angrypenguin

You do know how free TRADE works right?

What the F is dollaraucracy?

Horvath is basically also saying the same thing for that Hitler supporting NDP bitch. There is a line between black and white, and it's called grey. Then there is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY outside the line. I'm surprised Horvath hasn't fired their sorry asses.

For the record, I despise Trump. The guy is literally the most unfit person to be the world's leader, but that said, I can respect him for trying to get a better deal for his people.

Stephen Harper HARDLY took any direction from the US. Typical left wing whining. You want Canada to be competitive? Well, listen to the center right/right voter then. Let's see, TPP....last I heard the Liberals were against it until they took office. There were, IIRC, over 50 free trade agreements signed and negotiated by the Conservatives, and what, 3, under the previous Liberal governments?

It's easy to bully a drama teacher who hasn't even grown pubic hair yet. Go Trump!

Almost done. Technically speaking the real traitors are the socialists in Canada who voted in Trudeau and potentially the NDP in Ontario.

CBC poll tracker updated. May 31st, 1041am with Forum research poll results. Probability of winning 81.5% Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning a majority 5.6% Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority 8.4% Probability of the NDP winning a majority 3.6% Probability of the NDP winning the most seats but not a majority

News source: https://www.cp24.com/world/u-s-imposing-steel-and-aluminum-tariffs-on-canada-mexico-and-europe-1.3953314 Thoughts? I'm actually quite pleased. Here's why. 1) All of my money is in the US stock market. Pulled out of Canada a few months ago - best decision I ever made. 2) The housing market doesn't affect me anymore, but to a bunch of my friends here in Canada who have mortgages, this should keep the BoC from raising interest rates 3) I despise unions, so this is a middle finger to them as it negatively impacts them 4) Canadian dollar has fallen - and I like this as it's also a middle finger to the federal Liberals.

Thanks, so I know very little about the companies you have posted with one exception which is Air Canada as I lived on their planes for number of years. AC was privatized in 1988. Based on the 1988 election, I believe Mulroney was in power then (or the PCs anyways). I believe AC was sold under a Conservative government, and not sure about the other 3 orgs. What happened in that timeframe? Did the PCs end up selling all of those companies or were they "for them"? Because when I read your post, I believe you are suggesting that Mulroney was hell bent on selling those crown corps, which is in line with Conservative ideology, no?

New poll just released. (not accounted for at the CBC poll tracker as of yet) May 31st, 1023am EST http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2848/ontario-horserace-may-28/

Change us? Yes, agreed. Displace workers? Yes - but that doesn't mean those workers will end up unemployed. Take the fork lift drivers. Prior to the advent of light/med machinery, the only way to move heavy stuff around was by manual labor and pulleys and ropes, then a bunch of those people ended up having to find new jobs - say by using fork lifts. Now, we see fork lift drivers being displaced by those robots in factories that can move things around - well great, then someone has to learn how to program those robots and how to continually improve them. Also, those robots need servicing, and I will make a hypothesis that that is where fork lift drivers will end up working on. In your example, you are comparing a high margin business with very high up front costs to a low-med margin business with much lower up front costs, so you're not comparing apples to apples. Anyways, my whole point on this topic is that it's not black/white and it's not a zero sum game nor do I feel we should take everything to such an extreme. Will we end up with mass unemployment due to technology? No. Will people end up having to retool and to do something else to make a living? Yes, and it's been this way since...oh, well, forever.

Cool - thank you. I wasn't aware of basically anything you posted, which is very interesting and good to note. Do you have any more info regarding the Conservatives and the 80s? That was most shocking to me.

It seems apparent to me that now, more than ever, at least in the province of Ontario, and I could and will make the same argument that in the United States, there seems to be a shift to the more extreme ends of the political spectrum. Ontario: I'm not saying I know why this is happening, but you do see the left going more "let's call it Extreme" left with the vote to the NDP being strong as balls right now. I'm also seeing, after Brown was ousted, that the right seems to be going more to the extreme right. I, for one, am not for carbon taxes and that was a key position in Brown's plan, but I was more than happy with the rest of his platform. That said, Ford abandoned it and is essentially going "far" right when it comes to alleged fiscal conservatism, BUT he is also going far "right" when it comes to spending and lack of apparent fiscal restraint. To me, this is "far" right because of what the US Republicans are doing. In the US, if you're a democrat, the general consensus is you believe in higher taxes and higher spend. If you're a Republican, you generally believe in higher spend and lower taxes. You're basically screwed if you're a fiscal Conservative in the US, and to me, this high spend/low tax mantra is "farther" right than center right, and I'm seeing this in Ontario now. Sorry for the rant. I guess it just dawned on me that if you're center right, you're screwed. You're not allowed to be a blue Liberal nor are you allowed to be a red Tory if you're a member of the Liberals/Conservatives. There doesn't seem to be any moderation with these two parties. I hate the NDP and what they stand for, but at the very least they don't hide it. High tax/high spend, it seems they have their identity sorted out but it sure as hell doesn't seem like the Tories/Grits have figured out what it is they stand for. On a federal level, I'd say the Tories still are center right, but I'm sure someone will challenge me there. I would have argued and I did believe that the Liberals were center left, but they also seem to be skewing farther and farther to the left these days.

What a fantastic post, especially the last paragraph, but I do want to address your first paragraph/question. No, at least not quite. I am putting forward the suggestion that humankind is moving from a position of using machines to servicing it, maintaining it, developing it, controlling it. We see this today, at an albeit primitive level with things like Alexa/Cortana. I can take a random guess in that a few years receptionists will be relegated to a job that once existed, and in another 15-20 years, maybe even higher order administrative assistant type jobs such as Exec Admins. Post industrial revolution, we've been turning to science for some time to improve food yields, and to drive down the cost of food (think GMOs - whether or not anyone is for/against GMOs isn't the point here). We are now seeing cars that are using natural language interface, machine learning, artificial intelligence and this is beyond the fact that we're now approaching Level 4 semi-autonomous driving cars, and maybe in another 10 years we'll hit Level 5. In the early 2000s, the dawn of the internet was born. In in 2010s, we've seriously given cloud computing a boot up the ass and have made some tremendous gains. Brick and mortar stores have been replaced with e-Stores, and I think that as we develop rotors, machines, cloud type stuff, that humankind and the jobs that are associated with it will move further and further into the realm of controlling robots/machines/computers. Back in the 1990s, we humans controlled a bunch of things through Graphical UI, say with Windows 95 and the revelent Apple OS at the time. Now computers have gotten smarter, but we're still in a position of using/leveraging computers. We are still their masters, and in our lifetime I suspect this will still remain.

May 31st projections: http://www.tooclosetocall.ca/2018/05/projections-update-of-may-31st-2018.html

So at what point do the Liberals lose their status as a party in the House? E.g. how many seats does one have to be an official party in the House?

First time I saw this was tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgx32qqbmGw I think Hudak was the PC leader we never deserved. Thoughts?

It is generally important to view anything in life moderately. There will never be a position when robots and such wipe out most labour as we know at, and even if that may happen, it won't happen in our timeframe. But let's humour your example a bit. This did "basically" happen in the industrial revolution when farming wiped out most manual labour with the advent of heavy machinery, but that ultimately spawned a whole new type of work - namely educated mechanical work. Robots won't be able to fix themselves (again, at least in our time on this planet). So best if we take a more moderate approach here. Pure capitalism is extreme, as is pure socialism. The happy balance lies somewhere in the middle. As Conservative as I am, I have not met anyone in my friend space, who is a publicly outed Con or a closet Con who is truly right wing. We all believe in progressive taxation, and we all believe the rich should pay more in taxes. I'm fairly certain that would surprise you and others (we all make over 200K). The general consensus is if the marginal tax rate for our group is at 50%, we'd be fine with that. Does that surprise you given we're all pretty much "capitalist" people? It sure did for me

May 30th info has come in. Two new polls added in the last 27 mins. New info is: 71.9% Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning a majority 11.6% Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority 9.2% Probability of the NDP winning a majority 6.1% Probability of the NDP winning the most seats but not a majority

Speedo only men's day please. #speedolivesmatter

This point of this forum, allegedly, is to have a discussion. If you have nothing worth discussing, why bother chiming in? You want to challenge me on my views? Great - my eyes are open. Challenge them. Lord knows I went from being a hard right fiscal Conservative to a center right one. It's called learning different perspectives and then making up one's mind. Posts like yours offer nothing of value.

If that is your only contribution here why bother?

Explain?

Very well put. Thanks for your insight!