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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Tribes give all sorts of reasons for fighting over land - religious, political, past atrocities etc. - but I would argue these are secondary. Our gods are worshipped and the enemy’s gods are smashed. The land itself is what the fight is really about.
What is your reason why Israel has a right to its land then? You are unclear and seem kind of confused about it.
Since you don't want to read any article more than a few sentences, it appears you will not be able to learn much about it.
Some posters on here spend their time just spitting out short shouts of nonsense or insults. That is the only reason they come on here. It makes them feel good. But it adds nothing to the general pool of knowledge or communication of knowledge. Sort of like a beer parlour brawl.
Of course the history behind the land of Israel is the central issue.
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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
A housekeeping point. Put quoted material from other authors in a quoted box so we can clearly see it’s theirs and not yours. For copyright reasons, keep the quote as brief as possible and add a link for us to read the rest so we don’t get accused of infringing their legal rights here.
Nonsense. I do put quotations marks around the material I quote or put the word quote at the beginning and unquote at the end. Have you not noticed that? Then followed by the source link.
There is no copyright infringement when it is not forbidden to quote. I always give the website link it came from which gives credit to the source. So there is no infringement of anything. Article posted on the internet are there for a purpose. The purpose being to broadcast to as many people as possible.
The other thing is: The purpose is to spread the article to as many people as possible. That is the reason the article is posted on the internet in the first place. So of course the more people it is given to the happier the originators are, especially when the link to its source is included, which I do. I am not running a business or receiving any compensation. So there is no infringement. Quit trying to silence others.
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58 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Try to make your points more concisely. Nobody is going to read a tedious and tendentious screed
If I just post a few points, then there would be no context. Without the context, you likely would not accept it. That's why it is sometimes necessary to spend 5 or 10 minutes to read something to get the full picture.
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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
Me no read that much.
Humans have been all over the place. My ancestors trekked across Africa, Asia and Europe. Can I claim anything along the way? The DNA record suggests many ancestors of modern Jews were German, French, Arab etc.
British Palestine is an example of what happens when a tsunami of foreigners arrives in your land; as any First Nations person can tell you, they tend to take over. This Balfour Declaration was like Pope Adrian allegedly handing over Ireland to England; it wasn’t his to give. For internal British political reasons, the governing authority of Palestine betrayed its duty of care to the people already there.
You haven't read the history of the area and say you don't read much. So it is impossible to have a rational conversation.
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2 hours ago, taxme said:
The Palestinian people appear to have had enough and are ready to fight win or lose.
The attack on Israel was by Hamas, a terrorist organization whose only purpose for being is to kill Israelis. The attack was not by the general population of Palestinians; it was by terrorists.
But if Palestinians are supporting them, that makes them complicit doesn't it. Israel is aiming to destroy the terrorists. Any country would have that right after what Hamas did.
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2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:
What are historic claims at this point? Do I have an historic claim to an acre of Ethiopia, given that all non-African humans hailed from that neck of the woods originally?
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This article is adapted from a Hebrew-language version of the same article, which ran earlier this year at the Israeli publication ICE.
Anti-Israel lies have taken such a strong hold in Western college campuses and throughout the media that basic historical truths about the Jewish people's undeniable right to the Land of Israel have been tossed aside and replaced with falsehoods that fuel conflict and ignorance.
These truths, drawn from ancient and modern history, archaeology, and even international and U.S. law, do not simply disprove the Palestinian propaganda depiction of Jewish usurpers who swooped in a century ago to steal Arab land. These truths demonstrate that the Jewish people have a long-standing and exclusive right to the Land of Israel.
Countless archaeological artifacts have been discovered confirming the Bible's descriptions of the ancient Kingdoms of Judea and Israel.
The "Siloam Inscription" is one of the most important of those archaeological discoveries. These are ancient Hebrew engravings on the wall of the Siloam tunnel, which transported water and was built during the reign of Hezekiah, the king of Judea, almost 2,800 years ago.
The Hebrew inscription describes the tunnel's construction, confirming the story of the mining of the Siloam tunnel as described in the Bible. It was unearthed in the ancient City of David in eastern Jerusalem.
The Siloam Inscription. This is a passage of inscribed text found in the Siloam tunnel which brings water from the Gihon Spring to the Pool of Siloam, located in the City of David in East Jerusalem neighborhood of Shiloah or Silwan. The inscription records the construction of the tunnel, which has been dated to the 8th century B.C.E. on the basis of the writing style.CULTURE CLUB/GETTY IMAGES
In the 1st century B.C.E., the Kingdom of Judea was conquered by the Roman Empire. There is no historical dispute that in both the early Roman period and the Greek period, most of the Jewish people lived in the Land of Israel.
After more than a century of Roman rule, the Jews rebelled against the Romans in the Great Revolt of 66 C.E. The Jewish revolt was a resounding failure, resulting in the destruction of the Second Temple. Still, even after the crushing military defeat, many Jews remained in the Land of Israel.
To celebrate their triumph over the Jews, the Romans erected the Arch of Titus, which depicts the scene of the Roman victory procession in Rome after the suppression of the Jewish revolt. This huge marble gate, which dates to the 1st century C.E., shows Roman soldiers hauling off holy vessels from the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, including the Menorah (which is today the official symbol of the State of Israel).
The author at the Arch of Titus in Rome, ItalyCOURTESY OF YAIR NETANYAHU
The Arch of Titus can still be found today in central Rome. Near the arch is the Colosseum, which was partially erected thanks to the money and treasure the Romans plundered from the Second Temple in Jerusalem.
Some Roman coins have also been discovered from this period bearing the inscription "Judaea conquered." The "Judaea Capta" coins were a special edition of Roman currency issued by the Roman Emperor Vespasian to celebrate the quelling of the Jewish rebellion by his son Titus.
One of the two ancient bronze coins, which according to Israel Antiquities Authority archaeologists were struck by the Roman procurator of Judea, Valerius Gratus, in the year 17/18 CE and recently were revealed in excavations beneath the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City are exposed to the media' on November 23, 2011 in Israel.LIOR MIZRAHI/GETTY IMAGES
The last Jewish revolt against the Romans, the Bar Kokhba revolt, broke out in 132 C.E. in response to harsher anti-Jewish persecution by the Roman Empire.
Following the suppression of the revolt, Emperor Hadrian decided to punish the Jews by changing the name of the province from "Judea" to "Palestine."
For the Romans, the name "Palestine" had nothing to do with modern-day Palestinians, who of course did not even remotely exist at the time. The Romans knew the coastal region of the Land of Israel as "Palestine," which was named after the ancient Philistine people who once inhabited the coastal territory of the Land of Israel.
The Philistines were part of the "sea people" who were said to have come from the island of Crete and invaded the eastern Mediterranean 3,200 years ago. The Philistines disappeared from the history books when the Assyrians conquered and exiled them some 700 years before the Roman period.
A 2019 DNA study of skeletons exhumed from Philistine tombs in the coastal Israeli cities of Ashdod and Ashkelon found that the Philistines come from a "southern European gene pool." In other words, the ancient Philistines have no genetic relation whatsoever to the modern Palestinian-Arabs.
The decision of Emperor Hadrian to change the name of the land to Palestine led to the use of that replacement name in the Roman Empire—and from there, to the various languages of the peoples of Europe.
After the Bar Kokhba revolt suppression, a large Jewish settlement remained in the Land of Israel for the next 600 years, throughout the first centuries of the Christian Byzantine period.
The Holy Land was largely emptied of Jews only after the Arab conquest in the 7th century C.E. The Arabs dispossessed the Jews of their farmland, leaving most of them with no choice but to leave. Despite this, the Jews maintained a continual presence in the four cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Tiberias, and Safed.
Throughout the Ottoman period in the Land of Israel, from 1517 to 1917 C.E., the land was an insignificant part of the Ottoman Empire. It was not even an Ottoman province in its own right, but only a part of the province of Syria. All the historical records of Europeans and Americans who visited the Holy Land during the Ottoman Empire period depicted an empty and abandoned land.
In the mid-19th century, for example, Mark Twain visited the Land of Israel. Twain described it as a "hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land."
The land began to develop again only with the start of the Jewish settlements after the establishment of the Zionist movement, initiating waves of Jewish immigration to the Holy Land.
Significant development came only after the conquest of the land by the British Empire in 1917. This period is when many Arabs from neighboring countries made their way into the Land of Israel as migrant workers. Interestingly, the most popular surnames in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza Strip today include "Hijazi" (a region in Saudi Arabia), "Al-Masri" (which means Egyptian in Arabic), and "Halabi" (which is the city of Aleppo in Syria in Arabic). Other examples abound.
Before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, the only people who called themselves "Palestinians" were the Jews. Many Zionist and Jewish organizations in Israel even incorporated the name Palestine into their names, such as the Zionist Jewish newspaper Palestine Post, which is now known as The Jerusalem Post.
After the end of World War I, the victorious powers gathered in the city of San Remo, Italy. There, it was decided that the new territories that France and Britain occupied from the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East would be managed as temporary mandates. Turkey officially ceded to Britain all its territory in the Middle East, including Palestine.
A mandate to rule the Land of Israel—the British Mandate for Palestine, from the ancient Roman name—was given to the British (among other areas) by the League of Nations, the organization that preceded the UN. A mandate was given for a limited time, with the aim of preparing the local people for eventual independence and self-rule. With the Mandate for Palestine, Britain officially reiterated all its commitments from the 1917 Balfour Declaration to a national home for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.
The Mandate for Palestine's founding document explicitly stated that a national home for the Jewish people would be established in its territory. It did not expressly mention a national home for any other people.
The Mandate documented the deep historical connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel, from biblical times to the present day. The territory designated for the British Mandate of Palestine included Transjordan (today, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan), Israel, Gaza, and Judea and Samaria (i.e., the West Bank).
The charter of the British Mandate for Palestine has been ratified by the British Parliament, the U.S. Congress, and the League of Nations. When the UN was established, it ratified all the Mandates of the League of Nations, including the British Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate, therefore, is a binding international treaty which has become part of international law, British law, and American law.
The international legal status of the Land of Israel has not changed since the British Mandate, except for Israel's formal renunciation of Transjordan as part of the 1994 peace treaty between Israel and Jordan.
After the declaration of Israeli independence in 1948, the Arab armies invaded with the aim of eliminating every Jew there. They failed in their mission, but the Jordanian army managed to conquer Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem (naming it the "West Bank"), and the Egyptian army seized the Gaza Strip.
The armistice line with the West Bank was, and still is, called the "Green Line." Crucially, this line constituted only a temporary ceasefire line, and attained no formal legal or political validity. Israel appealed to Jordan and Egypt after the 1948 invasion to designate the Green Line as an international border, but the Arab nations did not agree because they did not recognize Israel as a legitimate state at all.
Jews were forced to flee from their communities that fell on the "Arab side" of the Green Line. Immediately after the war, the Jordanian army blew up all the synagogues in the Old City of Jerusalem and chopped up Jewish gravestones to pave roads.
In the 1967 Six-Day War, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan tried again to destroy Israel. The State of Israel won the war and took the Golan Heights, Judea and Samaria (West Bank), the Sinai Peninsula, and the Gaza strip. All the territory occupied in the war (except for the Sinai) belongs to the Jewish people according to international law, in accordance with the Treaty of San Remo and the British Mandate for Palestine. Israel returned the whole of Sinai to Egypt in the peace treaty of 1979, and unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005.
Unfortunately, these facts have been replaced with propagandistic Palestinian lies, which have permeated Western media and academia alike. That narrative must be countered, and the best way to do so is with the cold, hard facts.
Yair Netanyahu is an Israeli radio host and columnist with a M.A. in government. He is the son of former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. unquote
Why the Jewish People Are the Rightful Owners of the Land of Israel | Opinion (newsweek.com)
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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
whereas it is your religion which bans hate and killing and revenge not mine.
The belief in the Trinity is a central doctrine held by almost all church denominations in the world. That means hundreds of million of people believe in the trinity. It is considered as a mystery and not explainable in human terms. That is what the Bible teaches.
"The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.
In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus’ baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are other examples of passages that present three distinct Persons in the Trinity.
3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also the other instances when Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.
4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).
5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply something our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.
6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.
The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.
The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. "What does the Bible teach about the Trinity? | GotQuestions.org
On the question of war:
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Many people make the mistake of reading what the Bible says in Exodus 20:13, “You shall not kill,” and then seeking to apply this command to war. However, the Hebrew word literally means “the intentional, premeditated killing of another person with malice; murder.” God often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13). God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war.
In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to “take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). Deuteronomy 20:16-17 declares, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” Obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).
Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20).
It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist. In a world filled with evil people, sometimes war is necessary to prevent even greater evil. If Hitler had not been defeated by World War II, how many more millions would have been killed? If the American Civil War had not been fought, how much longer would African-Americans have had to suffer as slaves?
War is a terrible thing. Some wars are more “just” than others, but war is always the result of sin (Romans 3:10-18). At the same time, Ecclesiastes 3:8 declares, “There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” In a world filled with sin, hatred, and evil (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Christians should not desire war, but neither are Christians to oppose the government God has placed in authority over them (Romans 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:17). The most important thing we can be doing in a time of war is to be praying for godly wisdom for our leaders, praying for the safety of our military, praying for quick resolution to conflicts, and praying for a minimum of casualties among civilians on both sides (Philippians 4:6-7)."What does the Bible say about war? | GotQuestions.org
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15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
So which one is it? The God or son of God? Me and my father were two different people not one lol.
Jesus is both. He is God as part of the trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit . He is also the Son of God. That is a basic Christian doctrine. The Trinity is taken on faith. The Trinity is one God, but made of three persons. Muslims often accuse Christians of worshipping three Gods, but that is not the doctrine of the Trinity. It is one God in three persons.
I have no interest in debating you over the war in Israel. You obviously came from the Arab world and have the view Israel is in the wrong and has no right to defend itself. I don't believe in killing of women and children either. But in wars often they do get killed. Israel says they are not targeting them. They are trying to eliminate Hamas, which hides among women and children.
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2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:
Make your facts from a non religious unbiased document, like I said.
He made a religious statement. Of course the answer comes from a religious context.
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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
No, my posts are about the killing of 4000 Palestinian civilians over 1500 of them being defenseless children. I have already condemned the killing of 1400 Israeli civilians by Hamas but criticism is one sided as pro-Israel powerful lobbyists suppress any criticism of Israel all over the world by intimidations, accusations and even banning individuals for expressing opposition to murderous acts by Israeli army.
So you claim to be a Christian and you support the killing of children in Gaza? SHAME ON YOU. You believe in love your neighbor and love your enemy and with your support for Israel you support their murderous actions against defenseless women and children in Gaza. Shame. People like you give bad fame to Christianity. Be answerable to your God and Christ later.
You clearly are avoiding the central fact. Hamas attacked Israel first and murdered at least 1,400 defenceless civilians and took about 200 hostages to Gaza. You ignore the fact Hamas attacked Israel first. Any country has a right to defend itself against terrorists. Why do you support terrorists?
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1 hour ago, eyeball said:
No it's clearly the same god just worshipped differently is all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Abrahamic_religions#:~:text=God is monotheistic,features%3A[3]
OK, here is a web page that shows the differences in two columns. On the left is Christianity and on the right is Islam.
Instead of me trying to write it out, it makes more sense to simply post the link. If you are interested you can take a look through it.
Christianity vs Islam - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
One of the basic differences I would consider important is Islam does not believe that Jesus Christ is God.
This is an essential belief in Christianity. He is the Son of God, the second person of the trinity.
Islam also does not believe in the fallen, corrupt nature of all humans and the need for everyone to be born again by faith in Jesus Christ in order to have their sins forgiven.
So whether one wants to call the god of Islam the same god as the God of Christianity really doesn't mean much. The beliefs systems are entirely different. According to the Christian Bible, the King James Version, there is no salvation apart from believing in Jesus Christ, which means believing he is the Son of God who was crucified for our sins and was raised from the dead. Read the gospel of John. " 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. " John 14:6 The only way to God is through His Son, Jesus Christ. That is not in Islam.
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17 minutes ago, eyeball said:
No it's clearly the same god just worshipped differently is all.
If that were true, then why is there this split between Islam and Christianity in the world? It is not as simple you are claiming. You make it sound like the differences are superficial or insignificant. I will reply later.
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6 minutes ago, eyeball said:
No it's clearly the same god just worshipped differently is all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Abrahamic_religions#:~:text=God is monotheistic,features%3A[3]
Since you seem to be sincerely trying to make a point on this subject, I will study that wikipedia article and reply to you. It is a fair question because most people do not know or study the reasons why they are different. So it is easy to incorrectly assume they are all similar.
There are some common roots and characteristics, but Islam has different beliefs that do not agree with Christianity or Christian theology. I will try to pinpoint some major differences.
There are people who do try to push the idea that it is the same god, but this idea is seriously misleading. It gives the idea that it doesn't matter which of three religions one follows. That is a fatal mistake.
Will say more after I examine this link you posted.
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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:
Or onus is on you to disprove it....and not using pro religion or christian websites and documents.
Nope. He made a false statement without anything to back it up.
I will therefore study this and give a reply with actual facts for you and him.I already gave a few facts in an above posting, but will give more concrete information.
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FIRST READING: As a spooked Europe cracks down on pro-Hamas rallies, Canada ... doesn't (msn.com)
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Canada is not alone among western nations in experiencing a recent wave of explicitly pro-Hamas rallies, but it is beginning to stand out for how little it’s done to address them.
The United Kingdom has pressed a wave of hate charges against anti-Israel demonstrators. France has pledged the deportation of non-citizens cheering on the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks on Israel. Germany has ordered a crackdown on pro-Hamas organizations. Even the United States — with its robust constitutional protections for free speech and freedom of assembly — has seen private groups push hard against pro-Hamas sentiments coming out of academia.
But Canada will soon be entering week two of the largest and most sustained pro-terror protests in its history without a single measurable sanction or consequence for the organizers.
In sharp contrast to the Freedom Convoy demonstrations last year, many of these pro-Hamas rallies are occurring without so much as an official condemnation from local authorities. Notable exceptions to this came from Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow, who called a pro-Palestinian rally “deplorable,” and Vancouver Mayor Ken Sim, who denounced rallies that celebrate terrorism."
Canada fails again.
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7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:
Poilievre’s approach to politics, one designed to dumb everything (and everyone) down to an elementary school level of analysis.
Actually Pierre is an excellent conservative leader. It get's right to the point and is not afraid to call a spade a spade. He knows how to hammer Trudeau and the Liberals. He is doing an excellent job. That's one reason he is ahead of Trudeau by a wide margin. Some think he is too much of an attack dog. But in politics that is how a leader of a party has to be if he wants to win. He is doing a great job and knows how to hammer Trudeau. He just has to keep it up and stick to the bread and butter issues.
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9 hours ago, eyeball said:
You all worship the same god.
People that don't know anything about it often say that. But it is actually completely false.
One would have to study a little theology to understand there are major differences between the religions to realize they are not the same God.
Islam believe in one unitary god called Allah.
Christianity believes in a God made up of three persons in one: God the Father, God the Son (who is Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit.
I am not sure about Islam, but the God of Christianity is a God who is personally knowable through God the Son, Jesus Christ.
Christianity's God sent His Son to earth to die for the sins of mankind and He rose from the dead.
Christianity's God gave mankind the Bible, which is God's revelation to mankind. It is completely different than the Quran, which is Islam's Holy Book. If you compared what the two say you would learn that the God of Christianity is totally different than Allah.
Do a search and see the vast differences.
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14 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
That said Jewish and Christian fundamentalists are not far behind if not worse.
That is a completely false claim.
Since you made the false claim, the onus is on you to prove it. Others should not have spend their time replying to such nonsense.
Comparing Judaism and Christianity to Islam is about as nonsensical as you could get.
Take a look at the Religion of Peace website and see how many people have been killed in the past week, month or year around the world. You cannot find anything like that in the Jewish or Christian fundamental belief groups.
Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth (thereligionofpeace.com)
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1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:
What does this mean?
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Judeo-Christian values are essentially another term for biblical values. Judaism and Christianity are both based on the Old Testament — its God, its Ten Commandments, its admonition to love one’s neighbor as oneself, to love God, to lead a holy life, etc. Christians also believe in the New Testament, but only an opponent of Christianity would argue that the New Testament negates the values of the Old.
Here they are:
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1. Objective moral standards come from God.
As I have written and spoken about in a PragerU video and elsewhere, if there is no God who declares murder wrong, murder can be subjectively wrong but not objectively wrong. So, while there can certainly be nonbelievers who hold murder, stealing and other actions wrong, without God, those are opinions, not moral facts. Without the God of the Bible, there are no moral facts.
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2. God judges our behavior, and we are therefore accountable to God for our behavior.
Outside of a religious worldview, there is no higher being to whom we are morally accountable.
3. Just as morality derives from God, so do rights.
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All men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” declares the Declaration of Independence.
4. The human being is uniquely precious.
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While the Bible repeatedly forbids cruel behavior to animals (cutting or tearing off the limb of a living animal to eat it as a means of preserving the rest of the animal, not allowing an animal a day of rest, not allowing an animal to eat while working in the field), only human beings are created in God’s image.
5. The world is based on a divine order, meaning divinely ordained distinctions.
Among these divine distinctions are God and man, man and woman, human and animal, good and evil, and nature and God.
6. Human beings are not basically good.
Therefore, the most important moral endeavor is making good people. Religious Jews and Christians understand that the greatest battle in life is with one’s nature. For the opponents of Judeo-Christian values, the greatest moral battle is not with one’s nature; it is with society (specifically, American society).
7. Precisely because we are not basically good, we must not trust our hearts to lead us to proper behavior.
The road to hell is paved with good hearts. Feelings make us human, but they cannot direct our lives. This alone divides the Bible-based from those on the left.
8. All human beings are created in God’s image.
Therefore, race is of no significance. We all emanate from Adam and Eve, whose race is never mentioned. That many religious people held racist views only testifies to the almost infinite ability of people to distort what is good.
9. Fear God, not man.
Fear of God is a foundation of morality. In the Book of Exodus, Egyptian midwives were ordered by the Pharaoh to kill all newborn Hebrew boys. They disobeyed the divine king of Egypt. Why? Because “the midwives feared God.” In America today, more people fear the print, electronic and social media than fear God.
10. Human beings have free will.
In the secular world, there is no free will because all human behavior is attributed to genes
and environment. Only a religious worldview, which posits the existence of a divine soul — something independent of genes and environment — allows for free will.
11. Liberty.
America was founded on the belief that God wants us to be free. On the Liberty Bell is inscribed just one thing (aside from the name of the company that manufactured the bell). It is a verse from the Bible: “Proclaim Liberty Throughout All the Land Unto All the Inhabitants thereof.”
The current assaults on personal liberty — unprecedented in American history — emanate from those who reject the Bible as their moral guide (including more than a few Jews and Christians who have joined the assault, having been indoctrinated with anti-religious views in high school and college).
When Judeo-Christian principles are abandoned, evil eventually ensues.
One doesn’t have to be a believer to acknowledge this. Many secular conservatives recognize that the end of religion in the West leads to moral chaos — which is exactly what we are witnessing today and exactly what we witnessed in Europe last century.
When Christianity died in Europe, we got communism, fascism and Nazism. What will we get in America if Christianity and Judeo-Christian values die?
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Dennis Prager: 11 Signs You Have Real Judeo-Christian Values (westernjournal.com)
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1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:
I am on no ones side but you seem to forget the other side is also losing men, women, children and babies too. By the counts the news is reporting, more then 3 times what Israel has suffered.
The terrorist organization Hamas is using Palestinians as human shields and hiding among them. This is the way they have always operated. Israel is targeting Hamas. Israel plans to destroy Hamas' operating centres, weapons, and underground tunnels and will not stop until they eliminate Hamas according to the IDF spokesman. Hamas may even be deliberately killing Palestinians because they will do anything.
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17 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
They do not allow slightest criticism of Israel.
You picked the worst time to criticize Israel because this is all about the terrorist organization Hamas attacking and killing around 1,200 innocent civilians, men, women, children and babies. Criticizing Israel since what happened on the Oct. 7th massacre and hostage taking has to be the dumbest thing in the world. But that is exactly what all the Palestinian protesters are doing now. It obviously looks like they support terrorists.
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24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
Why the hell you are twisting what he says. The truth is killing of civilians and terror did not start last Saturday. It started 75 years ago when European Jews under the protection of British moved to Palestine, terrorized the local people by attacks and killing civilians into leaving their homeland and this way they became a majority and the tragic event of last Saturday was a continuation or consequence of those actions.
The children and grandchildren of those who were terrorized or killed last century are today's Hamas terrorists and today's children of the parents killed by Israelis today will be tomorrow's Hamas terrorists attacking Israelis tomorrow. Terrorism today is more terrorism tomorrow,
You need to learn some history. Israel existed there several thousand years ago and was driven out of their land. It has been fought over by different groups ever since. Check history of Palestine on Wikipedia.
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59 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
No demonstration should be banned. This goes to the heart of democratic values most Canadians stand for. If you don't allow people demonstrate their anger peacefully or express their anger then they will have no choice but to resort to violence and terrorism and who can blame them.
These Palestinian demonstrators are supporting terrorism, which may be illegal in Canada because Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization. The supporters of Hamas should not be allowed to be in Canada.
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12 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
Why the hell you are twisting what he says. The truth is killing of civilians and terror did not start last Saturday. It started 75 years ago when European Jews under the protection of British moved to Palestine, terrorized the local people by attacks and killing civilians into leaving their homeland and this way they became a majority and the tragic event of last Saturday was a continuation or consequence of those actions.
The children and grandchildren of those who were terrorized or killed last century are today's Hamas terrorists and today's children of the parents killed by Israelis today will be tomorrow's Hamas terrorists attacking Israelis tomorrow. Terrorism today is more terrorism tomorrow,
5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:Israel has the power and the lobby and most of the media. Western leaders do not dare to be critical of Israelis. It is the war between a wolf and a lamb and supporting Israel is like supporting the wolf.
No, I think you are some kind of extremist. Israel is only defending itself. Self defence is a human right.
You posted endless comments about the brutal, unhumane Iran attacking it's citizens, particularly women. Yet you support the terrorist attacks against Israel, which are backed by the terror state of Iran. Isn't that a contradiction?
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