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5 minutes ago, West said:
TBH I'm not sure what your point is which is why I'm asking.
I see alot of nonsense from Christians online using Romans 12 to justify clear violations of human rights such as control over their own medical decision.
I'm not sure Jesus would be in favor of medical segregation.
Vaccination has been a normal requirement in public schools for much of the 20th century to protect kids from serious illnesses such as polio, TB, smallpox, whooping cough, measles, etc. It helps prevent kids from spreading it other kids they are in contact with. Millions of lives have been saved by vaccines over the years.
Romans Ch13, (not ch12) says God gave government authority over us. In the case of the pandemic government is acting in our interest to protect society from the virus. That's all there is to it.
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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
can't see why it would be any concern of yours
Well, that is a reasonable question. The answer is we are supposed to help each other. (love thy neighbour) That is why I am trying to help you. Arguing is pointless. Perhaps you can find a Bible-believing church in your area and have coffee and chat with the minister on a regular basis. If he is a good minister and believes the Bible, he should be a valuable resource for you.
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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:
the New Testament is simply a recording of the life & death of Jesus
same story in four versions
but it is actually contradictory
Matthew, Mark & Luke are the same, then John contradicts them
but the book itself is not supernatural, it's just a book
God is in not in a book
I can't see how you can call yourself a Christian and reject God's written revelation to man. That is an oxymoron.
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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:
you've said that already, I've already addressed it, see above
If you are a Christian, you need to read and believe the King James Bible.
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11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
you appoint yourself as spokesman for Christ
that is called Popery
but I am a Protestant
Ulster Scot
we don't follow Popes, nor scribes, nor pharisees
it's not in a book, God is real
Defending the truth of what God said in his written revelation is not popery. I actually attended the Free Presbyterian Church for a couple years but found them to be somewhat popish themselves, although they say they oppose popery. However, I did hear the gospel from the Free Presbyterian Church and God used them to save me. I even had the honour of meeting Dr. Paisley. The Bible is God's revelation to man. If you are a true Protestant Christian, you will believe the KING JAMES Bible is the only infallible authority to live by. Dr. Paisley would not approve of your extremism; neither would God approve. You are following your own ideas, not God who wrote the Bible. You need to do some studying.
10 minutes ago, West said:So you believe Christians should not be involved in social justice of any kind?
That's not what I said. Follow the laws and you can protest things legally and peacefully.
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10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
Jesus of Nazareth was the revolutionary who brought the Roman Empire down
I was an armed agent for the Canadian state
but Saul becomes Paul on the road to Damascus
I take up the cross against the godless tyrants of Canada
serene in my resolve, I assure you
No, Jesus was not a revolutionary. That is pure fiction. He did not bring down the Roman empire. That was not his purpose at all. He said his kingdom is not of this world. Taking up the cross against government is evil and anarchy. God never condoned anything like that. If you want to take up the cross for Christ, it must be in accordance with his word. That means quietly, secretly and in accordance with his Word. He did not condone using force or the sword against the authorities. In fact, Christ said to turn the other cheek. We are supposed to be obedient to authorities even if we disagree with them. True Christian character is when you accept things patiently and meekly that you don't agree with or don't like. I often failed in that, but that is what Christians are to do.
Carrying a cross to war as in the Crusades was not a Christian thing. People have used God to justify all kinds of evil in the world in history. The Roman Church was a huge offender in history. Consider the so-called Holy Roman Inquisition where they tortured and killed who they deemed as heretics for centuries.
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57 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:
I don't preach
I am but a simple pilgrim on the road to Calvary
no man nor office between me and the Almighty
Christ is with me, like a mountain at my back, no man can speak for the Lord
Well, you talk like an anarchist, not like a believer in Christ. Maybe you believe but you are badly misled and don't know the Bible. You need to read Romans ch13 and the New Testament. Give to God what is God's and give to Ceasar what is Ceasars. The Bible is opposed to breaking the law, violence, and anarchy. Blockading bridges, border crossings and streets is illegal and a crime.
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Anarchists and law-breakers will face the judgment of God.
"“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” Hebrews 9:27 KJV
There is a heaven and there is a hell; those are the only places one goes for eternity. There is no such thing as purgatory in the Bible. That is a man-made invention. Anybody putting their hope on paying for their evil behavior in purgatory is only fooling themselves. One needs to repent be born again.
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The mayor of Ottawa claimed he made a deal with the trucker and occupiers to leave some residential areas. What a joke. They are still there this morning. What alt reality is the mayor living in? Does he not realize he is dealing with anarchists and criminal minds?
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Just now, Dougie93 said:
even if the truckers are arrested
we veterans will keep coming
you will have to kill us all to stop us
The great majority of veterans do not support these illegal blockades and law-breaking. You talk like a terrorist. No honour or anything good about that.
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5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Canada was not shut down by the protests...there is far more economic impact from Covid restrictions...for almost two years !
Nobody said Canada was shut down. But blockades caused a huge loss of jobs, income, business in trade and have to be dealt with. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people suffer for nothing. Blockades are not legal and are not democratic protests. They are anarchy. Trumpsters should stay in their own country and not invade Canada with their criminals.
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Bring on the tear gas. Paris knows how to do it. Cleared them out in a hurry.
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4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
OK, but Canada is not shut down, despite rhetoric to the contrary. Government Covid measures have had a much greater impact than a blockaded bridge. How is that Gordie Howe International Bridge project going ? Is it blockade proof ?
Michigan is not shut down either...Detroit traffic map just shows a closed Ambassador bridge. The world is not ending for workers on either side of the border. Its a peaceful protest...is suppose to be a pain in the ass by design.
Wow! Thousands of people thrown out of work and countless businesses affected, but you say Canada is not shut down. That is the dumbest comment I've heard in a while. What reality do you live in? Guess you're not affected when your neighbour's house burns down; so you would be ok with it.
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29 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
The country is still in business. One bridge or border crossing does not/should not shut a country down.
25% of Canada's trade with the U.S. comes across the Ambassador bridge and about 400 million dollars of goods per day. It is one of the largest trade routes in the world. So a small group of protesters has had a huge effect on thousands of jobs and businesses.
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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:
You’re so full of assumptions about what horrors these people could commit. Of course none of it has happened. If police try to physically remove them, then some will be easier to remove than others. The police are the ones who are armed and in riot gear. They will be fine. It seems like you’re hoping for pushback so the cops can really sock it to ‘em.
Oh.. just ask the Ottawa police why they didn't clear them out. They said repeatedly they are concerned some of these occupiers could potentially be violent. That's why they haven't tried to remove them or done much. Where have you been hiding?
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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:
Certainly a better execution of organized, non-violent protest than seen in many other nations, including the USA. The current protester strategy has been effective because it is non-violent and appeals to a large minority of Canadians weary of Covid restrictions as well.
The economic impact is supposed to be very painful...to prompt change. It is a methodic, more peaceful approach than maybe looting and burning down cities.
The police still haven't done anything to remove the occupiers in Ottawa. They have become more entrenched and more determined. We will see how they react when they are removed by force in the coming days or weeks. I wouldn't count on all of them being peaceful. There may be a few seriously bad characters among them who are willing to burn down the house so to speak. Some have said they are willing to die for the cause.
We also don't know how the blockaders in southern Alberta will react when they are removed by force. They are a different kind of crowd than the Ambassador bridge crowd which were mainly city folks from the Windsor area. The Alberta crowd include as lot of red neck radicals kind of like Trumpsters from the deep south.
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On 2/11/2022 at 4:37 PM, West said:
Who said that? Offer the vaccines to the most at risk and let everyone else decide on what they want to put in their own body.
Pretty simple concept
Have you spread Covid to your family, parents, grandparents yet? Are they still alive? Grow up and think of others for a change. Pretty simple concept isn't it.
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On 2/11/2022 at 7:43 AM, TrudeauSucks said:
To stand in solidarity with those who are being forced to get vaccinated against their will, it's time for the rest of Canadians to boycott the Booster, and all future vaccines until the government respects individual rights.
We as protesters, must make it known, that we're boycotting vaccines until the government get rid of these mandates.
If people promote a widesprad boycott of Vaccines, prehaps Pfizer and Moderna will convince governments to end these mandates, since they don't want to scare away future customers.
If the Majority of Canadians refuse to take vaccines, until individual rights are protected, the power established will see their policies as contradictive.
Speak up and tell your friends to start protests that supports boycotting vaccines. We need boycotts against vaccine mandates.
This is a very unwise thing to say or promote because vaccination is the only way out of the pandemic. By promoting the idea people should not get vaccinated you may be costing other people to lose their lives unnecessarily or harm their health if they have not been vaccinated and catch Covid. Everyone can hold their own opinion, but if you oppose vaccination, it is better to keep it to yourself.
Another fact is that families have been greatly harmed and divided over differences on the issues related to the pandemic such as vaccination. People have lost friends. We all need to rethink this whole thing and find a way to get through it without causing division and harming relationships.
Since vaccination is the only way health authorities say we can get through this pandemic, the idea of promoting vaccination should be held as sacred. But we should go easy on anti-vaxxers in our personal relationships and families and those who oppose vaccination should restraint themselves in their comments and allow the world to get vaccinated.
How disagreements about COVID-19 have driven families, friends apart (msn.com)
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On 1/26/2022 at 7:00 PM, Queenmandy85 said:
In the last few years, we have witnessed a delamination of civil order. From the election of President Trump to the growth of populist politicians in Eastern Europe, from the January 6th events in Washington DC to the current truck convoy in Canada, vaccine resistance and climate skeptics. These are all symptoms of a deeper problem. A segment of the world's population are angry and they feel no one is listening. My question is what is the real source ot this anger. I don't know, but if we are to reverse the trend of unfocused anger and mistrust, we need to find out what it is.
Any suggestions?
You raise a very good point. I am listening and I agree with you.
The cause of the anger in the world may be a spiritual or Biblical one. That is, it may be a result of the fall of man or separation from God. We are all born with a sinful, corrupt nature according to what the Bible teaches. That may be at the root of the problem. Many bible believers and prophecy experts say we are in the last days. This anger in the world may be a sign that we are in the last days. When I say last days, I mean we may be in the days before Jesus Christ returns. The Bible speaks about very troubled times in the latter days.
"1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {false…: or, one who foments strife} 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; " 2 Timothy 3:1 KJV If what this passage says is true in the times we are living in, that would explain the anger in the world. Certainly anger would go with these faults.
Having stated the negative, the positive should be stated. It should also be mentioned there is still hope for those who believe in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. There is a bright future of joy and happiness.
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Just now, DogOnPorch said:
You're just another fascist, bud.
Why do you not care about other people in society? Inspired by the Devil?
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A criminologist from Ottawa said some of the radical anarchists have taken their children to the Ottawa occupation to use their children as human shields.
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1 minute ago, jbg said:
The truckers' demonstration started over the vaccination issue. I happen to be pro-vaxx. It later embraced lockdowns and masking. I am with the truckers on lockdowns and masking. To me, vaccinations are 30 minute affairs, three times over a five or six month period. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine over continuing dictatorial powers and restrictions.
The restrictions are to protect citizens. Why are you so self-centred?
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19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:
What low level of support, Can you give a cite? Here's one from me.
46% of Canadians sympathize with trucker convoy
Global News, Posted February 11, 2022An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy.
This sympathy has risen to 61 per cent particularly among Canadians aged 18 to 34, according to the poll.
Looks like pretty good support. it makes sense that Canadians wold feel this way. Turdeau has done nothing to try and calm the situation, only fanned the flames with his dismissive, divisive comments.
Canadians are taking note. (see poll)
Nonsense. The majority of Canadians oppose the illegal occupation of Ottawa and blockading of vital border and trade crossings. The protesters in Ottawa are a hard core group of anarchists who want to over throw the democratically-elected government. The more radical ones have been attracted there from everywhere, but they risk encountering serious consequences at some point.
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"13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:13, 14 KJV
Trucker's Convoy
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If a medical decision only effects yourself, then that is your decision. But in the case of a pandemic, when the virus is spread from person to person, then of course the is everyone's concern and government's responsibility to protect everyone.