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Actually, according to the below after 8 years in Canada, this federal judge dismissed his case rather quickly with no trial which speak volumes in my opinion. Do you realize this guy filed a refugee claim that was ignored for 8 years! That makes this case worse than the Khadr or Arar case IMO. Here is the latest link I found. http://www.opnlttr.com/letter/pm-stephen-harper-inhumane-falsely-extradited-torture-victim-whistle-blower-gorcyca I heard on the BBC radio show that Amnesty International is filing a $25 million law suit but I don't remember if was for this guy or the Iraqi kids that did not get their organ transplants. BTW... this court order and sworn affidavits are all visible at http://whyunclesamhatesbruce.blogspot.com

Sorry PIK the donations you mention are to Canadians. not foreign nationals. As someone already mentioned in another thread this story does in fact check out if you are willing to visit the Ontario Superior Courthouse and Osgoode Hall to check out the archives, or you can do as I did and just call the attorney of record Solicitor Marshal Drukarsh who confirmed it is all true. The documents you see here are in fact scans of actual court exhibits. http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/international-law-news/89481-did-pm-stephen-harper-violate-torture-treaty-fake-extradition-whistle-blower.html There are even more such scans in a law society complaint you can find at this following link: http://gilmourlawsocietycomplaint.wordpress.com and you will find letters from Toronto General Hospital and patient reports if you scroll down at http://whyunclesamhatesbruce.blogspot.com Sometimes even people we like and support make some really bad moves, and this appears to be one of those.

Well, Stephen got two votes out of me in the past but after I just read this at another forum, I may now have to vote NDP. Btw... this incident combined with with his justification of torture shows me that he has very little ethics and even less compassion for non-Canadian people. "Military veterans had arranged to donate their organs to the maimed children. Harper privately had admitted that the transplants being done in Canada would cause a PR problem for the Americans. So he suggested that the group "find another country" or hire some doctors to go to Iraq, an impossibility since 4 of 5 of Baghdad's hospitals were totally destroyed by America's "smart bombs" and the other surviving hospital was not equipped for transplants. As a result, two of the five children died awaiting the organs awaiting them in Canada. Here is the story http://whyunclesamhatesbruce.blogspot.com "

I guess the ends in this case justifies the means. But we all need to be emailing our friends this link instead of arguing with and preaching to each other.

This forum seems extremely biased towards Conservatives.

What's the alternative? Should we pat them on the back and tell them "Great job on fooling us all - you win!" Give me one reason we should clobber them when caught to the full extent of the law?

Ditto. I'll vote for YOU!

He has no motivation to do so. He knows what's inside and if it was harmless, they would not be sealed in the first place!

Nope. I can't get past 4.

Whooaaa!!!!! Please don't toss me into any group for the convenience of an argument when I never even shared my thoughts or ideas on Confederation. I think our friendship with America is worth keeping but our national identity and sovereign dignity must also be saved - first as a priority. I lived more than a decade in America and see first hand that they simply do not enter any relationship where they are not totally dominate (do it my way or else is how they motivate even their friends) I also spent three years in Europe and Asia and have seen Americans cursed and spit upon in almost every language even in France, Germany, SPain, and Italy (by non-muslim white people) and called "bully" and "terrorist". This would never happen to Canadians (except maybe in muslim countries) and we should keep it this way. People all over the world know we have higher moral standards as a people and they admire and respect us. This reputation is a valuable treasure in the world. We need to be true to our national soul and identity - not to the American dollar. It will soon be quite worthless anyway.

Well, I guess you guys won't be happy until we are the 51st state? Must be all those dang chemicals those American tanker planes spray on us up in BC. Those easterly trade-winds finally brought all that mind-numbing crud down our way!

I am not a JT loyalist but Suzuki is known to have a big head in academic circles

Fooled me too! But then again the only extradition case I ever saw in the media was the Schreiber case. How many people does Canada extradited every year anyway? Do African countries even want their criminals back? I'd be curious to see stats on what countries seek extraditions from Canada. Anyone know or have links?

Reading this thread makes me wonder how many people are going to actually get off their arse and vote. Is 60% a realistic estimate?

Please tell me this is just a nasty rumor fellas? Can you think of a dumber thing to do with our troops? I think the more military independence we keep the better. So long as we remain loyal to NATO we are safe and secure.

I'm white but its been a few years since I was 40. Does my opinion still hold water in Canada? Just teasing here. I think after we cast our ballots those bastards won't give us a second thought until the next election. They all have their own agendas imo and just use us like logs on a fire.

This could be argued either way and since there is an election the candidates will avoid this question like the plague I think. This is an issue that can really divide voters. Personally I still favor abstinence for OPW (Other People's Wars) unless Canada is attacked first. This "preemptive" crap is mostly propoganda imo.