WestCanMan

From your link: Daaanng. It seems as though I may need to brush up on my classic logical fallacies lol. Let's see Austin Powers try to say that one.

1) Aristedes, if you want to quote someone in this forum you have to click the 'quote' hotlink at the bottom of their quote so that they're are aware of it. 2) Well isn't that a swell little story that you're piecing together there now? By your logic a Brit can pay his Russian friends (or they're such good friends that they work for free) for false intel, proven false I might add, and use it to try to change the course of an American Presidential election with some help from a few more lies at the FBI, weekly lying sessions from the ranking Demonrat on the House Intel Committee, and even more lies from some high-level CIA dropouts. It all seems so legitimate now. I can see why you would want to throw your hat in with all those guys. So trustworthy right? Sorry if this sounds a bit condescending little guy, but there's no way for me to illustrate your point and make it sound less than idiotic while staying within the bounds of truth and reason.

1) They are basically encouraging discrimination with this kind of talk. 2) With all of the criticisms of the left that are floating around about socialism and communism, I have to say that this little tidbit really smacks of the kind of communism that China had in the '40s and '50s, where business owners and capitalists became the enemy. They began their policy of "at least one person in every town has to be killed for their capitalist ways." In Biden/Harris's case, you just replace 'capitalists' with 'white men'. 3) Honest to god, if there's some kind of white privilege going around are we to assume that 'white women' didn't benefit from it? I'm pretty sure that my sister grew up in the same house that I did, and had the same access to education that I did. 4) The only good news to come out of this for 'white men', is that now that we're in the business of evening things out, white men have definitely done more than their share of fighting and dying in wars in this country. Looks like it's everyone else's turn. Have fun dickheads.

"Not really sedition. That was a mostly-peaceful speech." - CNN

Sedition and treason are sedition and treason. HOLY CRAP! Yep. My dog uses the same poetic license to fart while he's taking a crap. He's a black and white Jack Russell, just in case you want the mental image that goes along with that. It's probably preferable to what's in your head after watching all that CNN.

No, you missed when they asked for people to come help them overrun a police station and claim sovereignty over American soil. There was another attempt in Portland too iirc. That's sedition. It was actually treason for anyone to aid them at that point in time, which is worse than sedition (they are usually both punishable by death in time of war, but treason is the lay up).

For sure. Apoplectic about sedition in the summer of 2020 and then again in January of 2021. But it's not an either/or. It's both or it's neither. Did he mention your name specifically, or did you just feel like he was looking at you through your TV screen when he was talking?

Of course it's outside the 'mainstream'. The mainstream media vilifies all conservatives and they don't give a shit about property damage, racial division, racial violence, looting, arson, murders committed during riots, attacks on police & government buildings or any other crimes related to rioting. Or at least they didn't until January 6th. All of a sudden it's illegal and they're all apoplectic. "THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT CHANCE TO VIRTUE SIGNAL!!!!!! In case you forgot, those scumbags were even advocating for defunding police until they realized that even their idiotic god-damned followers had the foresight to know what that would lead to. You could have knocked me over with a feather the moment that I heard that Demmies actually thought for themselves or a moment. I guess they're all like the guy at ESPN who loved the idea for everyone else but realized that it would affect their own neighbourhoods too. "Let's help those blacks destroy their own neighbourhoods, that's really awesome, but we aren't going to make any changes that affect the safety of our neighbourhoods." Actually now that I think about it it makes perfect sense, because hypocrisy is one of the main characteristics of Demmies.

Dems provided false justification, let rioters out of jail the next morning without bail, called their hostile takeover of a police station & 7 sq blocks of sovereign American soil "a summer of love", refused to allow the national guard to come protect federal buildings, lionized the rioters and seditious/treasonous BLMers by painting their logo on city streets, etc. The Dems advocated for, protected, justified and lionized all kind of illegal activity including actions which constituted sedition and treason. Michelle Obama's own words at the 2020 commencement ceremonies were every bit as seditious as anything Trump ever said.

Lying is what Libs do, 24/7. Check the collusion fiascos, the Kavanaugh hearings, the whole spiel about 'peaceful protests' in 2020, 'there was absolutely no election fraud in 2020', etc. Killing 5 people? I know that all leftists are liars but that's quite the stretch lol.

There were many instances of police stations and federal buildings attacked by rioters who were supported by Democrats in 2020. What makes last Wednesday different?

Trump would have already told whom? Suleimani, the guy he had killed? What are you talking about?

Find a liberal who won't say that Trump colluded or Trudeau is innocent then.

So how do you know that Steele didn't pay the Russians? You claim to KNOW that, how so? Were you there when they did the deal? Do you know Steele himself, or the Russians involved? Not many people on earth actually know the answer to that question. So why does Christopher Steele just have these amazing "altruistic" Russian contacts? How do you know that these Russians are 'good'? Why do they work for Steele/Clinton for free? No, the Trump claim is that he never colluded with Russia for election help. If he knows that he didn't collude with Russia, then he knows that Steele never got intel about him colluding with Russia, just like I know that I didn't collude with Russia to buy my last car. (Did Russia collude to help you buy your last car? What if Steele finds a Russian who says that you did? If you give a guy enough money he'll probably say anything, right? Are you guilty now? What if the FBI lies to a FISA court to make you look a bit guilty? Would you be guilty at that point?) The whole point about the Steele thing is that it's not even disputed. It's a 100% certainty that Hillary covertly paid Steele through Perkins Coie law firm, and that he surreptitiously met with some Russians to collude (cooperated in a secretive way) to try to win the election (to get election dirt). Isn't that supposed to be bad? I think that I saw something about that somewhere. Can you explain how what Hillary did wasn't "Russian collusion"? The FBI found no evidence that Trump colluded, but we all know that at least some of Hillary's evidence was made up. COLLUSION!!!! AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense. It's quite the opposite.

Lol. Of course vile is vile. The difference is that on the left, vile is consistent from bottom to top. People like Biden and Trudeau are just as likely to steal from their government as any lowlife BLM rioter is to rob a store. All leftists on the street lie about: whether or not using ID to vote is a good idea, whether or not a van attack is proof that we need stricter gun laws, whether or not Democrats are the biggest supporters of anti-Semitism in the US, whether Suleimani was a terrorist or a beloved father figure, whether or not Dr Ford's testimony is credible, whether or not Trudeau's morality is a serious issue, why Rayshard was shot by police, what Brionna was doing when she got shot, etc. It's never ending. Harper's crimes against the taxpayers of Canada were limited to "maybe he was aware that his party paid back the $90K that Duffy may have (didn't) claim fraudulently". Even the crass pig Donald Trump wasn't a guilty of taking from American taxpayers. At the very bottom of the right side of the political spectrum is the lowlife. There's no part of the left side of the political spectrum where you don't find lying on every single topic known to man.

Hold the Phone. Pelosi's laptop was stolen. https://www.wionews.com/world/theft-of-nancy-pelosis-laptop-in-capitol-riots-raises-security-concern-355602 Officials are scrambling to secure orders for 73 of her favourite flavours of ice cream before smelly Walmart shoppers start ordering them, driving up the prices. Luckily, peons like you can't afford her other 50 favorites. Seriously though, what state secrets could possibly be on her laptop? Obviously Trump didn't keep her in the loop or America's enemies would have been tipped off at every turn. Suleimani would be playing golf with Joe Biden right now, winning billions of US taxpayer dollars per hole.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, pump the brakes! Can you give me an example of the vile left? Of course there are people that aren't leftists that are vile, but the fact that they're 'not leftists' that doesn't make those people mainstream 'Conservatives' or 'Republicans' either. Saying that alt-right nutjobs are representative of Conservatives or Republicans is just BS. Mainstream Demonrats and Liberals are actual proven criminals though, and their supporters don't mind, and that's weird. If Trump actually colluded with Russia he would have lost his support but the notion of "Russian collusion" itself is just absurd. What did Trump need to pay Russians for that he couldn't have paid Americans for? Do Dems think that there is a shortage of criminals in America? HAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA, ridiculous idea? Tell me what's ridiculous: 1) The safest and most secure way to hold a secure election is to have people show up at polling booths with valid ID, unless they have an extremely good reason for being unable to attend in person, or 2) The best way to have an election is to mass mail ballots to everyone who may reside in a state, or who considers a state to be their home state despite the fact that they live in another state where they may be voting as well. Also - if people do want to vote by mail their signature doesn't have to match any signatures that are on record (and why would there be such a record when people don't need ID anyways?). Also, asking people for ID should only be allowed when they are driving, buying guns, buying liquor, applying to university, applying for a job, opening a bank account, taking out library books, or buying cigarettes - it's discrimination to ask people for ID if they want to vote. Also, people who vote by mail can vote after election day. Also, if thousands of votes are cast by dead people, there doesn't need to be an investigation. Also, it is ok to deny election observers from one of the parties to have access to polling stations to ensure the fairness of the election. Sure, I'll admit that the fact that there are thousands of voting irregularities that favour the side whose candidate couldn't get more than 200 people to a rally, and whose side somehow managed to break the record for votes by 5 million isn't proof of fraud or that the election was 'stolen' but it most certainly does mean that the US just had an election whch has the appearance of being bogus.

I'm just wondering whether or not this latest bit of Russian shenanigans will end up being similar to the last round of Russian shenanigans. What's wrong with that? You broached the topic. How do you know that? It's 100% certain that the Dems covertly sent money to a foreign spy, and that the spy in question contacted Russians to get dirt on Trump. Do you know for a fact that the Russians just gave it up freely? How do you know that? Did you ever see Steele answer questions to that effect under oath? Did CNN probe into the whole sordid affair of Hillary conspiring with foreign spies and Russians? I must have missed that part. Is it somehow better if the DNC was paying a spy who had Russians working for him for free Beave? Why did Russians work for Hillary, free of charge? Nothing's really free now, is it? Consideration is a cornerstone of any contract or arrangement. What do you think Hillary gave the Russians if not money? This just keeps getting better....

People who are caught using violence against others, making serious & credible threats against others, or destroying/stealing property should be charged criminally. And FYI the ones who did it in Portland and Seattle are just as guilty as the ones who did it in DC. Trump shouldn't be pardoning Capitol Hill rioters, or letting them out of prison without bail, and it wasn't acceptable when the Dems were doing it but you didn't complain, did you.... We differ in that I'm not a hypocrite, you are.

When people were threatened by mobs during the 2020 Demmie riots, Pelosi and the Democrats vigorously defended the mobs and prosecuted the homeowners who defended themselves as criminals. When low-rent housing was burned to the ground this summer, the Obamas, Pelosi, Harris and the Dems fervently supported the actions of rioters. When anarchists overran police detachments and attacked federal buildings this summer, the Dems stood with them, even going so far as to call the terrorist-held enclave, where Americans were denied the right to police protection and suffered the pillaging and destruction of their homes and businesses, "the summer of love". Michelle Oblahblah delivered a commencement address to America's grads this summer, heartily endorsing angry protests (aka riots) during the peak of the rioting, arson, racial violence, the attacks on police, and the murders of dozens of innocent Americans. Dems and their state-controlled media defended non-peaceful forms of protest in speeches, by letting the rioters out of prison without bail, by acting like the amount of damage was acceptable (ie, saying that the protests were 'mainly peaceful'), by lionizing the rioters and the terrorists who spread disinformation to incite the rioting (painting BLM everywhere), and by providing false justification for the violence themselves (eg Hillary citing her own 'white privilege'). Just like the guy from ESPN who cheered on the rioting and arson when it was 8 blocks away, and then referred to the exact same rioters as "animals who don't belong here" when they came to his neighbourhood, Pelosi was a pro-rioter until the riots affected her personally. Suddenly that stupid bitch was all up in arms about how bad it is to have a 'mostly peaceful protest'. "It's a serious crime now! Someone sat at my sacred desk!" baby bear gasped as she clutched her $30,000 pearls. If you recall, police and government buildings were attacked several times over the summer. Did that worthless loser use the word sedition before 2021? How much concern did Pelosi ever show for the families of murdered officers, or the families of people whose innocent loved ones were murdered, or for the people whose businesses were burned to the ground back in 2014-2016, or in 2020? None. That heartless piece of crap had no compassion whatsoever for any one of the people who grieved for the loss of their businesses or family members, all of her support was for the rioters. Now that she lost a laptop, riots are suddenly bad. Attacking federal buildings is suddenly bad. Boohoo. Suck it up you whiny god-damned loser. Your chickens just came home to roost. The people who were concerned about the rioting in 2014-2016, and in 2020, are also upset by the rioting at the capital. Conservatives are good, decent people by nature. Demonrats are worthless, hypocritical losers with no idea whatsoever how the equal application of justice works. The guy who sat at Pelosi's desk has been charged with 3 federal crimes. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-broke-pelosis-office-charged-185400461.html Raz Simone, the Warlord of CHAZ, whose CHAZIs overran a police precinct, claimed sovereignty over American land, denied Americans their civil rights, and then killed a 16 year old boy and erased all evidence, has not been charged with anything related to all of that violence and illegal activity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raz_Simone

Wow this is history repeating itself. It even happened right after Bernie lost the Primary again. Did the Russians involved in this incident receive money covertly from the Dems through Perkins Coie again? Did the FBI commit any more crimes to facilitate this data breach? Will Eric Swallwell, the Dem on the House Intel Committee whose campaign bundler was a Chinese spy, get to the bottom of this? Will Adam Schiff give America the truth about what happened Beave? I bet that you still trust him, don't ya Beave? So compelling. I just gotta know what your trusted sources have to say on this matter, as usual.

Was it Russia? How do you know it was Russia? Did you hear that from the same people who got caught lying about Russian collusion after they colluded with Russia themselves? Do you know for sure that the Dems and the FBI didn't collude with Russia again in this instance? Those are rhetorical questions Beave. I obviously don't give a rip what you think, no one with any sense does anymore.

They were bayoneted for sure. Oh wait, nothing actually happened. How many of the BLMers who took over the Seattle precinct and started CHAZ were bayoneted sap? How many went to jail? They set up their own police force and operated for 3 weeks, and in that span of time they murdered a child, critically injured a younger child, and hid the evidence. Was anyone charged for any of that? No? Were you furious? No? Do you even know the name of the kid who was killed? No? You're a hypocrite sap. Don't pretend to care about rioting and crimes against the state now. You're in no position to claim to be a 'law and order' guy.

For the 50th time, you said that the POTUS said "March on Washington" and that was a lie. A distinction without a difference is like "walk to Washington" vs "strut to Washington". pəˈtādō pəˈtadō. A distinction with a massive difference is "March to Washington" and "March on Washington". Go there, attack there. I don't have to exonerate him, I just proved that you were a liar trying to implicate him in something that he didn't do.