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  1. 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

    Lies.  That’s a sin.  

    What?   Children's aid taking neglected or abused kids into foster care and government putting kids in residential schools that would otherwise receive no education? That has always been the role of the government, provincial and federal.

    Why has it suddenly become wrong for the government to try to help the native kids for the last 150 years? 

  2. 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

    Because you say so?

    Let’s assume you’re correct.  Do you think all the good things could have been introduced without needing to separate children from families or force them out of their lands?

    The children had to be taken care of by the powers that be.  Otherwise you would have had genocide by starvation.  Then you would be whining about that.

  3. On 5/30/2023 at 11:13 PM, TreeBeard said:

    Was it moral for God to order babies to be killed?

    1 Samuel 15

    2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he lay in wait for him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

    3 Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

    Whatever God orders is moral.  God is sovereign in everything.

    "He also gives him a reason for the command, that the severity he must use might not seem hard: I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, v. 2. God had an ancient quarrel with the Amalekites, for the injuries they did to his people Israel when he brought them out of Egypt. We have the story, Exod 17 8, etc., and the crime is aggravated, Deut 25 18. He basely smote the hindmost of them, and feared not God. God then swore that he would have war with Amalek from generation to generation, and that in process of time he would utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek; this is the work that Saul is now appointed to do (v. 3): "Go and smite Amalek. Israel is now strong, and the measure of the iniquity of Amalek is now full; now go and make a full riddance of that devoted nation." He is expressly commanded to kill and slay all before him, man and woman, infant and suckling, and not spare them out of pity; also ox and sheep, camel and ass, and not spare them out of covetousness."

    1 Samuel 15 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete) (biblestudytools.com)

  4. On 5/30/2023 at 11:13 PM, TreeBeard said:

    Was it moral for God to order babies to be killed?

    1 Samuel 15

    2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he lay in wait for him on the way when he came up from Egypt.

    3 Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.’”

    Taking the Bible out of context again.

  5. 9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

    Do you think it’s appropriate for children to hear all those biblical stories that normalize incest?


    If someone were write a book with those kinds of stories in it it you would ban it. 

    Of course whoever would be teaching the Bible in schools would have to have a certain degree of knowledge of it and be qualified.  We couldn't have you or Treebeard teaching it.  There are a few historical passages in the Bible that could be taken out of context as Herbie or Treebeard do for their own reasons to try to discredit the Bible.  Those kind of people could not teach it of course.  Must be a Bible believer teaching it to begin with.  We don't use teachers to teach subjects if they oppose the subject to begin with.

  6. 37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    Why would God make the 10 Commandments if one of them is useless?

    Just gave you a lengthy explanation of that and the link for more information.

    Apparently you don't read anything more than one or two lines.  So of course you don't understand the answer.

  7. 25 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    Most useless commandment ever then!   Why would God make the 10 Commandments if one of them is useless?  Or, why do Christians claim the commandments to be holy?   

    You either trust God and his revelation and admit you don't understand everything in it but are willing to learn

    OR  you reject it all and remain in darkness.

    There are two schools of thought.

    One is belief that God created the universe, revealed himself in his written word which we can study and learn.

    The other school of thought is unbelief which manifests itself in various ideologies such as secular humanism, Darwinism, Communism, etc.



  8. 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

    Nearly every Christian  rejects the Sabbath, despite the claim that the 10 Commandments are holy.  Clearly, they’re only holy when they’re convenient.  

    You claim that because you don't understand the Bible.  The Sabbath only applied to ancient Israel and never applied to the Church which began 2,000 years ago at the crucifixion.  

    "If an old-covenant Israelite esteemed “all days alike,” he might be stoned to death (Numbers 15:32–36). Yet Paul evidently felt no need to impose the Sabbath command on his Gentile converts. Some in Rome, it seems, wanted to keep the Sabbath (and so esteem “one day as better than another”) — perhaps Jewish Christians eager to maintain the traditions of their fathers. Paul had no issue with those Christians, so long as they refrained from pressuring others to imitate them or suggested that salvation hinged on obedience to the Sabbath (compare Galatians 4:8–11).

    For the sake of Christian freedom and mutual love, Paul says simply and remarkably, “Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).

    Hebrews: ‘We who have believed enter that rest.’

    The author of Hebrews brings us closer to the heart of why the new covenant does not require a literal seventh-day rest. Christ’s first coming did not abolish rest; rather, it ushered in a deeper kind of rest than the Sabbath could ever offer.

    According to Hebrews 4, Israel’s Sabbath day always pointed forward to a far greater day: the still-future day when all creation will enter fully into the rest foreshadowed and promised in Genesis 2:2–3, the very first seventh day. “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9). The ultimate Sabbath rest is coming, when God’s people will enjoy work without toil, hearts without sin, and an earth without thorns.

    Yet even now, Hebrews implies, we feel the first waves of the coming rest. In Christ, we “have [already] tasted . . . the powers of the age to come” (Hebrews 6:5), rest included. For, the author writes, “We who have believed enter that rest” (Hebrews 4:3) — not “will enter,” but “enter”: fully later, truly now.

    And how do we enter that rest? Not mainly by putting aside our weekly labors for one day in seven, but by believing: “We who have believed enter that rest.” Faith in Jesus Christ brings the rest of the seventh day into every day."

    For a full explanation:

    Should Christians Keep the Sabbath? | Desiring God

  9. 5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    Do you think advanced technology should be forced upon people without their consent?    What if they don’t want it?  And what if they wanted to stay where they were and not move?

    The aboriginals want all the advanced technology.  They love it.

  10. 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    Just looking at #9, nowhere in humanism is the family obsolete

    Of course humanism believes the traditional biblical definition of a family is obsolete.  

    Firstly it rejects God-given absolutes and that means it rejects the definition of a family as being only between one man and one woman.

    That is why we have same-sex marriage and recognition of pride flags, etc.  According to the Bible which is God's revelation to man, the only relationship God recognizes as legitimate is between man and woman as a husband and wife.  Humanism rejects this.

    Your description of humanism which you posted states quite clearly what it believes.  It is man-centred and rejects God.  In humanism, man decides what a family is and believes individual freedom or liberty takes precedence over what God said in his written revelation.  

  11. Notice Christianity and Humanism are diametrically opposed religions.

    Humanists believe we are just a chemical blob or accident of the Cosmos.  We have no purpose in being here and no future.

    Christianity believes the opposite.  Christianity believes God has a purpose for our existence;  He created us and gave us his revelation which describes the problem and the solution.  We were created by God who gave us souls and spirits.  Life does not end with death.  We were created with a soul which will live on in eternity, either in heaven or hell.  Everyone has to decide what they will believe.  But we must remember the consequences are eternal.


  12. 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

    What do you find wrong about the principles of secular humanism?

    Everything is wrong with secular humanism.  First it denies God, his revelation and His sovereignty over mankind.


    1. The sovereignty of man and the state is the starting point, and it is the word of scientific, elite man which we must heed.

    2. Man is his own god, choosing or determining for himself what constitutes good and evil (Gen. 3:5).

    3. Truth is pragmatic and existential: it is what we find works and is helpful to us.

    4. Education is the self-realization and self-development of the child.

    5. Education is freedom from restraint and from any idea of truth outside of us. We are the standard, not something outside of man.

    6. The school and the world must measure up to the pupil's needs. The pupil grades the teacher.

    7. Society must be broken and remade to man's will and the child's will is sacred.

    8. Man's problem is society. Society must be recreated by man.

    9. The family is obsolete. The individual or the state is basic.

    The great issue of the years ahead is the developing battle between Christianity and humanism. It is a war unto death. Christianity is a world and life view and faith, and it can only exist as such. It is either the Word of God for every area or none.

    Christianity was born into the same battle. It is only the dereliction of Christendom which has led to a return to the beginnings of this old battle of the centuries. On the day of Pentecost, St. Peter's great proclamation was this: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Ac. 2:36). "Jesus is Lord!" This is the joyful and central proclamation of the early church. It is the declaration of St. Paul (Phil. 2:9-11; Rom 10:9; 1 Cor. 12:3), and it is the joyful declaration that in Christ the prophecy of Isaiah 45:23 is fulfilled. To declare Jesus is Lord means that He is the world ruler Who absolutely governs every sphere of life and thought. It is the obligation of every area to be Christian: church, state, school, family, vocations, the arts and sciences, and all things else must serve only Christ the Lord.

    The True Meaning of "Church"
    A problem in understanding the scope of our work is the common misuse of the word church. Our English word comes from kyriakos, a Greed adjective, as in kyriakon doma, or kyriake oika; our word "church" refers to an institution of worship, the ministry of the Word, or a building. The New Testament word translated church is ecclesia, which gives the sense of two Hebrew words, 'edhah (congregation) and qahl (assembly). It can refer to all the redeemed people, to their assembly in worship, their civil government, the family, the godly army, and more: it means the kingdom of God. Thus, where Scripture speaks of the church, it means Christ's realm in every area and sphere of life. All things must be brought under the dominion of Christ the Lord.

    At present, humanism has brought all things, including most churches, under the sway of man the lord. The purpose of state schools, as laid down by Horace Mann, James G. Carter, and others, was twofold: first, to establish centralism, the priority of the state over every area of life, and second, to eliminate Biblical faith. The founders of statist education in the United States were Unitarians. They rightly believed that control over the child through the schools is the key to controlling society. Control over the schools will determine control over state and church finally.

    Christianity and humanism are diametrically opposed religions; one is the worship of the sovereign and Triune God, the other is the worship of man. Let us briefly analyze some of the key points of difference between Christianity and humanism as they affect education. This is far from an exhaustive analysis. Our purpose is to provide a brief outline of some of the fundamental differences:


    1. The sovereignty of the Triune God is the starting point, and this God speaks through His infallible Word.

    2. We must accept God as God. He is alone Lord.

    3. God's Word and Person is the Truth.

    4. Education is into God's truth in every realm.

    5. Education is discipline under a body of truth. This body of truth grows with research and study, but truth is objective and God-given. We begin by presupposing God and His Word.

    6. Godly standards grade us. We must measure up to them. The teacher grades the pupil.

    7. Man's will and the child's will must be broken to God's purpose. Man must be remade, reborn by God's grace.

    8. Man's problem is sin. Man must be recreated by God.

    9. The family is God's basic institution.


    Christianity Versus Humanism (chalcedon.edu)

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  13. 34 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    God couldn’t think of any other stories to tell other than Lot being raped by his daughters?  Is God the perv?

    That was just part of a long history of what happened during the history of the descendants of the Abrahamic line which became the nation of Israel.  You seriously have a mental issue and do not have a child's understanding of the Bible.  Why is every comment you make about the Bible absolutely ludicrous?   I don't have any more time for your nonsense.

  14. 18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

    How moral was it for Lot’s daughters to get their father drunk and have sex with him?   That sounds more pornographic than anything kids would learn in school.  

    It is simply a record of what happened.  It does not say it was moral or right.  Nobody says it was right.  Of course it was wrong.  The Bible tells the the truth of what happened in history and does not hide the bad.  It just proves the Bible came from God.  If was men just making it up they might not tell the unvarnished truth of what happened.  

  15. 2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

    NOBODY condones sexual abuse in any form. The conservative approach to keep the subject taboo and kids in ignorance only makes them hem victims. There is nothing pornographic about sex ed amd it gives kids age-appropriate information to avoid predators and not fall victim to playground rumours about what is or isn’t safe and ok

    Sorry you are dead wrong.  Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality.

    Sex education should be done by parents, not unbelieving liberals or progressives in public education institutions, who know nothing or believe nothing about morality as taught in the Bible.


    Children will learn about sexuality from someone. The options are their peers, pornography, school settings, experimentation, or their parents. The best place for sex education is in the home, as a natural part of training children “in the way they should go” (Proverbs 22:6). It is the parents’ God-given responsibility to teach children God’s perspective on every area of life, including sexuality (Ephesians 6:1–4).

    Due to the intrinsic complexities of human sexuality, the physical aspects of biological reproduction cannot be separated from moral responsibility. Regardless of whether children receive sex education in schools or even at church, it remains the parents' responsibility to ensure their children are properly educated about both the biological and moral aspects of sexuality. Leaving values-training to others is dangerous, particularly regarding matters of sexuality in many cultures today.

    First, what does the Bible say about sex? Sexuality is a gift to us from God and should be viewed as such. God created sex for two purposes: procreation and unity between husband and wife (Genesis 1:28; Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:7–8; 1 Corinthians 7:1–5). Any other use of sex is sin (1 Corinthians 6:9, 18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). Sadly, many in our world do not believe these truths. As a result, there are many perversions of sexuality and much unnecessary pain caused by them. Parents who properly educate their children about sex can help their children discern truth from error, walk in wisdom, and ultimately have a more wholesome experience of the gift of sexuality.

    Most modern sex education instruction presents perversion, fornication, homosexuality, and living together before marriage as “normal” expressions of sexuality. Any teaching of boundaries is limited to the avoidance of negative consequences. All of this is contrary to Scripture (1 Corinthians 6:9; Leviticus 20:15–16; Matthew 5:28). Christian parents should be actively involved in all aspects of their children’s education, especially in areas that compromise Scripture. Parents should be aware of what their children are learning and correct any misinformation given to their children. They should also educate their children in such a way as to equip the children to discern biblical truth from cultural error. God holds parents responsible for the upbringing of their children (Ephesians 6:4), not schools, churches, or governments.

    Many parents find the topic of sexuality awkward and embarrassing, but it doesn’t need to be. Parents should begin when the children are very young, speaking matter-of-factly with preschoolers about their bodies and how men and women are made differently. Those conversations transition naturally into more complex areas as the child matures. It is important that a child knows he can talk to mom or dad about anything that confuses him.

    Sexual information bombards us from every direction, so these parent-child conversations must begin very early. Before parents allow a school system to instruct in sexuality or morality, they must be sure their children have already learned the truth. It is then crucial to stay abreast of what the children are learning and how they are applying their knowledge. Keeping a constant, open dialogue with one’s children is a key to staying in charge of what they are learning. When parents are proactive in their children’s instruction, those children have a basis upon which to recognize and reject errors that the world promotes as truth.    unquote

    How should a Christian view sex education? | GotQuestions.org

  16. Colonialism has been a great benefit to everyone as it brought the benefits of modern society.  A few things of great benefit are health care, education, technologies and comforts such as motor vehicles, power tools, hand tools of all kinds, logging and sawmills, home construction, ships, aircraft, and government institutions that brought law and order to society.  Also the modern age brought smart phones, cable TV and computers that provide knowledge, education, and entertainment.  Also jobs that pay enough to afford all these luxuries we enjoy.  And of course the Bible and gospel, without which there is no salvation.

  17. 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

    Southern Baptist church releases database of sexual abusers, redactions spark anger



    Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse

    Investigation by Fort Worth Star-Telegram finds 400 allegations against 168 leaders spanning almost 200 churches and institutions.

    DECEMBER 12, 2018 09:54 AM



    How Protestant Churches Hid Sexual Abuse

    A recent study sponsored by LifeWay Christian Resources reveals that 10% of Protestants under the age of 35 have left the church previously because they felt that sexual abuse and misconduct were not taken seriously by the church. This is is twice any many people as the 5% of churchgoers from any religion who have walked away due to the mishandling of sexual abuse. Among younger people, 9% stated that they were no longer attending their former church because they did not feel protected from sexual misconduct.

    More than 375 leaders and volunteers in the Southern Baptist church have been charged with some form of sexual misconduct over the past 12 years. Over 200 of these volunteers and leaders pled guilty or were convicted for their crimes. However, the Southern Baptist Convention will not take significant steps to stop abuse in churches, claiming that each church should act independently to tend to this matter. As a result, several pastors and leaders who are registered sex offenders or accused of sexual misconduct are permitted to maintain their position in the church.


    Child Sex Abusers in Protestant Christian Churches: An Offender Typology

    ….Some estimates exist on the total instances of sexual abuse within Protestant Christian churches. One estimate comes from three of the largest faith-based insurance companies1 that insure nearly 160,000 churches. These three faith-based insurance companies reported 7,095 insurance claims of sexual abuse by clerical members, church employees, congregation members, or others involved within these settings from 1987 to 2007 (The Associated Press, 2007). These reports indicate an average of 260 claims of sexual abuse per year. In addition, Denney, Kerley, and Gross (2018) published one of the first empirical studies on sexual abuse in the U.S. within Protestant Christian settings that examined news articles reporting on arrests involving sexual abuse, finding 326 total cases reported from 1999 to 2014. Most recently, the Houston Chroniclepublished a series titled "Abuse of Faith," uncovering sexual abuse and cover-up within the largest Protestant Christian organization in the U.S. (i.e., the SBC). They identified 380 sexual abusers and 700 alleged victims over 20 years (Downen, Olsen, & Tedesco, 2019). Moreover, Downen et al. (2019) found that 35 Southern Baptist ministers were hired at churches, despite being accused of sexual misconduct or abuse, demonstrating a pattern of institutional issues in responding to alleged sexual abuse… 


    This may be true.  I am not going to get into a slinging match on the subject of sexual abuse because it has nothing to do with the topic and is pointless in this discussion.

    All I can tell is the  Bible does not condone sexual abuse in any form.  There are millions of Christians in the world that attend hundreds of thousands of churches in many countries.  Most would oppose and condemn sexual abuse.

    The fact that there are sexual abuse cases in many parts of society has been known for decades.  Just how prevalent it is difficult to say.  I don't condone it.  

    But it is really not related to the subject of porn in school libraries.   It does not support the argument against teaching young kids sexual orientation, gender identity, or even about sex.  The issue of sexual abuse in society is a serious problem.  But exposing kids to the kind of sex education that is being taught these day is another problem itself.

  18. I see the real problem Canada has is a spiritual one.  This affects government and society in every way from crime to everyday life for everyone in every walk of life to politics at every level.  Israel did not listen to it's prophets, persecuted them and martyred some and as a result Israel suffered the consequences.  What about Canada?  Can Canada expect to build a nation based on paganism, secular humanism, liberalism, etc. and not suffer the consequences?  I don't think so.

    "How many are very careless in the affairs of their souls! Not considering what we do know in religion, does us as much harm, as ignorance of what we should know. The wickedness was universal. Here is a comparison taken from a sick and diseased body. The distemper threatens to be mortal. From the sole of the foot even to the head; from the meanest peasant to the greatest peer, there is no soundness, no good principle, no religion, for that is the health of the soul. Nothing but guilt and corruption; the sad effects of Adam's fall. This passage declares the total depravity of human nature. While sin remains unrepented, nothing is done toward healing these wounds, and preventing fatal effects. Jerusalem was exposed and unprotected, like the huts or sheds built up to guard ripening fruits. These are still to be seen in the East, where fruits form a large part of the summer food of the people. But the Lord had a small remnant of pious servants at Jerusalem. It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed. The evil nature is in every one of us; only Jesus and his sanctifying Spirit can restore us to spiritual health."

    This is an explanation of the beginning of the Old Testament book written by the prophet Isaiah in Chapter One verses 1 to 9.   This was concerning Judah (a country or part of Israel) and Jerusalem, their capital.  However, it is easy to see how this also would apply to Canada.

  19. 25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

    And yet even i. Protestant churches they still have disproportionately more sexual predators

    I never heard of such a thing in my forty some years going to different protestant churches.  I think you are making it up.  If it happens, it would probably be very rare and no worse than in any other organization.

    Where sexual abuse is reportedly common is in sports such as hockey and other sports.  We have been hearing more about it in Hockey Canada on the news for some time now.  It probably happens in any organization that has access to kids.  It is not unique to religious organizations, except in Romanism where it has been reported as widespread in some places.


  20. 14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

    Thats why so many pedophiles are priests, the churchgoing community is fertile hunting ground.

    That is the Roman church which has priests that are not allowed to marry.  Protestant churches do not have priests.  They have ministers that usually have wives and families, like any normal family.  

  21. 21 hours ago, eyeball said:

    You should advocate burning your Bible then  Diddling with kids minds is pretty effed up.

    You really need help.  You seem to be getting more wacked out as time goes on.  Maybe a local Protestant/Bible believer or minister could help you.  Just a suggestion.  Nobody is forcing you to go for help but it would be wise.


    What does the Bible say about sexual abuse against children?

    Caring for children is spoken of highly in the Bible. For example, James 1:27 says that caring for children in need pleases God: “Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.” Ephesians 6:4 says, “Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.” Psalm 127:3 calls children “a heritage from the Lord.” Jesus’ interactions with children (notably in Matthew 18) demonstrate the value God places on them. The Bible speaks often about caring for the weak, poor, and needy—and this would include at-risk children (Proverbs 14:31; 17:5; 19:17; 31:8–9). Followers of Christ are consistently called to love others. Molesting a child can in no way be mistaken for love.

    The Bible also speaks strongly against sexual sin. Sex is a gift given by God meant for marriage. Sexual perversion of all kinds is soundly condemned. Sexually assaulting a child is never justifiable; it is always wrong.   unquote

    What does the Bible say about child sexual abuse? | GotQuestions.org

  22. 12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

    I can't speak for Michael, but having grown up in a very Church-oriented family (grandfather was a Minister), I'd say you're a bad Christian.  A good Christian spreads the Good Word, rather than wasting all of his time being angry and telling everyone how bad they are.  If the early missionaries were anything like you, the world would still be pagan.   

    Hate to have to tell you the truth, but you are an opponent of God and Christianity.  The only reason you smear me is because you hate the truth.  You want me to tell everyone including yourself that you are good boys on the way to heaven when the opposite is true. 

    Christians don't win popularity contests for telling the truth from the Bible.  That's just a fact.  If you want to be soothed by Christians you will have to find someone else to do that.  That's not how Biblical Christianity is.  The truth is uncomfortable.

    The message from the Bible is exactly what I have been saying.  Everyone is a sinner and has a corrupt heart and needs to be born again.  Read the Bible.  Don't believe me if you think I am so wrong.

    On your last point, the world is mainly pagan.  Canada is by far mostly pagan.

  23. 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

    You think Jesus would say the state shouldn’t collect taxes to feed the poor?  Or would Jesus say “whatever it takes to feed the poor, let’s just do it!  Let’s add 2% to the GST and use that money to feed the poor”?  

    Are you opposed to school lunch programs?

    How much of your income do you devote to feeding the poor?

    Taxes are Socialism and forced wealth redistribution.  If we didn't have carbon taxes, gas taxes, and many other taxes for this and that, there would be more money in people's bank accounts and more money to donate to charitable organizations to help the poor.  Simple as that.  

    Forced confiscation of money by government (Socialism) also wastes a large amount of it on bureaucracy which must be paid with all kinds of benefits and pension plans that many other people outside government do not receive.

    I know in Saskatchewan the government gives men a half of a year off work with full salary when the man's wife has a baby.  Who is private industry gets anything like that?   Six months maternity leave for the men?????  Give us a break.

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