WestCanMan

Most Canadians are like you. It's because of people like you that our government is getting away with forcing people who don't need a vaccine to take a useless pseudovaccine with harmful side-effects.

Does it affect big pharma's profits if pregnant women take the vaccine? Nah. Tam: "Force those bitches to vaccinate Mr Prime Minister." With the power of hindsight..... There was no vaccine until the very end of the Trump Presidency, so the number of people double-dosed was basically zero. There are over 100M Americans 2xed under Biden, yet more people died of covid under Biden than Trump. To say that the vaccines aren't working is an understatement. By far the biggest effect that the vaccines have had is on the bank accounts of people working for big pharma. Note that I didn't say 'employees'.

1) I hear you, but to what extent does the rest of the country need to bend to extend lives by 1 week? Is the rest of the country doing anything to prevent Fentanyl deaths, which rob people of 30-40 years of life? In a lot of areas there are more Fentanyl deaths than covid deaths. In BC there are as many as 200 fentanyl deaths per month. On avg there have been 116 covid deaths/month in BC since Feb of 2020. BC Gov't: "OMG, COVID IS KILLING 110 PPL PER MONTH!!!!!! LOCK SHIT DOWN! KILL INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS! SET UP A SURVEILLANCE STATE!" BC Gov't: "Fentanyl is killing 150 people per month? Like, for real? Who knew? Does anyone care?" ***crickets chirping nervously, wondering if they can get covid*** 2) Back to covid - travel restrictions and banning cultural events on the scale that we have been doing it is actually a really big deal, but then when you also consider forced closures of churches & businesses, the emergence of social credit scoring apps (vaccine passports), and firing people for not taking the vax, etc, it's ridiculous now how hard we're fighting covid. 3) When you were younger you carried the flu virus, spread it, and people much older than you died of it. You never thought about it back then, but for certain there are a lot of people who died from flu viruses that replicated in your lungs. 4) If the "vaccines" actually worked, and if they had no dangerous side effects, then this wouldn't even be a topic because we'd all be taking them, but the vaccines aren't working or the % of Canadian covid deaths that are triple-vaxed wouldn't be the same as the % of triple-vaxed in our population. And there are dangerous side-effects. 5) This is not a case of taking the vaccines to fight covid, this is a case of big pharma's massive influence over our msm, doctors and politicians. It's not like there aren't doctors, journalists and politicians speaking out, they just face cancellation. Big Pharma also makes money from Fentanyl deaths, so mum's the word.

I know exactly what you mean when you say "underlying data". You're looking for the part that says "but, but but....." There's a reason why covid and vaccines aren't big news right now, it's because the data doesn't flatter the vaccines. Soon there will be a big splash and the announcement of a shinier vax and all the sycophants will rejoice as they roll up their sleeves for some more $80,000/L water. Statista got their stats from: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html You can sniff around there to find the reasons why 3xers are dying at basically the same rate as everyone else. Look in the "But, but, but...." section.

Take your argument up with statista. Compiling stats is literally their only job. Maybe they suck at it. You get to the bottom of it for us, ok?

It's really weird that I can explain something to you so many times and yet the simple math of it still eludes you, huh?

Triple-vaxed people are dying, yup. Who'da thunkit? 52.5% of the Canadian covid deaths come from 3xers now. 54% of the population here is 3xers.

@Oksanna It's really weird how you look at a whole post full of stats and information and seize on the least relevant part of it for a reply. 52.5% of the covid deaths n Canada from the last few weeks came from 3xers. 54% of the population is 3xers. Discuss.

Israel has a relatively low population, so they were able to quickly pseudovax a large portion of their people. For that reason the eyes of the world were on them, and the vaccines' successes were supposed to become readily apparent there before anywhere else. But instead of being Pfizer's coming out party (half of the people in Israeli ICUs wound up being double-vaxxed), it just turned into another back-peddling session by Fauci - the "people will get really sick but they won't die" one.

? wasn't a big deal anyways, I just went full drama queen. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/45-28-0001/2020001/article/00087-eng.htm I think that the majority of people who "died of covid" were already walking on the edge of their grave and covid just gave them a nudge. 80% of covid deaths are among 70+, and people that old who have dementia aren't long for this earth. My father-in-law didn't last half a year after he had full-blown dementia.

There's no squinting and wild-eyed assumptions necessary. The data is right there, plain and simple, for all to see. But most people, you included, find the meaningful data too hard to extract from that page. It actually takes patience, and the power of observation, but once you know how what to look for it's plain. Maybe that's why it's even allowed to be out there. The page's creators expect people to quickly glance at that graph, just like you did, and say "OMG look how many unvaxxed deaths are compared to vaxed deaths! And just think how many more vaxed than unvaxed there are! This graph is conclusive proof that the vaccines are working! It IS a pandemic of the unvaxxed, and I'm one of the ones in the know now!" You looked at it multiple times, with a full explanation each time, and it probably took you 6 trues to get it. The gov't of Ont put out a similar data set, comparing vaxed outcomes with unvaxed outcomes, and using a timeframe which included all of the data from the 2020/'21 flu season (when every single person in Ont was unvaxed) until the middle of summer (when the flu is traditionally near-dormant and the number of dbl vaxed had exceeded the unvaxed). The data is saying the same thing that the early data from Israeli ICUs showed. The truth, but an uncomfortable proof which needed to be hastily undermined. It's saying the same thing that Fauci was really saying in this quote: "Delta threw us a curve." (inside voice - the vaxes aren't doing what we said they would). I started with this conclusion: covid deaths are obviously what we care about the most, especially the ones in Canada, so it's important to find that information. I had to find out for myself who was dying, in terms of age, vax status, and how much of a factor underlying health conditions played. You can do with that info what you will, interpret it how you want, and draw whatever conclusions you want for yourself personally, but if you post disinformation here I'll stomp it out.

Then Pfizer and Moderna are overachieving at a never-before-seen-pace, seeing as there are only 7.8B people on earth. Damn, that's a lot of propaganda gobbling. Not sure where you're going with that? Are you saying that maybe covid death tolls are overinflated? Or that healthy people don't need the psedovax?

I'm looking at the dat set for Canada. What else would I look at? What's more important than "Who's dying in Canada"? As for your less important stats, I don't really care what the known liars are saying. If you don't think they're liars, just look at their laundry list of lies: They told us that the vaccines would get us to herd immunity when 70-80% of us were vaxed. Then when we got to 80% they said that herd immunity was never a realistic goal, and that they never told us that the vaccines would get us there. They said that the vaccines would be safe. That was a big lie. They said that "people might get sick, but not a s sick". Lie They said that no one would end up in ICU. Lie. They said no one would die. That's the biggest lie possible. Now they have back-peddled all the way from "The vaccines will be safe, effective and get us to herd immunity" to "Ok, 80% of the covid deaths in Canada are from vaccinated people, but if you look really closely at this dodgy data, you can see how 80% of the covid deaths should be coming from vaccinated people. That's proof that it's really working! Great job people. I'm giving you a very well-earned pat on the head."

No, they are not. Did you not read my post? Did you look at the stats or are you retarded? 52.5% of the deaths come from 3xers. 54% of the population is 3xers. It's weird like that.

Why can't you even discuss the fact that 52.5% of covid deaths in Canada are from 3xers? And 3xers make up 54% of the population? Why do you have to run from the only meaningful discussion about covid here?

If you want to spin a silly narrative, just do what Oksana does: quote some propagandists. You're quoting public health Ontario, the group that was already discredited for publishing covid vaccine success stats based on data that they collected between Dec 14 2020 and Aug 7th 2021. IE, data that contained an entire flu season when all 14M people in Ont were unvaxxed and which only contained data for double vaxed people for a very short period of time, all of which was during the summer months. If I post some vax stats for 3xers and 2xers from flu season and compare it to unvaxxed stats from the summer what do you think I will find Oksana? I'm looking at the most relevant data sets on earth for Canadians. I'm looking at the place where the rubber meets the road. 52.5% of Canadians who died of covid between March 27th and April 10th were 3xers. 54% of Canadians are 3xers. That's a pretty strong correlation.

I'm going on what was promised to us. Safe and effective vaccines that would get us to herd immunity, and we had to take them as soon as they were available. Then they were mostly safe drugs that worked really well, and we had to take them! Then they just kind a safe and worked ok, but did the job, and we had to take them! Now they don't really work and people who don't need them have to take them anyways. 52.5% of the Canadians who died of covid between March 27 and April 10 were triple-vaxed. 54% of Canadians are triple-vaxed. I see a pattern there.

There are three photos attached: a graph showing the totals from Nov 27 2021, one from March 27th, and one from April 10th. Unvaxed vs both: Nov 27 there were 7,861 "unvaxed" deaths. That number went up by 1,650, to 9,511, by April 10th, the second photo. Nov 27 there were 981 "fully protected" deaths. That number was split into 2xers and 3xers by Apr 10, and the total number on that date was up by 3,624 to 4,605 (2,770 dbl-vaxxed and 1,835 triple-vaxed). So in that time frame there were 3,624 fully protected deaths and 1,650 unvaxxed. The ratio of unvaxed deaths look higher, but what we don't know, which is the only thing that really matters, is "what is the total number of very vulnerable people in each group?" You need to understand that the 27 yr olds in each group don't matter - we know that they won't die, so they just pad the stats for their own group. It's worth noting that the government is forcing those people to vax. Unvaxed vs 2x boosted and 3x boosted: March 27 to Apr il 10th: Unvaxed = 85 (9426 to 9511) Died during waiting period after 1st vax = 2 1xers = 6 2xers = 105 (2665 to 2770) 3xers = 219 (1616 to 1835) That's 417 ttl. FYI only 20.4% of them were unvaxxed. There are 2.6 times as many 3x-vaxxed deaths as unvaxxed in that time frame. Theoretically 54% of Canadians are 3xers and 10% of Canadians are unvaxxed. If there were 5.4x as many unvaxed then there would be the same number unvaxed as 3xers, and there'd be approx (85 x 5.4) =459 unvaxed deaths. That's only 2.1 x as many, not nearly 20x as high as your supposed stats claimed is the case. So, when you watch the news tonight and they say "X NUMBER OF PEOPLE DIED TODAY, THIS IS A PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED!", just remember that approximately 20.4% of those people were unvaxxed, 25.2% were dbl vaxed, and 52.5% were triple vaxed. Or that 79.2% of the covid deaths were among vaxed people. Did you see that last part? Between March 27th and April 10th 79.2% of covid deaths were among the fully vaxxed.

OMG. The data that I had showed what I told you it did. You chose to look at the total, which goes back to a flu season where there were 38M unvaxed and zero vaxed.

Close. What I'm explaining to you is that the period starts in Dec 14 2020, a time when there were zero people in Canada vaccinated. Zero. On January 1 2021 there was a minuscule number of people who had the first dose and went through the waiting period, but for all intents and purposes Canada was 99% unvaccinated from Dec 14 to Jan 14. Add the 45-day waiting period or whatever for the second vax (iirc we did a 3-month wait here) and the very first select group of Canadians with a second dose came on the scene in mid-February, their waiting period to be protected by the second dose ended in Early March. For all intents and purposes, there were close to 38M unvaxxed Canadians for the entire flu season of 2020/'21. That's why, when you look at the chart which shows the deaths by vax status from Dec 14 2020 to March 27 2022, the unvaxxed are so much higher. It contains a full flu season when there were basically 38M unvaxxed people, 0 double-vaxed and zero triple-vaxed. Aside..... The government of Ontario released a thoroughly bogus study covering the timeframe starting during the 20/21 flu season (all 14M Ontarians were unvaxxed on day 1) and ending on Aug 7th, when the number of dbl-vaxxed had finally surpassed the number of unvaxxed. The "study" tried to make the case that unvaxxed people were far worse off, but almost every single second of their collective exposure to covid came in the summer. It was basically: unvaxxed during flu season vs double-vaxxed in the summer. COMPLETELY bogus. The only way that I have found to compare how many unvaxxed vs double- and triple-vaxxed deaths there are is to compare the new numbers to old numbers that I took screenshots of. I have a screenshot from Nov 27 2021, that was the first one I took. At first I thought that it was mid-Dec data, because that was when I found it. I failed to note the end date in the graph's title. Anyhow, if you listen to the news they always talk about "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" and daily deaths, they never mention the fact that if 20 people died of covid today that, statistically speaking, probably only 6 of them were unvaxxed. If they do acknowledge the fact that some vaxxed people died they say "but the vast majority of them are elderly, with co-morbidities." Uhhhhh, hello? We've known that to be the case since about April of 2020, but for the purposes of fear-mongering the media never mentions it about the unvaxxed. Over 80% of the covid deaths in Canada are among people 70 and over, and almost all of them had underlying medical conditions. Literally everything that we get from the media and gov't is complete propaganda.

I already provided you with incontrovertible evidence. The best that you can do is look to propaganda from other countries. In this case you've chosen to look to the country that profits the most from making the vaxxes, who lied and said that the "vaccines" would be safe and effective, and from the administration that brought us the Russian collusion witch hunt, Ukrainian collusion witch hunt, war in Ukraine, whipgate, Fordgate, Burismagate, etc. The United States is a dumpster fire. We're done here.

So one is force and the other isn't? Grab a dictionary fool, I'm not your mom.

It's drama to you because you d-g-a-f about other people's lives. You watch the CBC's propaganda and then you click your heels and turn off the tube. You're done. "Opinion received, sir! I'll start engaging in disseminating this [dis]information as soon as I get to my computer." Some of us really hoped that the vaccines worked so that we could get on with our lives, but I knew long before you did that the vaccines weren't good enough to let us get on with our lives. Thousands of people were ending up in ICU right away. There were nasty side-effects that first came out as rumours, then some credible people said them on TV, then statistics finally creeped out of the CDC to confirm what we already knew. The more data that comes in, the more we see that even boosting doesn't work. The vax doesn't work Flyer. Santa isn't real. There's no tooth fairy. Am I going too fast for you?

People who don't like what the stats are showing just love to say "THAT'S A SMALL COUNTRY-SIZED SAMPLE!" Leftists: "The drug trials, done by companies with a vested interested in them, and which we truthfully don't have all the information on, had thousands of people in them. That's a huge sample size. Covid data from Dec 14th 2020 to March 27th 2022, from the entire country of Canada, is a small sample size. The success of the vaccine was proven by the trials that Pfizer and Moderna's buddies held. That is irrefutable!" ? I understand everything about the flu. I'm the one who had to tell you that covid and the flu have seasonal patterns. You just felt like everyone who was 1, 2 or 3x vaxxed had as much exposure to covid as the unvaxxed did between Dec 2020 and now, so I had to set you straight. FYI there is not a small sliver of the population responsible for the vast majority of deaths. It was THE ENTIRE COUNTRY from Dec 14th 2020 until July 2021. ANSWER ME TWO QUESTIONS OKSANA: HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK DIED OF COVID BETWEEN DEC 14 2020 and MAY 21 2021? WHAT % OF PEOPLE WERE UNVAXED, 1Xers, 2xers and 3xers? Just answer those two questions. Super easy question for any adult. You don't have to be super-accurate, just ball park figures.

I don't care about your sites. I showed you sites that prove what's happening in Canada. FYI that's an entire country with 38M people in it, and by far the most relevant place on earth to us. You misinterpreted the data I showed you and now you look stupid now, so you want me to look at propaganda from somewhere else. Go fish. I haven't looked at a single stat from Wisconsin since the beginning of covid. I don't know what they've been saying all along, or when people there started getting vaxied, or when there were a significant number of people single-, double- or triple-vaxied. I don't know what treatments they provide in hospitals and what's banned. I'm not gonna just start researching Wisconsin to find out where their propagandists are fudging the numbers because I don't have to. I have a country-sized data set that I'm well aware of. You could learn from looking at the info that I posted or you can keep your head up your ass, I don't care, but I'm gonna keep posting the truth.