WestCanMan

"Can I get a side of fiasco with my McDebacle." Cashier: "Supersize?" "Do you have 'epic', or 'generational'?" Cashier: "Do you mean Biden-sized, sir?" "yeah" In all honesty, they just need to keep their pants down and take whatever's coming, because anything that Biden does will just make things worse.

But, what about Nancy's 'science'?

Right. That debunked data.

I started a thread for this, secure in the knowledge that terrorism would run rampant during the reign of the feckless dolt. https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/at-least-72-killed-in-kabul-airport-attack-canadian-military-members-uninjured-1.5561869 12 more Americans killed by terrorists. Islamic state is emboldened as well. In other news, Al Qaeda just changed their name back to 'Al Qaeda', after briefly being known as: "The benevolent group that doesn't exist anymore and DEFINITELY does not have a leader".

LMAO. Like what, for example? There are 200,000 illegal immigrants being apprehended at the border now. Do you know how expensive that is compared to a wall? The US just handed over $83B in weapons to the Talis. The US just had their second major terrorist attack against them since Biden has been Prez. There was only 1 in 4 years under Trump. Violent crime, gun crime and murders are spiking in almost every major US city. The US is such a dumpster fire right now that no one is even talking about homelessness or Fentanyl deaths. Wrong. The fact that the US is there and the fact that Biden turned the withdrawal into the biggest fiasco in US military history are two entirely separate issues. It's a dumpster fire. You don't have to wait until it's put out to see if it was a dumpster fire. The only thing that's happening right now is that things are going from worstest to worstestest (and to think that my English is still better than Biden's). They were dormant while Trump was hunting their leaders like dogs. No one was advertising their location and plans while Trump was POTUS. Now they're making friends with China and talking to the POTUS like he's their naughty child. Sounds a lot like: "They were able to execute their plans quite quickly as soon as Biden took over." Because it's the exact same, and totally true.

Whoa, that's some tough talk. The Talis must be shitting their gowns.

That's an incredibly high number of vaxed people to get sick in that time frame. 481 half or fully vaxed, vs 253 unvaxxed. Delta's curveball is apparently quite awesome. Hopefully it's slider and 4-seam are below average.

That data was debunked. It started on Dec 14th, the day of the first vaccinations there, so there were almost zero dbl-vaxed Cnadians for 33% of the timeline for that study.

Who the F are you to start calling people names now Argus? Ever since you got your alt-leftist star (who finally managed to brainwash you?) you suddenly seem to feel like you're in a position to look down on people. Pretty weird for a guy who gets sucked in by disinformation on a daily basis to be acting superior, but that's the leftist way I guess.

Maybe DeSantis is hiding 12,000 covid deaths. Isn't that something that governors do?

You don't have any cites at all showing that antibodies don't work. The only cites I see here are people showing how many more unvaxxed people died than dbl-vaxxed people, from back when there were zero dbl-vaxxed people. FYI that's not an example of a stat, it's an example of disinformation.

Cue the Karens: "ANTIBODIES DON'T WORK! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! YOUR COVID DISINFORMATION IS KILLING PEOPLE!"

What kinds of conditions were on the list? Do they tell you that you shouldn't take the vaxx if you have them? If things like emphysema are there then it's basically just a covid death list.

Is this really legit? Do you have a source for that? If Big Pharma's lobbyists are force-vaccinating all of the strongest people 12 and up, and specifically leaving out the only people in the population who were actually at risk of dying, they could vaxx us all with Saline and their vaxxes would look bulletproof. They'd be guaranteed a massive success rate. I thought that the point of the vaxxes was to give the weakest people a fighting chance, not to use them as a cannon fodder to make their vaccines look good.

So 70% are fully vaxxed, 5% are single-vaxxed, 15% are kids under 12, that's 90% of the population right there. Of the remaining 10%, as many as 50% of them are unvaxxed with underlying conditions for whom the vaxx is not recommended.... It seems like Big Pharma is really stacking the deck to make their vaxxes look good. "We won't allow the people who are probably going to die to take the vaxx, and we will force the absolute healthiest people who have almost no chance of dying to vaccinate, and that way the vaccine stats will show: a massive number of people who are vaxxed who don't get sick a small number of people who aren't vaxxed, but close to 50% of them will be the most vulnerable LMAO, they're very good at something. I could inject saline into people like that and come out with very promising stats.

If the government of Ontario has some stats for fully-vaccinated people vs unvaxxed, starting at the beginning of June when there were actually a lot of dbl-vaxxed Ontarians, and they clearly define what they mean by 'unvaxxed', I'll give them some credibility. (I doubt that they want to use those stats though because "Delta threw them a curve.") Right now there are several million 'dbl-vaxxed' Canadians whose vaccination status can be moved into whichever box a statistician wants, based on what outcome they are trying to achieve. People who were vaxxed with 1Pfizer and 1Moderna, or were vaxxed twice with the same meds but the time between vaccinations was double or triple the recommended timeline, could be counted with dbl-vaxxed if it's convenient, or partially-vaxxed if it's not. IE they can include those people in the fully-vaxxed category to inflate that number, but not counted with the dbl-vaxxed if their infection rates are too high. It sounds ridiculous to accuse the government of cheating so blatantly, but the last stats that they put out were a pack of lies. They need to be very meticulous about calculating their stats properly and very precise about who is recorded in what category based on their varying vaxx statuses.

Yes. Why else do you think that posters here cite links to things like "a 59 yr-old man in London with no underlying conditions died of covid"? How is that a story if it's normal here?

If you think that what I said was wrong then why don't you try to do that with numbers instead of just blathering? People keep posting stats here that don't say what they think they say. They're getting lied to and they have no f'ing clue, just like you still don't understand. Citizen-2015 - try to follow: counting the number of fully vaxxed who were hospitalized or died from covid between Dec 2020 and March 2021 is like counting the number of unvaxxed who died between 1986 and 2010. Try to find any miscalculations within the following blatantly skewed stats: "Between 1986 and 2010, out of 7 billion unvaccinated people, no one died of covid. The Case Infected Rate and Mortality Rate for 14 years were both zero. [You get that I was correct, even though the stat was totally bogus, right?] In 2021 alone, tens of thousands of dbl-vaxxed people across the planet have died or ended up in hospitals with covid. [Again, that's 'correct', but cherry-picking stats full of misleading/retarded data doesn't prove anything aside from dishonesty]. Over 80% of the people in Israel are vaccinated against covid and their numbers are spiking right now. The vaccines are clearly to blame." Do you see how all of the 'calculations' there are accurate, but the skewed timeline makes them useless? You guys are quoting stats that are blatantly stupid and completely useless. In this case the government of Ontario put the stats out there, and they even contain the truth in the fine print at the bottom, but the numbers at the top of the page are all that the peons are supposed to look at. "Don't think, peons. Mange, mange, mange!"

Big Pharma: "Babe Ruth had 700 home runs before Barry Bonds even got his first RBI. Therefor, Babe Ruth is 1,216.3x better." The covid Karens: "Whoa. Babe Ruth was 1,216.3x better."

Wow. Just like covid. What a coincidence.

I'm glad that they acknowledged that dbl-vaxxed people are still dying from covid, but I still hate the fact that they're intentionally being misleading with their stats. For all I know, they might only be including people who got two doses of the same medication at the exactly prescribed interval, which again, is almost no one in Canada. People here got 'one of these and one of those', or if they got two of the same it was sometimes after 3-4 months instead of the 42 days or whatever was recommended. If those people don't count as 'dbl-vaxxed' then dbl-vaxxed could mean <50,000 people for all I know.

It wasn't an 'article'. It was satire. Like reading the Onion or Babylon Bee. https://www.theonion.com/vaccine-skeptic-does-own-research-by-enrolling-45-000-f-1847556258 I love that they used the New England Journal of Medicine instead of the Lancet for their little joke. Wonder why?

I don't blame you for getting that stat from there, seems like a normal thing to do, but it's a bit misleading because no one in Canada was vaccinated at the start of their quoted time frame: Between Dec 14th and January 31st (or so, that's if they went 31 days between shots, but that's just my guess, I don't know how long it's supposed to be) it is actually impossible for there to have even been a single 'breakthrough case'. Breakthrough cases only occur in people who get covid more than 14 days after the second dose: I think that they recommend the second dose after 42 days? And in any event most Canadians got the second shot well after it was recommended. In reality, there were probably zero fully vaccinated Canadians until mid-February, and only a few thousand by the end of that month. So, for 1/3 of the time frame specified, the total number of breakthrough cases actually had to be zero. The stat is intentionally misleading. They might as well have a stat for how many goals NBA players scored in the NHL during that time frame and try to act as if it somehow means something. Knowing that their stats are intentionally skewed makes me wonder just how accurate any of their other information is. If they want people to trust the vaccines then they should put out stats that are legitimate. These stats are 100% guaranteed to be purely illegitimate.

Yes, double-vaxxed people still die, from covid. Check it. Did you honestly not know that after all this time?

Do you have any adult words to add to the thread Bubber? Do you have some stats that show young, healthy people are dying or getting extremely sick from covid? You know that the normal seasonal flu kills about 40-300 kids a year in the US alone? Covid deaths in children without pre-existing conditions is virtually zero. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-idUSN1223579720100212 Swine Flu killed 1,800 American children in 2009. Do you understand that dbl-vaxxed people are still getting and spreading C19?