minds are closed by evil or demonic spirits. This was prophesied to be the case in the last days. It is a fact now. Not much I can do for people who do not want to know the truth.

You can find lots of information about the heretical editors in the book New Age Bible Versions which I told you how to find or buy. The words hell, fornication, and sodomy are removed or changed in modern versions to make them more palatable to the new age or modernist thinking and to sell bibles. There is lots of money to be made in selling the modern versions. They are corrupt.

If you want to know more about this, there is detailed book with extensive researched information called "New Age Bible Versions" by G. Riplinger. It is available to read online as well. Just type in a search window New Age Bible Versions archive.org and you should find it. Or you can order a copy from AV Publications website or some other used book website such as alibris.ca

It doesn't matter what other verses say. If some verses have been changed and corrupted, then that means the whole Bible cannot be trusted. You need to do some studying on this issue. God gave us only one Bible translation, not hundreds as we have today. Based on corrupt manuscripts and corrupt editors, heretics, and people who did not believe God preserved his word for 1,900 years.

There are several possible reason for these changes in modern versions. 1. Modern versions are based on a few corrupt manuscripts such as the corrupt Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts. The KJV is based on the age old Received Text which was used for almost 1,900 years. The modern versions use of corrupt manuscripts was only in the past 150 years or so. 2. The method modern version editors and translators used was often the dynamic equivalence method, which means they wrote the verses in how they think it should be worded. In other words in man's words, not God's wording. They are condemned by the verses in Revelation chapter 22 where the warning speaks about those who add or subtract from God's word. They have added and subtracted from God's word.

Again, the modern version removed "God was manifest in the flesh" and change it to "he who was revealed in the flesh". So God is removed from the verse. This is a very important verse in the Bible that has been changed and corrupted by modern versions. Removing the word God is a clear attack on the word of God.

In fact the NASV denies his deity by changing it from Son of God to son of man. A son of man does not show his deity. This should be quite obvious. Every man is a son of man. Only God is a Son of God as in the KJV.

No, I gave you a number of places and verses that show the corruption. Clearly the NASV change in John 9:35 from "Son of God" to "Son of man" in the NASV is a major change. It is obviously a denial that Christ is the Son of God which shows his deity. What other verses say does not change the fact that this is a major corruption.

8. The NASV denies that Christ is "Lord". 9. The NASV attacks our Lord's incarnation in 1 Timothy 3:16. God was manifest in the flesh. This is an important verse to prove Jesus is God corrupted in modern versions like the NASV. It is an important verse when dealing with cults like the JWs. 10. The NASV attacks the total inspiration of Scripture in 2 Timothy 3:16. 11. The NASV attacks our Lord's ascension in Luke 24:51. Conclusion The NASV entertains serious doubts about or Lord's divine Sonship of God, His incarnation and Lordship, His Divine goodness and His bodily resurrection. The NASV attacks the doctrine that salvation is exclusive to Christ alone. The NASV is a CORRUPT VERSION. - from the book Beyond Versions

This is the honest truth. I will try to give a brief summary of the problems. If you want the details, you will have to make a little effort yourself. 1. The NASV attacks the eternal preexistence of Christ by tampering with Micah 5:2 2. The NASV weakens the assertion of our Lord's virgin birth. 3. The NASV attack our Lord's divine goodness by deleting the word "good" from Matthew 19:16-17. 4. The NASV attacks our Lord's bodily resurrection in Luke 24:40. This important testimony to our Lord's physical resurrection is removed from the text and dismissed to the margin in some editions, and put in parenthesis in others, showing doubt of its authenticity. 5. The NASV attacks the salvation exclusive to Christ, in John 6:47 6. The NASV attacks Christ's sonship of God in John 6:69. 7. The NASV denies Christ's title "Son of God" in John 9:35. These are a few corruptions. There are more.

I am simply trying to help you. Honestly, I tried to copy so I could paste it, but it doesn't copy to the clipboard. It is some kind of pdf file that doesn't copy. I could get the book out (which is out of print and likely quite valuable) and sit here and try to type every letter and word from those pages. But why would you want to make it so difficult to show you when all you have to do is click on the link and read the pages I said? You have to be a little flexible and help yourself to. I went to the trouble of finding the link and posting it. But you want me to spend an hour typing out each word for you instead of you just clicking on it. That doesn't make much sense. Maybe you don't want to know. Beyond+Versions.pdf

Good question. You would be amazed when you find out. Check this out: Beyond+Versions.pdf If you want to know a little, go to chapter 8 page 73 in the book Beyond Versions. I'm not playing games my friend. It is very simple to go to the link and read it for yourself. Go to the pdf file and read pages 78 to 81 which gives clear examples from the New American Standard Version. I tried to copy it with the computer but it won't copy it. It is part of a pdf file that won't allow copying. It would be very difficult to try to read and write all the information letter by letter. Much easier if you could simply click on the link and read it. What is the problem with doing that? If you really want to know the truth just click on it and read it. Only takes a couple minutes.

Very much so. Here is a good place to start your investigation. The Calvary Pandan Bible Presbyterian Church has a website with books you can download and read on your smart phone or computer whenever you wish. Go to this link and download the book "Beyond Versions". Excellent book and good place to start. Books

You would be surprised how much I have learned over the past 40 years on the subject of the version. This has been my obsession for a long time. As for the NIV and the NASB, they are very corrupt versions. I am able to to point you in the direction that will be a real revelation. God is able to help us if we let him.

One of the consequences of believing in evolution instead of the Biblical account of creation in Genesis is that in programs one's mind to question the whole Bible. There can be no salvation if one does not have faith in Jesus Christ as the Bible describes him. Jesus performed many miracles and died for the sins of mankind and was raised from the dead. The problem is if one rejects the account in Genesis of creation in six days, how can they then say they believe the miracles in the gospels that Jesus performed and his resurrection from the dead. Both creation and the resurrection of Jesus were miracles that God did. One should accept the whole Bible because God inspired men to write it and there is nothing that God cannot do. It is not man's business to cherry pick what they will believe in the Bible. We might not understand all of it, but we should accept it all as true. I am referring to the King James Bible or Authorized Version, not the modern versions which are corrupt or counterfeit.

I don't think so. I know you don't believe much of what I tell you. But all you have to do is Google the subjects and do a little reading of articles on the subjects. They will tell you. In the introductory post I posted an article with a list of things that show how leftist secular humanism is the total opposite of what the Bible teaches. It is very clear. But you either didn't read it or your mind is locked in some other way of thinking and you just can't see it. I will pray that God opens your mind to the truth. But I don't think it is useful to go on with silly debates and meaningless one liners. Happy new year.

Jesus did not get involved in politics and political ideologies. Progressivism is a word that refers to secular humanist ideology. The Bible very clearly opposes that. "• The biblical view is that the human being has free will. The left-wing view — again, the view of all secular outlooks — is that human beings have no free will. Everything we do is determined by environment, genes, and the matter of which we are composed. Firing neurons, not free will, explain both murders and kindness." Left wing secular or progressivism ideology believes the above bold sentence. That is not what Jesus taught. People often try to put their own spin on what the Bible teaches and it is fairly easy to cherry pick a verse or two to support unbiblical ideologies.

Progressivism is a broad political philosophy. Nothing to do with what Jesus said "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you". You are mixing apples and oranges.

Can you give some examples of what he said?

Where did you get that idea? The definition of progressivism is: "Progressivism is a left-leaning political philosophy and reform movement that seeks to advance the human condition through social reform – primarily based on purported advancements in social organization, science, and technology." Jesus did not come to earth to be involved in or promote some kind of political agenda. He said clearly his kingdom is not of this world. The phrase "kingdom of God" is mentioned more than 80 times in the New Testament. "Ron Rhodes, Theology Professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, offers this bite-sized definition of the Kingdom of God: “God’s present spiritual reign over His people (Colossians 1:13) and Jesus’ future reign in the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20)." Jesus ministry on earth was not about politics or "progressivism". He came to earth to preach about the Kingdom of God. The gospel of John makes it clear to be part of Jesus' kingdom required faith in Jesus as the Savior. Progressivism is a left-leaning political ideology to do with this world's social system. Nothing to do with what Jesus talked about.

Read the article I posted. "What about Jesus’ healing ministry? While Jesus surely had compassion on the sick, His miracles had a bigger purpose than just helping the destitute and needy. They were intended to reveal His identity and confirm His message." Your language demonstrates your warped thinking.

Here is another article explaining Jesus was not a social justice warrior (or leftist). I know there are some churches or denominations that believe their mission is social justice but this is not the real purpose of a church. These churches misinterpret the Bible by taking one verse here or there and using them to support their view. This is often done by many cults and false teachers. " Jesus was no social justice warrior Posted by Jason Dulle under Historical Jesus, Social Jesus’ foremost mission was the salvation of sinners, not social justice. While the marginalized and oppressed tended to be the most receptive to Jesus’ message, his message was for all people because all people need to be saved. What about Jesus’ healing ministry? While Jesus surely had compassion on the sick, His miracles had a bigger purpose than just helping the destitute and needy. They were intended to reveal His identity and confirm His message. Jesus never raised money for the poor or went on a campaign to liberate the oppressed. If those things could be done, great, but that was not Jesus’ mission, and it’s not the church’s mission either. Our primary mission is to preach the gospel and call sinners to repentance. If we can help their lot in life along the way, all the better, but we must keep the Great Commission the central mission of the church. Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason recently wrote an article related to this topic. He debunks the idea the myth that Jesus was a social justice warrior championing the cause of the poor and oppressed. Check it out." Jesus was no social justice warrior | Thinking to Believe