nittanylionstorm07

Your point is? Both the CPC forming the government and the Libs/NDP forming the government are equally legal and constitutional.

Once again, a Con doesn't understand that either a Conservative minority or a Lib/NDP coalition minority will both have to find support from the BQ in order to pass things. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand.

Just a quick addendum... just look at the crime rates in the US or Canada where there is a large amount of Caucasians/whites that are in poverty. It will quickly start looking similar to areas where poverty is similar but there are different ethnic groups.

It's not the fact that they are members of any certain minority group is why they commit a greatly disproportionate amount of crime. It's the fact that they are in poverty, and that those minority groups have a disproportionate percentage of their members in poverty. Poverty breeds crime way more than ethnicity could even imagine. In the US, the problem is that these groups believe that they have no way out of their poverty, and they aren't given enough opportunities to be shown or to assist them in getting out of it. This is the problem with the beliefs of people like you. You can't see beyond the color of people's skin to see what is really going on and where the true problems lie. Most western Muslims do not have the stereotypical beliefs of Muslims... the outspoken minority that are terrorists cover up the silent majority that aren't and don't support them. Calling all Muslims supporters of things of that sort would be like me saying you are a communist because you are from Canada and we all know how left wing/communist Canada is. Doesn't make sense. Tell that to the First Nations people.

Problem with modern day Conservatives: If it isn't on the CPC or various other friendly sites, then it is liberal socialist media academic propaganda.

In the history of the US and Canada, whatever economic or social problems are happening are always given blame to a popular and/or new immigrant or ethnic group by an outspoken minority in the white majority. African Americans, Irish Immigrants, Hispanics, Ukrainian/Russian/East European Immigrants, Muslims, etc. etc. have been cast as scapegoats at various times... but NEVER do these people EVER think about what REALLY caused the economic or social problem that they are giving blame to the immigrants. Why? Because they would rather find a scapegoat than admit that their beliefs on how the economy should work are wrong, and they do a damn good job of convincing themselves consciously and subconsciously that they are in the right. This is the type of attitude that will destroy both countries.

NO ONE cares. Although, how would you feel if after putting up these signs, your wife became a victim of violence targeted because of your outright arrogance/blatant ignorance... then subsequently left you because of it? Would that make you happy? If you honestly feel like you "live in the third world" I invite you to visit inner cities in the US, the rural south, Mexico, and African countries to get a true perspective on just how good you have it... and if you hate it so much, feel free to move to rural Alberta.

I want to add something about threehundredeight.com btw... This is a seemingly great site with great ideas, but I can't get over how much weight he places on Nanos compared to the other polls, and his seat estimates suffer for it.

Eh, other polls are on a spread too, though. His polls in general have been the most out to lunch compared with the other orgs.

Interesting that Nanos is FINALLY showing what other polls have been showing. It's like his polls are delayed by a week.

Precisely. NDP is bleeding Bloc support... ie becoming the dominant federalist alternative party in mainly BQ areas. Liberals are in dying mode in most of Quebec. They'd be lucky to get Justin Trudeau's seat out of this election.

What we do know is that if the NDP places 2nd, then a giant cluster is going to happen. First, Ignatieff would be shown the door quite fast. Second, the Liberals would then have a choice: go into government with the NDP and try to save face, or vote the Conservatives into government. If the latter, they'd be taking a gamble: if the NDP does well as the Opposition, then you can say goodbye to the Liberals being the main left-of-centre party for quite some time. If the NDP falls flat like the ADQ, then they could triumphantly return to power.... but that's one hell of a gamble.

With respect to either 2 or 3, depending on the alignment, either the Libs/NDP or the Cons would be forced to receive Bloc support to pass any of their bills. If 3 happens and the Libs + NDP + Bloc vote down the Con throne speech, the second party will at least have to try to receive the confidence of the house on another throne speech before heading to yet another set of elections.

So the average Canadian would be voting for a Conservative minority? 36-39% of the vote is enough to satisfy that? Sure no one voted for a coalition, but on the other hand, a majority will not support the idea that the Conservatives are deserving of government either. This is how coalitions in Europe work: two parties with similar yet different ideas get a set of votes each. We can say one gets 33% of the vote, and the other gets 19% of the vote. In order to form a government, they combine with 52% of the popular vote behind the combined parties. Sure the 33% won't get *everything* they want, and same for the 19%....however, they get a lot of want they want and are more satisfied with the outcome than if a party with completely different ideas swept into power. The problem in the UK is that "19%" party decided to go into coalition with a "33%" party that had very different ideas of how to run the government... that's why the "19%" party lost most of its base support post election. You can't do that and survive as a party. I'm not sure what is so hard about this for some Canadians (i.e., mainly Tory supporters) to understand. I know coalition governments haven't been commonplace in Canadian history, but that doesn't mean they are either illegal/unconstitutional or wrong. If the Cons were still split with the various iterations of CA/SoCred/Reform/PC parties... I highly doubt their supporters would be complaining as much if any of these formed a coalition with another in order to enter government.

Here are the options for Jack (this knowing that Harper will get the plurality of seats in a minority): If second place: 1. Negotiate with the Liberals as majority coalition partner and vote to reject the throne speech in an attempt to become the government. 2. Become the official opposition and continue to spread message, hoping to become minority government/majority in next election. If third place: 1. Enter in negotiations with Liberals as minority parter in coalition in order to try to prevent Harper from getting into power. 2. Stay at third place and fight for what the NDP believes in. That's it. There is no way in hell they are going to enter into a coalition with the Tories. It would be political suicide for the NDP.

Problem: Layton's base in the NDP would abandon him if he formed a coalition with the Tories. This wouldn't make sense at all for Layton, especially if he vaults to second place, to give Harper majority control. At. All. Just look at the Lib Dems in the UK and where they are now after Nick Clegg sold their souls to the Tories. Sure it was good at first... but that was because the majority wanted Brown/Labour out of power. In Canada, the majority do NOT want Harper/Cons to stay in power.

Not really. At this rate, Jack could see the NDP up to 70+ seats and the Liberals down to the upper 60s. His strategy this election has been phenomenal. Ignatieff won't matter anymore after he's burned at the stake for allowing the Libs to drop to third place.

We may very well be looking at Jack Layton as the 23rd Prime Minister of Canada, not the least thanks to Quebec.

Nominations for local candidates should only be based on votes from the party members who are residents in a particular riding.

1. You are not a Libertarian nor do you understand the meaning of the word. You would find quite the home in a Canadian version of the British National Party (or perhaps you could start speaking French and join the Parti Quebecois). 2. Based on your logic, the only people that should qualify for office are First Nations people, since you and everyone else come from immigrants. 3. Your hate for the Liberals isn't even remotely based on anything reasonable. You are irrational and likely need to seek help. 4. Just how much fish do you have?

At least equal? I'm sorry, did I miss all of the polls showing a 50/50 split between the CPC and other parties combined?

The Liberals and Cons both suck so terribly.

That would probably solidify the NDP as the primary left wing party in the country. NDP replaces the Libs at 2nd, and then the Libs elect Rae as their leader. That would just be insanely ironic.

Who is a Liberal now, btw. The NDP cleansed themselves of him.

Based on poll trends that are now occurring, I believe this is about to happen unless the Liberals get so mad that they are dumped to third place (then again, maybe they won't be if they get a deputy PM, etc.) Conservatives 129 NDP 74 Liberals 66 Bloc 38 Greens 1 Result: PM Jack Layton NDP-Liberals-Greens Coalition.