WestCanMan

Don't put words in my mouth. Some of the health measures are not unreasonable. I know that wearing masks isn't entirely effective, but I think that in any event it will help somewhat, and even if it just 'might' help, it's a small thing to ask. People over 80 should definitely be vaccinated, but in their instance, they should be able to identify the strong need for extra protection and they will almost all choose to get vaxed. If their vax rate hits 95% then that's enough imo. People between 5-30 could opt to get vaccinated, but the vaccine isn't likely to confer any benefits on them, and they will still spread covid if they're exposed to it, so why should it be mandated for them? Why should there be undue pressure on them to take a chance with the vaxes?

You still have some answering to do blackbird. You're in no position to be throwing around grand accusations when you're backing the only people that we know for sure are liars.

The gov't and MSM are coming at freedom folks with accusations of white supremacism, misogyny, denial of science, fascism, violent extremism, violations of the sanctity of dead soldiers' graves, debasing Terry Fox statues, etc. You want to just ignore their high-handed enforcement of known lies? No thanks. The MSM might not ever cover it, but it's important for people to remember the length and breadth of this issue when they're holding their ground.

That's all just bluster. Vaccinated people are getting as sick as anyone else right now. Over 500 'fully protected' people have died in Canada in the last month. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-vaccination-status/ In late Dec there were 981 deaths by fully vaxed, now there are over 1,500. I don't have to tell you that they lie. You know that they lie. Is H2H occurring? Is it really racist and stupid to consider that a BSL4 lab was the source of the virus, and not a wet market? The vaccines were promised to be safe before we got them. Why isn't the J&J vax here anymore? The Pfizer and Moderna jabs are both KNOWN to cause myocarditis. Is J&J what you'd call "safe"? Pfizer? Moderna? When you watch Global, CTV and CBC you're told that kids need to be vaxed to fight of covid, but that's a lie too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/ Only 27 people from 10,000,000 under-20s in this country died so far. Does that scream "we need to vaccinate these people!" to you? Would you take a vax with serious side-effects to avoid a 27/10,000,000 chance of dying? Cars are 50x as dangerous for kids. If your kid needs a vax, they should never go in a car. I don't "think" that the government is lying. I know it, and I just proved it. Don't ever sit there and act like you don't know whether or not the gov't is lying to you about this. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to believe them right now. I'm saying that stats don't lie. If you think that my stats are a lie then find "the true stats" blackbird. Let's see what stats you can find that shows a whole shwack of young, healthy dead Canadians under 20. It's put up or shut up time.

The mandates are just one part of the overall lying narrative that we've consistently dealt with re: covid.

I intended to make you look foolish, and here you are, still not understanding what I wrote. I didn't read most of that but I know what it's worth. Just remember that you're the guy who came out in support of fascism just yesterday: your opinions aren't worth anything. You can't support a bit of fascism and then complain about other fascism. It's just like when people support a bit of rioting, arson, looting and murder and then decry other instances which are similar. You either believe that a crime is a crime is a crime or you're not fit to weigh in on the topic. What difference does 'transparency' make to people who won't acknowledge the truth anyways? People who said that the Afghan withdrawal was a smashing success, that Trudeau managed covid like a champ, or that the riots were "mostly peaceful" could watch a video of Trudeau raping a 13 yr old and it won't make a lick of difference to them.

At the beginning of the pandemic, when there was only covid in China, we were told that "H2H transmission isn't occurring" and not to wear masks, not to block travel from China. Our MSM supported all of that and acted like Trump was a loser for going against them, and then when the facts came out on Trump's side the apologies never followed. A week after they shut down the airports here the assaults on our own freedoms started. We weren't even allowed to walk outside in provincial parks in BC at first, then schools were closed, gyms and restaurants were closed, now there are vaccine mandates and blatant hate mongering against the unvaxed. Covid has been a mismanaged debacle from the very start and the contradictions are endless but the one thing that has been consistent from the start is that we have always been railroaded towards vaccines as the only possible treatment. Everything else was declared "dangerous and ineffective" before it was even tried, and the vaccines were always considered to safe and effective, both before they went through trials and after people started suffering extremely serious side effects. Our government believes that they can lie to us over and over and still expect us to believe them. Sorry Mr Trudeau but we're not all lefmmings.

You just used the word 'vaxed' incorrectly. At best it's 'slightly boosted'.

By the rhetoric of our PM, no less. "Unvaxed people are very often racists and misogynists, they're taking up space, and we need to think about whether or not to tolerate them." What a piece of shit he is. The MSM likes to ignore the fact that Trudeau's own comments are a big part of the reason that so many people are involved in the convoy. For sure people are mentioning it when they're interviewed, but those comments will never see the light of day on Global, CTV and CTV. Those guys are just fishing for the weakest comments they can find.

You used the word vaccinate correctly in that sentence, because you referred to actual vaccinations. IE, shots that give immunity to a disease. The covid shots don't give immunity at all, they only give slim to moderate protection. You're also comparing covid, which killed 20 kids in two years, after 10M Canadian kids were exposed to it, to disease with very high mortality rates. You might as well be comparing the need for seatbelts in a dragster with the need for seatbelts on a big wheel tricycle.

Being shut out from society is actually a serious thing. If you shut people out because of their skin colour or religion you'd understand, but you are vaxed so you think that this is ok. It's not just Chuck E Cheese, it's life. My son was invited to play in a baseball tournament in Las Vegas this winter and we had to say no because he wasn't vaxed. It's a very big deal. Please grow up, and learn to speak like an adult.

Can unvaccinated children fly on planes or eat in restaurants? No. So it's not the parents who decide.

LOL. You were right for once, even if you only have your lack of understanding of the English language to thank for it. If that's true then where's your defence of force-vaxing children? Surely you must have some great evidence to trot out if "the overwhelming majority of experts in the field support vax mandates". Tell us why we should vaccinate children, C2015.... Be the one leftist here that even makes an attempt at it.

You're right, it's not a cold at all, but it's also not a raging pandemic which justifies the forced vaccinations fo 5-30 yr olds. There's not a single leftist dolt here that has ever even attempted to defend the the cause of force-vaxing children, let alone said anything remotely convincing. None of you have the balls to say one sentence in defence of force-vaxing kids aside from "Global News said so!" or "I think that by vaxing children you increase the chances of my 80 yr-old ass surviving!" But even at that, there's no attempt to quantify such a statement. It stands as a shameless attempt to use children as a meat shield for the elderly folks who own TV stations.

You're quoting Global stooges ffs. LMAO! They just did a ten minute long hit-piece on a protest with tens of thousands of people, based solely on the fact that a couple of people put some flags in a Terry Fox statue's hand and a sign that says "Freedom Convoy". "OH THE SHAME! THIS IS A TRAVESTY! LOOK, THE MAYOR OF PORT COQUITLAM IS BUTT-HURT, AND HE IS THE SOLE CUSTODIAN OF TERRY FOX'S LEGACY! [He's actually not, he's just a random dipshit] THE CONVOY IS FULL OF HORRIBLE PEOPLE!" Global news didn't spend the vast bulk of their coverage of the riots in the US focusing on "the few people who were doing the looting, arson, assaulting people and killing people" but they tried to vilify the whole trucker convoy, which was 99.999999% entirely peaceful and orderly, because of a flag in Terry Fox's hand. Their bias, hypocrisy and stupidity is through the roof. The fact that you're quoting Global News is a serious condemnation of your intelligence and decency. You might as well be quoting Mein Kampf.

A go fund me guy might have said that the liberal party has islamists in it. That's not actually untrue, there's one Omar Alghabra there who is credibly accused of being a terrorist supporter: https://thecjn.ca/news/canada/islamist-allegations-surface-after-mp-given-key-role/ Let's be honest, someone with Alghabra's hideous political views has no place in Canada's government, let alone a cabinet position. That's just as bad as a having a KKK member serving in the Liberal party. But I'll go ya one better. Here's Jagmeet Singh with some bigots/terrorists, acting like it's the most normal thing in the world. Is Jagmeet Singh really in a position to be calling the integrity of other Canadians into question? The answer is no. It's a joke that our newspapers give him credibility as a humanitarian. Terrorism is no more acceptable than racism. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/as-jagmeet-singh-condemns-terrorism-second-video-shows-him-speaking-alongside-sikh-separatist

Surely you realize that your post is nothing more than the unsubstantiated opinion of a random internet poster, right? Those are some extremely serious and well-supported accusations of bigotry against a leader of a Canadian political party and you wanna come back with "I think his bigotry was ok"? You realize that's not a contribution to the thread in any way, shape or form, right? It's the equivalent of someone posting "Me think Twudo bad." Grab a glove and get in the game MH.

You saw what was there. It had it's intended effect ? Yeah I'm pretty happy with the accuracy of my posts. They stand the test of time. Can you say the same? Don't think so. Thanks for comin' out. Your support of hate mongering and fascism is duly noted, but your attempt to justify it was doomed to fail from the start, because hate mongering is never actually good. I actually just feel sorry for you.

Don't talk about me behind my back eyeball. You got busted lying and weaselling again today, and I apologize for speaking to you like a child, but that's life. Bring some adult material next time and I'll try to be kinder.

So you said that Trump said "march and fight" but you still haven't provided a link that quotes him saying that. Were you lying again eyeball? Honestly it's no big deal anymore. You lie all the time. Here's a Trump quote for your own article, if you'd like help understanding it I'm here to help. Ooooh, sounds like insurrection talk, right buddy? I know that I'd probably bring Apache helicopters and stealth fighters if I heard such dreadful talk. (That was just a joke. Don't take that seriously. I don't own any Apache helicopters or stealth fighters eyeball. No one in Canada does.)

I was just making fun of you. The asterisk goes with this sentence from the bottom of the post. "* unsubstantiated within the context of this thread, but fully explained in other threads. No matter how hard I try I can't quite find it in me to lie like a leftist. " I wasn't lying, I was just making fun of you. It went over your head, like almost everything else. I underestimated your stupidity, but in all fairness I don't read many of your posts. Trudeau's comments meet/exceed the threshold of hate speech by falsely ascribing negative character attributes across a wide group of people. Your defence of his hate speech meets/exceeds the threshold of being an acolyte of a hate monger. What you fail to understand is that there's a starting point for hatred and division, not just a sudden boiling point. Frog... cold water... boiling... death. Interestingly enough, that was the whole point of my critique of the way we talk about the holocaust. You're the exact type of person who feels like they are against fascism, but when presented with the opportunity to engage in it, you participate willingly because you don't recognize the starting point. FYI Hitler didn't just tell people to hate/kill Jews one morning and they all ran out and did it. It started off with the exact same kind of hate speech that you and Trudeau are fond of. Cute hate speech, justified by your own ignorance of science. You guys start off with some lies, like calling people racists and misogynists just because they don't take a demi-vax, and create justification for action against those people. Just a bit of intolerance at first. How bad is intolerance, really? You're just stripping people of the right to participate in society and hold jobs, right? That's not fascist, right eyeball? Actually, it is. Don't worry, your misguided sense of moral superiority and intelligence won't take a hit here because all of this was over your head too.

Here's more of the speech, for more context:

1) Your post was actually very thoughtful and unbiased, I think that you did a good job of presenting the pros of that 'subreddit'. 2) Jesse Watters is hilarious. He got his big start by doing on the street interviews and eliciting the kind of responses that he drew from that guy. "So do you aspire to do anything more than dog-walking or is that kind of your... your pinnacle?" Lol, classic Jesse.

Can you provide some direct quotes for these comments? I really have no idea what you're going on about.

Where's the part where I theoretically said "in order to sway leftists to understand these things it's necessary to throw in some unsubstantiated* accusations and character assassinations."? LMAO, you're insane. Au contraire. When people use nazi/fascist tactics it's actually important to draw the parallel. That is an example of bigotry. That is an example of fascist hate speech. That is an example of a vax-Nazi. Your assertion that we should ignore that kind of thing, or put a bow on it, or try to give him the benefit of the doubt is the exact same thing that bystanders in Germany did. The bystanders in Syria and Iran did that. The bystanders in Rwanda did that. The bystanders in China, Russia, Armenia, Cambodia, Uganda, Pakistan/India did that. Canada is no better than any of those places when we allow hate speech to flourish, and you have to nip hate speech in the bud. You can't wait until there's a machete-wielding mob to start asking people to tone down the rhetoric. You're late to condemn the hate speech and you should ask yourself if it's because you like the hate speech.