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May 19

3 minutes ago, User said:

Dude, your entire shtick is to make some absurd extreme argument

There is nothing absurd or extreme about what I am telling you.

What do you think about this?

"But it places Mary and the priest as mediators between Him and the believer, so that there is no way of access to Him except through them. He is usually presented either as a helpless babe in His mother’s arms or as a dead Christ upon a cross. In either case He is effectively removed as a strong, virile, living personality, or as a daily companion or Savior who hears and answers prayer. He has little to do with the problems of everyday life. All are urged to pray to Mary and the saints, who in turn present the prayers to Christ or to the Father and intercede for them."

So tell me how one can believe this Romanist system and at the same time believe in Christ alone as Savior?

May 19

Just now, User said:

Dude, your entire shtick is to make some absurd extreme argument, based on something not true, then say go read a book.

I quoted a few parts of the book that explain clearly what this all about. Did you even bother to read what I posted. You seem to reject anything that explains the problem. I met lots of people, even ministers, whose minds are completely closed to anything. That's the grip Satan has on many people nowadays.

May 19

4 minutes ago, User said:

Sure. I show you how Roman Catholics literally recite the Nicene Creed, and you can't refute that.

Sure but the Roman Church teaches a pile of anti-Biblical dogmas that oppose salvation by faith alone in Christ alone. You can't dispute that. All you have to do is read their catechism to see that.

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The Roman Church teaches the deity of Christ. But it places Mary and the priest as mediators between Him and the believer, so that there is no way of access to Him except through them. He is usually presented either as a helpless babe in His mother’s arms or as a dead Christ upon a cross. In either case He is effectively removed as a strong, virile, living personality, or as a daily companion or Savior who hears and answers prayer. He has little to do with the problems of everyday life. All are urged to pray to Mary and the saints, who in turn present the prayers to Christ or to the Father and intercede for them.

The Roman Church teaches the forgiveness of sin, but only as it is confessed to a priest and absolution is received from him. It places a human priesthood between the people and God, while the Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ ended forever the work of the priests, that Christ alone is now our High Priest, and that we are to go directly to God in prayer. The complete dependence of the Roman Church upon the priesthood as the heart of the system, while the New Testament teaches that the sacrificing priesthood was abolished and that the universal priesthood of believers was established in its place, means that the system is false at its very center. Though some liberal churchmen talk of an eventual union of the Protestant churches and the Roman Catholic Church, this point alone, apart from that of acknowledging the authority of the pope, which is the one point that Romanists insist upon above all others, should be sufficient to show how impossible any such union is.

Instead of the Scripture doctrine of salvation by grace through faith alone, the Roman Church substitutes a system of grace plus works, in which works have a larger place than faith, and in which one works long and hard for his salvation. In actual practice it has become a system of absolutism, claiming to admit souls to or exclude them from heaven as they meet or fail to meet its demands for confession and penance. Its saving truths are covered over with a mass of human inventions and throughout most of its ritual and practice they are not savingly presented. It gives such false and misleading answers to the crucial questions about the way of salvation that the large proportion of those who trust themselves to it fail to show by their lives that they have undergone a true spiritual change. unquote

from page 398

Roman Catholicism : Loraine Boettner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

May 19

8 hours ago, User said:

You seem to be creating yet another silly thread like the others you have been in with me and run away from where you insist on these absurd definitions of things and make false claims.

You are not making any sense. You are the one making false claims with nothing to back them up.

I gave you the link to an in depth book that answers everything about Roman Catholicism's teachings and what the Bible says.

Now you just dismiss anything I say. You sound more like you are indoctrinated with a diabolical cult mentality and are incapable of reading or understanding anything else.

If you are going to play the cult member, don't waste our time on here. Are you in some kind of cult or what?

May 19

6 minutes ago, User said:

What they say here is what they practice and do at Mass...

You haven't studied this subject at all; yet you make false claims endlessl y. Defending Romanism is like defending Satanism. I would suggest you do some studying.

I am more than happy to debate this with you, but you have presented nothing of any substance to support your claims.

The Romanist system is built on the claim that Peter was the first Pope, but there is no evidence of that in the Bible and there isn't even any evidence that the Apostle Peter was ever in Rome in spite of the Roman Church's claims.

May 19

36 minutes ago, User said:

This is all clearly outlined in their documentation; they even profess it.

Read the book "Roman Catholicism" and learn the facts.

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7 Tradition Condemned by the Scriptures

In New Testament times the Jews had a great body of tradition, the accumulation of centuries, which they gave precedence over Scripture. But Jesus never mentioned tradition except to condemn it and to warn against it. He rebuked the Pharisees with these words: “Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men. ... Ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your tradition... making void the word of God by your tradition” (Mark 7:8,9,13). “And he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition. ... Ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition. ... But in vain do they worship me, teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men” (Matthew 15:3,6,9).

Thus our Lord rebuked the Pharisees for doing precisely what the Church of Rome does today, for substituting a body of human teachings and making it equal to or even superior to the Word of God. In Jesus’ day traditionalism had become so perverse and powerful that it finally crucified Him. Religion was so blinded by its own distortions of the Word of God that it took the cross to expose it and upset it and to reveal the truth once more. In a similar way the Church of Rome is following a set of traditions that she has accumulated through the centuries, which by her own pronouncements she has elevated to equal authority with, or even to superiority over the Word of God. Her purpose, of course, is to justify doctrines and practices which have no basis in Scripture, or which are in violation of Scripture commands.

In order for Rome to defend her use of tradition, which admittedly came into use long after the New Testament was completed, it was necessary for her to assert that the authority of the church is superior to that of the Scriptures. Protestantism holds that the Scriptures are the infallible rule of faith and practice, and that the church as an institution and all believers must be governed by that authority. The Church of Rome, on the other hand, holds that she is the supreme authority in matters of faith and practice. She even attempts to say that the Roman Catholic Church produced the Bible, and that the pope as the vicar of Christ on earth has the right to legislate for the church. But such claims are absurd, because the New Testament was completed in the first century of the Christian era while the Roman Catholic Church with its distinctive features and its separate existence did not come into being until about four centuries later. Furthermore, the sin and corruption that have characterized the Roman Church, particularly during the Middle Ages when so many of her doctrines and practices originated, is proof that she is in no sense superior to the Bible but quite the contrary. But because of that teaching, the average Roman Catholic may not be particularly impressed when it is pointed out to him that the doctrines of purgatory, the mass, indulgences, penance, the use of images, etc., are not in Bible or even that they are contrary to the Bible. He believes these things, not because he has Scriptural authority for them, but because the church teaches them. This again shows how pernicious can be the use of tradition.

The reason that the Jews had departed from their Scriptures was that they accepted tradition and the decisions of their councils as their guide of faith. The Roman Church has made the same mistake. She, too, has compromised the truth of the Bible in order to follow tradition. When she began putting herself on a par with Scripture she found it impossible to stop there. The next step was to place herself above Scripture, and she has assumed that position ever since."

P.82 Roman Catholicism

May 19

15 minutes ago, User said:

They do, in fact, believe in Christ alone as their savior. It is in the Nicene Creed which they say at Mass.

What some people say means nothing when what they practice and teach in their catechisms, mass, and various sacraments contradicts such claims.

"Modernistic and liberal theology has so enervated many of the churches that they have little zeal left to propagate their faith. Let Protestantism return to its evangelical message and to the type of missionary zeal that governed the early Christians, and let Protestants challenge Rome to full and open debate regarding the distinctive doctrines that separate the two systems, and it will be seen that the one thing Rome does not want is public discussion. Rome prefers to assert her alleged “rights” and to have them accepted without too much question. But Protestantism has the truth, and can win this battle any time that it is willing to force the issue." -Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boettner on archive website.

May 19

20 minutes ago, User said:

Funny, I have gone to Catholic Mass, hung out with many Pro-Life Catholic folks at various organizations, spoken with Catholic Priests... but sure, I don't know anything about it.

They do, in fact, believe in Christ alone as their savior. It is in the Nicene Creed which they say at Mass.

This is all clearly outlined in their documentation; they even profess it. How were you a Catholic until age 35 and miss this?

You don't seem to have any knowledge about what the RC religion teaches or what it is all about. I have had Catholic friends in my youth and in adulthood too. When I was a Catholic in a small village I had a priest stay over at our house every Saturday night and he even brought a bishop who stayed and ate with us at our house one weekend.

But aside from that I have studied the religion in books by extremely knowledgeable authors. One book which you can read right now online is written by Loraine Boettner is an extremely detailed description of Rome's beliefs and comparison with the Bible. This might be the best book by a very knowledgeable theologian that you can find. It is called Roman Catholicism and is available to download as a pdf file so you can read it anytime.

Roman Catholicism : Loraine Boettner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

It is time to do some serious studying of this.

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Throughout history the Roman Church has sought to gain power from the state, but has never willingly relinquished power to the state. It has always resented paying taxes to the state, even on purely commercial properties that are owned and operated by it, and it has resented any laws requiring its priests to pay income taxes. The continual meddling of the Roman Church in politics, even to the extent of sponsoring Roman Catholic political parties where it is strong enough to do so (usually known as the “Christian Democratic” party, or a similar name, as in Italy, France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc.), has caused much resentment. That, no doubt, is also its plan for the United States if and when it becomes strong enough. Usually a political party is not instituted unless it can control at least one fourth of the total vote. How can any unprejudiced person face these facts and still not see the contrast between the two systems? unquote

In Canada, the Roman church has pretty well gained control of our political system through the Liberal Party. It is largely controlled through Quebec which is mainly RC.

The only thing is they can't impose their moral beliefs through the party. But they have a strong influence otherwise through the Liberal machine and by having RC Prime Ministers and MPs. This is how they gained power in Canada.

May 19

7 minutes ago, User said:

Do Roman Catholics accept Christ as their Lord and Savior? Yes. Are they Christians? Yes. Do they still believe in salvation through faith? Yes.

Clearly you don't know anything about it. They don't believe those things the way you think they do. One doesn't believe in Christ alone as his Savior and still believe in RC dogma and devoutly support and believe in the anti-Christ's system. The two just don't mix.

It is a diabolical system. One can't have it both ways. Repentance means renouncing an evil system and coming out of it.

I grew up as a Catholic and was one until about age 35. I have studied it quite a bit since that time and know what their system teaches and what the Bible teaches. Many so-called Protestants have abandoned the truths proclaimed in the Reformation. Much of Anglicanism, Luthernism etc. has become ecumenical and no longer stands for the truth. They believe the lies that Satan has been able to spread. This is why I told you to do some studying before replying, but you wouldn't. You are in great darkness my friend.

May 19

3 hours ago, User said:

You are taking what amounts to smaller doctrinal squabbles and using them to denounce an entire branch of Christianity

Seriously? What on earth are you trying to say?

Do you seriously think Romanism is Christianity?

Not sure what kind of churches you have attended but if they taught you Romanism is Christianity, they are extremely apostate and don't know anything about Romanism. Rome does not believe in or teach the true gospel of salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ, as taught in the Bible so how can it not be a salvation issue? Why do you think the Reformation was necessary?

I think you need to do some serious study before replying to this.

May 19

30 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A person does not need 'the middleman' (church of any denomination) to be in contact with the creator . . .

You're brainwashed by organized religion . . .

Correct. I never said one needed a church or denomination to be in contact with the Creator.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 King James Version (KJV)

Catholicism teaches you need the Roman church's priest's sacraments and Mary.

May 19

If one really believes the Bible and understands what Rome teaches versus what the Bible teaches, he will know that it is a false religion.

Since PM Carney is a devout follower of the false religion of Romanism, can his judgment be trusted in his position as PM?

Many of our PMs have also been a part of that religion, but many of them were probably not particularly devout. Maybe more nominal if they did not attend that church regularly and follow all of its practices. Many bad decisions have also been made down through the history of Canada since Confederation.

This article reveals why it is a false religion.

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The Truth About Roman Catholicism

by Marion H. Reynolds, Jr. (1919-1997)
©Fundamental Evangelistic Association

The Roman Catholic Church is by far the largest and wealthiest of all the so-called Christian denominations. It has always falsely claimed to be the only true Church—the Church which was founded by Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry. In recent generations, the Roman Catholic Church has embellished its image and attracted and held members by claiming to be the one Church that has never changed. However, all such claims are false. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church has done an about-face, actually boasting of the many changes it has instituted to meet the changing needs of Catholics and non-Catholics alike in this modern age

Is the Roman Catholic Church the one true Church? Are its past and present teachings and practices Scriptural? Of course not! How has the Roman Catholic Church changed through the centuries? How much has it changed in our lifetime? Have these changes been foundational or superficial? Where is the Roman Catholic Church headed today and in the future.

The purpose of this article is to turn the spotlight of truth upon Roman Catholicism, examining both its past history and present teachings. Our sincere desire is to be of help to Catholics, many of whom are well aware that, in recent years, their church has instituted many changes that have left them confused, uncertain, and deeply troubled. For the first time in their lives, many Catholics are raising serious questions about their Church, its leaders, its teachings and its practices. They now realize that their church is not united but divided over issues such as birth control, abortion, divorce, celibacy for priests, women clergy, gay clergy, Papal infallibility, prayer, worship, music, purgatory, confession, Marioltry and even the meaning of the Mass. The moral degeneracy and financial scandals that have rocked the Charismatic movement have also been exposed in the Roman Catholic Church, from the Vatican to the local parish. Confusion reigns supreme and Catholics who take their religion seriously don't know which way to turn.

A source of further confusion for many is the fact that for centuries Roman Catholics were taught that all those outside their membership were heretics to be shunned, persecuted or even killed. It was not until the middle of this century that the Roman Catholic Church modified and softened its stand by calling non-Catholics, "separated brethren." More recently, even that negative connotation has been eliminated. Today, Catholics are taught to consider "all Christians" to be "brothers and sisters in Christ."

However, these changing outward attitudes on the part of Roman Catholics toward non-Catholics and their increasing usage of evangelical terminology has unfortunately resulted in many evangelicals mistakenly believing that the basic false doctrines and heresies of Romanism have changed, something that simply is not true. Thus, both Catholics and non-Catholics alike should take a fresh look—a Biblical, historical and current look—at this world's largest, supposedly Christian denomination. If it is the one true Church, as it claims to be, then every believer in Christ should become a part of it. But if it is a false church, as it actually is, then all who truly believe the Bible and trust Jesus Christ as Saviour should separate from it, warn about it, and urge others to do likewise.

Through our extensive radio and literature ministries, it has been a great blessing to hear from many former Roman Catholics who have been delivered from the bondage of the false doctrines of Romanism. They experienced the new birth by faith in Jesus Christ alone and are now attempting to reach their Catholic loved ones and friends with the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. At the same time, it has been a real heartache to realize that so many non-Catholics who profess to know Christ as Saviour have been deceived by the new attitudes and evangelical vocabulary of Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church is now being accepted by many evangelicals as a sister church with only minor differences rather than a false church which preaches "another gospel"—a false gospel.

The Truth About the Roman Catholic Church is that it always has been and continues to be a false church. Those Biblical doctrines it professes to believe and teach are vitiated by Roman Catholic dogma based upon tradition that contradicts the Bible, God's infallible Word. Error is never more deceptive than when it is presented with a veneer of truth. The leaders of the Catholic Church have always fit the description of the false teachers who God warned in advance would come on the scene in the last days, deceiving many by their "feigned" (pretended or hypocritical) words—their "great swelling words of vanity," as described in 2 Peter 2:1-3,18,19.

Before examining and refuting some of the well known false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, it is essential to understand that two basic false teachings of Roman Catholicism (even apart from its many other errors), clearly classify it as a false cult rather than a true church. These two basic errors are:

First, Roman Catholicism, although teaching that the Bible is the Word of God, adds the spurious apocryphal books to the Scriptures, and also elevates church tradition and the edicts of popes and councils (the words of men), to the same or an even greater level of authority than the Word of God. This amounts to adding to the Word of God, thereby placing Roman Catholicism under God's curse. Deut. 4:2; Rev. 22:18,19.

Second, Roman Catholicism, although teaching that faith in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation, actually denies the truth of the Gospel by adding sacraments, good works, and purgatory as additional requirements for forgiveness of sin and for eternal life. This amounts to the preaching of a false Gospel which places the Roman Catholic Church under God's curse. Gal. 1:6-10.

Thus, by Scriptural standards, the Roman Catholic Church is a false church that can only expect God's judgment, not a true church that can claim God's blessing. No amount of outward change should be permitted to obscure this fact. unquote

For the rest of the article go to:

Roman Catholicism Resources

If one is a Bible believer, he should try to understand why someone believes all these false teachings of Rome. LIke many people in the world today, these people were probably inculcated with this false religion from their childhood. Maybe their parents took them to their church where they learned the false teachings. Or maybe they attended a RC school and were taught all the errors there. Either way they grew up believing these things and so today those are the beliefs they hold.

Trudeau was a Romanist and even though he did not appear to be a devout or regular church attender, he had what appeared to be a strong disdain for evangelical Christians, and it is reported that he once said they were the worst kind of Canadians. That seems to be a Liberal belief.

The biggest problem is the Liberal belief system that they hold. Romanism does not seem to forbid the worst liberal beliefs. The problem is when one's mind is locked into the Romanism system, their mind is closed to Biblical truth. These truths expose the evils of Liberalism. Only by God's grace does one begin to read and believe the Bible. That is the only way they might be delivered from the Liberal ideological mindset.

May 18

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump says they're permanent. Have we received any indication or any possible reason to believe that he will take them off as part of NAFTA? Now that he knows carney will cave at the drop of a hat when ordered all he has to do to get his way is threatened to raise them, there's no need for him to take them off ever as a negotiating chip. If anything this puts us in a position to get a much worse deal

And seeing is the free trade agreement negotiations don't begin for a year and that's just when they begin, we're going to be living with these tariffs for a long time and they will be trashing our economy during that time

Well then what is your plan? Cave like a biatch like carney And fall on your knees and pray that trump has mercy on us at some point in the future?

If you can't offer a better plan than that I think that tariffs are worth a try

We will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. I don't believe punishing Canadians with tariffs and making life more expensive for everyone will solve the tariff crisis or tariff war with Trump. Why make life more miserable for millions of Canadians? We have to pursue other solutions the main one being changes in our economy to build a strong economy. Build, built, build, drill, drill, drill kind of thing and find other markets than the U.S.

May 18

1 hour ago, BlahTheCanuck said:

Why is what the Bible says relevant?

I'm glad you asked. Most people would ask the same question.

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The Bible is relevant today because:

It provides guidance and direction for everyday life.

It explains the human story and provides a historical context for our lives.

It provides fresh insight, fresh nuggets of truth, and fresh application every time we read it.

It is the foundation of our faith and connects us with our past and points us to our future.

It informs our practices, directs our actions, and guides our life.

It protects us from wrong teaching.

It is God’s written word to us, complementing God’s spoken word through the Holy Spirit."

"Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.” While the Bible was completed approximately 1900 years ago, its accuracy and relevance for today remain unchanged. The Bible is the sole objective source of all the revelation God has given us about Himself and His plan for humanity.

The Bible contains a great deal of information about the natural world that has been confirmed by scientific observations and research. Some of these passages include Leviticus 17:11; Ecclesiastes 1:6-7; Job 36:27-29; Psalm 102:25-27 and Colossians 1:16-17. As the Bible’s story of God’s redemptive plan for humanity unfolds, many different characters are vividly described. In those descriptions, the Bible provides a great deal of information about human behavior and tendencies. Our own day-to-day experience shows us that this information is more accurate and descriptive of the human condition than any psychology textbook. Many historical facts recorded in the Bible have been confirmed by extra-biblical sources. Historical research often shows a great deal of agreement between biblical accounts and extra-biblical accounts of the same events.

However, the Bible is not a history book, a psychology text, or a scientific journal. The Bible is the description God gave us about who He is, and His desires and plans for humanity. The most significant component of this revelation is the story of our separation from God by sin and God’s provision for restoration of fellowship through the sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ, on the cross. Our need for redemption does not change. Neither does God’s desire to reconcile us to Himself.

The Bible contains a great deal of accurate and relevant information. The Bible’s most important message—redemption—is universally and perpetually applicable to humanity. God’s Word will never be outdated, superseded, or improved upon. Cultures change, laws change, generations come and go, but the Word of God is as relevant today as it was when it was first written. Not all of Scripture necessarily applies explicitly to us today, but all Scriptures contain truth that we can, and should, apply to our lives today."

Is the Bible relevant for today? | GotQuestions.org

The subject of Israel is a central issue in the Bible. Israel was God's chosen people. He had and has a plan for Israel. So what the Bible says is nothing to take lightly or dismiss as irrelevant. It is the most important source of truth that there is.

The first question you must therefore ask yourself is where do you stand in your personal relationship with God. The Bible tells us what that is. Each one of us is either a redeemed child of God or we are still in rebellion against God. That is the most important issue in life.

May 18

This has been Canada's position all along but the fact Carney says this now on the eve of his trip to meet the Pope reveals he is trying to appease the Vatican. He is simply repeating the Vatican line now.

The Vatican has a history of being anti-Semitic for 1,500 years. They do not accept what the Bible says on the subject at all.

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The Bible affirms that Israel owns their land forever, emphasizing God's sovereignty and the covenantal relationship between God and Israel. Key verses include:

Deuteronomy 28:15: "I will give you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be your God."

Genesis 15:18: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates. "

From any rational view, dividing Israel in half would be a major threat to its continued existence.

The Palestinians are the same religion, Islamic, as all of the populations in the countries surrounding Israel. They have no interest in a two-state solution, oppose the existence of Israel, and such a scheme would never guarantee peace or the security of Israel. One must ask what PM Carney is thinking and where he gets his ideas.

May 18

Carney follows a complete apostate or false religion. It is a man-made religion for the most part in contradiction to the Holy Scriptures which is in English, the King James Bible.

Rome's beliefs are invented by men and not taught in the Bible. How will that work having a devout follower of a false religion as the PM of Canada?

His allegiance is to the Pope in Rome. Secondly, he is a diehard climate change fighter and elite globalist who belongs to many international organizations. Where does that place Canada on his list of priorities?

He does hold some woke beliefs that liberals hold which are contrary to the beliefs of Rome, but Rome turns a blind eye to that and there are no consequences in this world for holding woke beliefs apparently, things such as women's right to choose (killing pre-born babies), teaching LGBTQ+ to school kids, authoritarianism, and Marxist Socialist government. But as for Socialism, Rome is a supporter of Socialism and their objective is the expansion of world- wide political-religious domination.

The Vatican is the richest corporation in the world, having accumulated billions in wealth over the many centuries. Read the book "The Vatican Billions" by Avro Manhattan, available online at the archive website. They talk about the need to help the poor. Why don't they set an example with all their wealth?

May 18

On 2/28/2025 at 6:03 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

If it were as simple as that it would be reasonable, yes, but a two state solution has been explicitly opposed by many in Israel since its creation. Neither side has managed to achieve a settled consensus across the political spectrum for a peaceful transition to two states.

A so-called two-state solution is not viable or realistic for the simple reason it would carve Israel in half and destroy its ability to defend itself against the very people whose belief is that Israel must be completely eliminated or destroyed. I idea of a two-state solution is built on naivety and blindness to the real world. It thrives on anti-semitism which is prevalent in the world and has been for two thousand years.

May 18

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now we're still being hurt by trump and he has NO reason to ever take them off of us, and has said he won't and that they're permanent.

I don't agree. We all know Trump is doing it for possibly two reasons.

1. He believes auto industries and possibly others will move their industries to the U.S. He believes tariffs will encourage more things to be produced by American instead of importing them.

2. It is also very likely one of Trump's bargain ploys to try to get a better deal for the U.S. in a new free trade agreement. He thinks he is a master of "the art of the deal".

So I doubt they are permanent. When Americans see that the tariffs are costing them a lot of money and not a real benefit, he might be forced to start dropping the tariffs. But whether they are permanent or not, punishing Canadians with tariffs is not going to solve anything.

56 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is that your plan? We just watch our automotive industry and our ohter industries wither and die with no fight?

No, it is not my plan. I just don't believe putting tariffs on Canadians will force Trump to drop the tariffs. It will not help the auto industry.

It is quite likely Carney was advised by top government financial and economists that putting tariffs on Canadians won't help but it would actually hurt Canadians, especially those who are already struggling to make ends meet. I believe that is what experts probably told Carney. I trust them more than ordinary Canadians who just think somehow tariffs is going to be the solution when it's not. We are a much smaller country compared with America's and they have many other markets they can sell to. Putting tariffs on Canadians would hurt us far more than hurt them. That's the problem.

May 18

On 5/14/2025 at 2:12 PM, CdnFox said:

.... carney has just announced a bunch of new exemptions that wipe out almost all of the tariffs. The US has not reciprocated and our tariffs from them stay in place.

I know it sounded good to fight back with tariffs on imported goods when Trump first started his threats of tariffs. But in reality it makes no sense to punish Canadians in a useless effort to stop Trump's tariffs. Canada just doesn't have the economic clout and has no chance to make any difference that way.

Glad the feds wiped out the idea to put tariffs on most incoming goods. Incoming tariffs will do absolutely nothing to stop Trumps tariffs on goods moving from Canada to U.S. Canada is just too small a country compared with the U.S. Tariffs on incoming goods would hurt Canadians by driving up the price of goods. Where's the sense in that? It would do nothing to stop Trump's trade war but would hurt Canadians, especially those who are already trying to make ends meet.

I trust the economic experts who likely advised Carney not to follow through with all the tariffs on Canadians. It is the one bit of good news. Let Canadians decide to avoid buying imported goods from the U.S. when possible and avoid holiday travel to the U.S. Let's not punish those who can least afford it.

May 16

PM Carney is going to Rome to attend the new Pope's first mass and meet the Pope. I wonder if taxpayers are going to fund this since the trip is a religious trip. Why should the taxpayer's be paying for these kind of trips?

May 16

Cities do not have affordable housing now, so we shouldn't be taking any more immigrants until the problem is solved. The situation is dire. Young families will never own a home because the cost is out of sight. Some cities would take an income of $155,000 per year to be able to even have a chance to save enough for a down payment. That eliminates most middle income people. Even higher than average income is still far short of what is needed.

May 16

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

We do not need the hundreds of thousands of new immigrants and refugees every year.

Quite true. But the elite globalists liberals believe in tearing down borders and creating a one world system where everyone can move and live wherever they wish. If you read between the lines of the U.N. social development goals, you can conclude that they wish to create that kind of world. They believe the way to end world poverty and solve all the world's problems is to just have one world government and redistribute the wealth to everyone. This of course would make everyone equal in poverty. Such a system is completely flawed and against human nature. Such a system does not respect individual initiative, work, or private property. Nobody would want to work for one thing. Why work if the system is going to give you everything? That's the flaw with Socialism and Communism and the U.N. thinking. But they want everyone to bow to them as the great benefactors and caretakers of humanity.

May 16

Well, this article gives a very clear answer to that question. He is clearly a diehard Liberal with similar ideology to previous Liberal Prime Ministers.

He comes across as more benign and gentlemanly than some of the more aggressive PMs, but holds much of the same liberal ideology.

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Some Canadian Catholics are eager to have a prime minister who shares their faith yet offers a contrast to Justin Trudeau. Mark Carney appears to fit the bill. In 2015, while serving as Governor of the Bank of England, Carney was named Britain’s “most influential Catholic” by The Tablet. My co-religionists would be wise, however, to look beyond flattering headlines and critically examine the political machinery Carney represents.

Carney is no moderate. Nor is he a reformer. He is a well-connected globalist with deep ties to institutions such as the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, Bank for International Settlements, and the Financial Stability Board. These organizations place little value on national sovereignty, individual liberty, or democratic accountability. His rise is not rooted in public trust or grassroots support. It’s the product of backroom deals, media adoration, and elite coordination.

The need for “Catholic Carney caution” goes well beyond the veteran national banker’s personal strengths and weaknesses. It is rooted in the very party he has chosen to lead.

The federal Liberal Party has long been Canada’s most aggressive force opposing Catholic social teaching. It pushes policies that are openly hostile to the Church’s moral framework. This is the party that:

Labels opposition to abortion as “misogyny” and being “anti-women”

Proposes revoking the charitable status of “anti-abortion organizations” and seeks to amend the Income Tax Act to eliminate “the advancement of religion” as a charitable purpose

Aggressively promotes Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD), turning euthanasia into a default “solution” for those suffering from poverty, mental illness, or disability

Advances radical gender ideology, pressuring institutions – including Catholic schools –to adopt policies that contradict basic Catholic anthropology, including the sterilization and chemical castration of vulnerable children

The concerns don’t end there. The party Carney leads also:

Demonizes political dissidents

Demonizes those who stand for medical freedom and against coercive vaccine mandates

Freezes the bank accounts of peaceful protestors

Shows sympathy toward Communist China

Promotes censorship and restricts free speech through legislation such as Bill C-16 and Bill C-4

This is not a party that tolerates dissenting views rooted in Catholic moral teaching, let alone advocates for them. Carney’s Liberal party alignment raises serious questions about the principles that will shape his leadership.

Concern extends beyond personal religious consistency. Canadians, Catholic or otherwise, must consider the broader consequences of a government led by Mark Carney:

Continuation of the Trudeau era’s economic failures: Reckless spending, heavy taxation, and inflationary policies disguised with buzzwords like “green transformation”

Opposition to financial decentralization: As a lifelong central banker, Carney is a vocal critic of Bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies, which challenge centralized monetary control. While the world increasingly embraces financial independence through digital currencies, Carney is committed to preserving central bank dominance by ensuring Canadians remain tied to inflationary fiat currency

Expansion of financial surveillance

Preference for global elites over Canadian citizens: Through his involvement with the World Economic Forum and similar global institutions, Carney shows his priorities lie with transnational technocrats – not ordinary Canadians

An undemocratic path to power: Carney’s political rise is not a reflection of popular support. It’s the result of elite orchestration. Less than 0.5% of Canadians had any say in his leadership

Mass Immigration: Mark Carney recently appointed Mark Wiseman chair of the Century Initiative, an organization advocating for a Canadian population of 100 million by the end of the century. Wiseman has said publicly Canada should eliminate all immigration screening and adopt an open-door policy

Carney is not a neutral technocrat. He represents the calculated continuation of a political order built on control and centralization of power. He is Trudeau 2.0.

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A Catholic’s caution about Mark Carney | The Catholic Register

Some believe he is going to lead change. Whether this is true or not, it is hard to believe he would just throw the long-established liberal ideologies and policies out the window. I somehow doubt he will change much. Time will tell, but I am not holding my breath for any significant changes.

People voted for him to a large extent because he promised to be the master in dealing with Trump and the 51st state threat. However, many people don't know he was chosen as the new Liberal leader by a very small number of people. Then the election was called and behold, there was was only a choice between a couple of parties, one of which he was the leader of and PM to be. Many people perhaps did not know he has been a long-established Liberal elite globalist and is to a large extent controlled by a party which has a long-established Liberal ideology that is not likely going to change.

May 16

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

Nowadays, religion is irrelevant.

Carney favours green.

In Roman Catholicism, yes, you are correct. One can be quite devoted and a practicing Catholic, yet be a committed Liberal progressive at heart and reject traditional moral values. Look at Trudeau 2.0. He was a Catholic but never followed their teachings on opposing abortion, and he supported MAID and the LGBTQ+2S agendas including sexual orientation and gender identity. Carney will be the same. Rome does not enforce its moral beliefs on its members. It is basically a free-for-all. So, you are correct. Even devout followers do not take the moral teachings of their religion seriously. Globalist and liberal ideology comes first.

May 16

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

Fergawdsakes, years ago Carney was Roman Catholic.

Nowadays, religion is irrelevant.

Carney favours green.

Hey I just found a far more revealing article describing PM Carney and what he will be like. So I am replacing the previous post with this one. It shows you are actually quite correct. According to this article, Carney is Trudeau 2.0 or really 3.0 (Trudeau 1.0 being Pierre Trudeau). It looks like Carney is a very typical liberal and so we can expect pretty much a continuation of Liberal policies and ideology.