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With the vaccine, the mandates, and health measures Canada has done a far better job than the UK and the U.S. Both of those places have had a far greater number of deaths per capita than Canada.
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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:
no it doesn't
also your claim was that the restrictions and mandates saved lives
now you claim it's the vaccines
that's moving the goalposts
Nonsense. Not moving any goalposts. The simple fact is vaccine mandates caused a large increase in the number of people getting vaccinated. Vaccination has proven to save many lives. It's simple logic. Mandates increased the number of vaccinated people and more vaccinated people means more lives are saved.
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9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
none of that says that government restrictions saved thousands of lives
which was your claim and has literally nothing to do with the stat you posted
It is a matter of simple logic or extrapolation. If the unvaccinated in the 80 plus age group died at 14 times the rate of vaccinated people in that age group and unvaccinated in the 70 to 79 age group died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in the 70 to 79 age group, I think it proves that the vaccine is saving thousands of lives.
"Without those shots and immunity gained from past infection, in fact, this current stage of the pandemic would have been far more lethal, notes one expert.
“No one wants to imagine what the scenario would have looked like if Omicron was at the beginning of the pandemic, just ripping through the population,” said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious-disease professor at McMaster University. “We probably would have seen mass deaths, we probably would have seen long-term care facilities get destroyed.”
I will go with what Public Health Ontario and people like Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious disease doctor at McMaster University say.
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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:
your facts don't say what they think you say
like when you tried to pretend that higher levels of hospitalizations for the unvaccinated
was proof vaccines reduced transmission of the virus
you don't have the slightest grasp of the facts you post, and jump to ridiculous conclusions as a result
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Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data.
In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said. Unquote
I accept the information from the data from Public Health Ontario.
Do you accept this information from Public Health Ontario?
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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
that's not proof
Some of the figures in the article came from Public Health Ontario. What's wrong with that?
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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
that's not proof
You replied back right away without even reading the article. What kind of proof do you want? The article has facts and figures. If you can't accept facts like that, what would satisfy you?
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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
prove it
"In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said.
And those are the age groups that account for eight in 10 deaths, now and before."
Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province
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This article explains a little of why vaccination has saved mass lives:
"Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data.
In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said."
Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province
Considering this it is hard to understand why some people would be so opposed to the mandates and health restrictions in this pandemic. Surely they could not want to see thousands of more people die when it has been avoided.
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37 minutes ago, myata said:
We need to find and post publicly the voting record for the unprecedented invocation of the authoritarian rule in Canada. If only for the posterity. It will want to know every name.
You realize you and others on here have not mentioned the fact that thousands of lives have been saved by the health restrictions and vaccine mandates. If it were not for those measures, thousands or perhaps tens of thousands more Canadians would have died from Covid. Would you prefer to allow unvaccinated nurses to work with patients in hospitals or unvaccinated long term care workers to work with old people in care homes? Those people are exceptionally vulnerable to dying from Covid. It is a fact that thousands died before we had vaccine and it was largely brought into care homes by workers who had been infected by Covid.
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
No i 'm not but that is what has happened for years, maybe not to truck drivers but criminals etc...not just your bank accounts everything, your house , your car, everything... you or we don't have property rights here in Canada.
Anyone should lose a lot of rights when they become a law-breaking seditionist, which is what is happening today.
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14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
Many of the people are hooligans? Really? Why isn't CTV able to find evidence of that? .
If you had been watching the news, you would have seen the frequent reports of harassment, threatened violence, intimidation of residents and anybody wearing a mask in Ottawa.
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1 hour ago, Goddess said:
Yes, like my sister, a previously healthy 45 year old who is now disabled for life and had an almost 0% chance of dying of covid.
You asked for a useful cite or reference on the benefits of Covid vaccination. This is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:
Canadian law is illegitimate
the Canadian government is illegitimate
this is holy war now
You bring disrespect to the Canadian Forces veterans. I'm sure none of them would agree with you.
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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:
when those laws strip people of their rights
than those laws should be broken
So you are an admitted law-breaker and an anarchist. Got it.
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The Finance Minister has issued a warning to all those truckers who are part of the occupations that they could lose their trucks because their corporate accounts could be frozen and their insurance suspended. Basically that would mean they will be out of business. But she added they should get their trucks out of there now which could mean there is still time to save their trucks and jobs. The implementation of the Emergency Act also gives the authorities the power to require tow truck operators to use their tow trucks to remove trucks or vehicles from the occupation. They will no longer have a choice to decline.
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16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
you want to prevent others from living their lives and making a living
so long as it's a tyrannical government doing it
so you pretending to care about people living their lives and making a living doesn't fool me
you just hate the Truckers and are willing to engage in the height of hypocrisy to attack them
The great majority of truckers (over 90%) are vaccinated and are doing their job. They are not using their trucks for illegal blockades and occupation, which is harming many other people. Many of these occupiers and blockaders are not truckers but are hooligans, thugs, and anarchists, from Canada and even from the U.S.
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The Finance Minister just announced the corporate accounts of trucks in the illegal blockades will be frozen and the insurance will be suspended. She says now is the time to get their trucks out of the blockades.
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Premier Kenney says he has the legal powers and doesn't support the Emergency Measure Act use. If he has the powers, why is the Coutts border crossing blockade still there? Why hasn't it come to an end? When will it end in Kenney's world? How long does he intend to allow the border to be shut?
The RCMP arrested eleven people and seized a pile of firearms at the Coutts blockade. These weapons could have been brought in because of the length of time this has dragged on. This is the danger of letting these occupations in Ottawa and border blockades drag on. It gives more time for extremists/terrorists to bring in weapons. That is why the sooner all this ends the better for everyone.
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4 minutes ago, West said:
Your contradicting yourself. You claim the vaccine stops transmission but then claim others fully vaccinated are at risk of covid from the unvaccinate. Please round that square for me
We've already been all through that. Being vaccinated does not prevent one from catching Covid. But it makes it a little less likely and most important helps prevent a vaccinated person from serious illness or death. How many times do we have to repeat that?
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Just now, Goddess said:
The "science" you have posted is in CBC and CTV articles, you haven't posted one medical study. Or discussed one medical study you have read - I think because you don't read them.
Also, the stuff you have posted is long out of date.
The science on the vaccine's efficacy, whether lockdowns work, whether masks work, the value or non-value of PCR testing, whether children should be vaccinated - this has all changed.
It would be pointless to work and spend time collecting the information because you have long proven you will not listen anyway. It would be a colossal waste of time.
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2 minutes ago, myata said:
Democracy is not someone in a robe professing the ultimate truth for everybody. Priests do that.
Democracy is not pushing a button to appoint this priest or that, who will profess the ultimate truth.
Democracy is keeping governments to doing their work, in its little box and never ever allowing it to get out and begin managing people. Because it never ends well. Some found it the hard way and simple as it sounds, I don't think we here ever got it. Or even tried.
Would you prefer to live in the dark ages when a third or half of Europe died by the black plague? You would have loved those days with no vaccines, no government, no masks, no social distancing measures, etc. etc. You would have been free to get the plague and die without interference by government.
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Just now, West said:
It's been encouraged but not required in most provinces. These vaccines have been proven for several decades. The covid shot was put together in less than a year, we were told it was safe only to give people blood clots and heart issues. That's why it can't be mandated... only you have to live with the adverse reactions of the vaccine.
Politicians should not interfere in your private medical decisions. This should be between yourself and your physician.
Politicians are supposed to show leadership and vaccination is the only way out of this pandemic. Thousands more people would die without widespread vaccinations.
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1 minute ago, Nexii said:
Actually for the most part, no. Only a few provinces required this (Ontario and NB) for school, and you could get out of it for medical or ideological reasons. Meaning basically if you were determined you didn't have to. Granted nearly everyone takes these vaccines because those viruses are very serious for kids
Some private schools such as reformed church schools are notorious for not vaccinating the kids. They also had serious illness spread in their schools These people were made up of a lot of Dutch immigrants and their descendents who oppose vaccination and think it is poison. Sad really.
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2 minutes ago, Goddess said:
The problem I have is that none of the explanations you give for stripping Canadians of their right to medical bodily autonomy - none - are based on science. They seem to be all based on irrational fears that go completely against what the science says.
Still in denial of the medical science.
Trucker's Convoy
in Federal Politics in Canada
Posted · Edited by blackbird
You are being ridiculous. The mandates required people in different jobs like health care to get vaccinated and the great majority did get vaccinated. This is common knowledge. But you can do a search on these topics yourself. Don't expect me to do everything for you. You just want to argue about every little thing. Obviously just being a stubborn denier.
The simple fact is far more people per million population in the U.S. died from Covid than in Canada. Nobody disputes that. Google it.