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I'm pretty sure most Canadians think it's insanity not to have public health care. Lol

"Rhetoric for reparations" ... lol ... you really do use all of the white supremacist rhetoric. I didn't exaggerate anything. I just described it. I have nothing to gain politically. The extreme and blatant mass murders of Jewish people by Hitler may have inspired the UN Convention on Genocide, but 'death camps' don't define genocide. But I'm still not sure how your obsession with Indigenous people has anything to do with the topic of refugees: We were the refugees, not them. Lol

Refugees are those who've already been processed and given Refugee status in Canada. Asylum-seekers arrive at our borders, seaports, etc. (or try to) and then apply for Refugee status. For example, the Komagata Maru in 1914 carrying dissident refugees from British-imperialist rule of India, the St. Louis, turned away by Canada in 1939, carrying 900+ Jewish refugees from fascism in Europe, the Vietnamese/Cambodian 'boat people' in the 1980's, MV Sun Sea in 2010 carrying Tamil refugees from Sri Lanka, etc. Anybody can apply for asylum, not all will be given Refugee status in Canada.

"Taxes"? WTF? lol Your obsession is that of white supremacists who fail to respect the foundations and laws of Canada: "dumb, false, and irresponsible" ... and irrelevant. Lol dougie93 is right. Hitler was able to take genocide to the extreme end, blatantly killing undesirable 'non-Aryans' enmasse, the worst 20th century genocide perhaps, but genocide exists before that extremist end. Canada's treaty-by-starvation on the Prairies, sterilization of Indigenous women including targeting of Traditional Council members and families, forcibly removing children and and indoctrinating them in the dominant culture under constant threat and reality of bodily harm, death or 'disappearance', forcibly suppressing and replacing Tradititional Indigenous governance with Band Councils in Canada's employ ... Canada's long, slow genocide that hoped to evade international scrutiny. That evasion isn't entirely possible now. Recently faced with scrutiny from the Organization of American States (North, Central & South America), following the MMIW report, Trudeau did the only thing he could do to keep that international scrutiny at bay: publicly 'accepted that it was genocide'. Looking back for connection to topic of refugees ...

We have fracking in the BC earthquake zone here too. In fact a fracked gas pipeline & sea terminal is the purpose of the RCMP attack on Wet'suet'en people who are protecting their land.

You have a point there.

There won't be any Energy East. Andrew Scheer's energy corridor was dead before he ever voiced it. Through thousands of kilometres of opposition from communities, First Nations, putting lakes, rivers, wetlands at risk? No, we won't be relying on Alberta fossil fuels for energy self sufficiency in Canada. Silly idea at this point in history.

Yes, it's systemic, but the whole system not just police. The intent to destroy Indigenous Peoples "as such" has always come from government ... because business needs their land, needs "certainty". I think involuntary removals of Indigenous Peoples are no longer possible. It isn't anybody's business where somebody chooses to live.

That's already proven. The Office of Independent Police Review Director is the body that investigates complaints about police performance in Ontario. Their investigation found that racism in the force, the Chief and the Police Services Board were factors in the poor investigations deaths of Indigenous youths. *The Chief of Police was replaced. *The Police Services Board was disbanded. *Deaths of Indigenous youths are being independently reviewed. Relevance to this thread topic re the MMIW inquiry: RCMP reported only on Missing and Murdered Indigenous women. Similar to the Thunder Bay situation, many suspicious deaths of Indigenous women, written off as 'accident', etc., were not considered.

Thunder Bay police to review nine Indigenous deaths in response to independent report https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-thunder-bay-police-to-re-investigate-nine-indigenous-deaths-in/ Thunder Bay police will review investigations into the deaths of nine Indigenous people in the city going back more than a decade, responding to an independent report that found racist attitudes on the force contributed to the mishandling of such probes in the past. Police chief Sylvie Hauth said Tuesday that the cases would be reviewed by outside experts as well as members of the police force and could eventually be reopened. She made the announcement at a meeting of the Thunder Bay Police Services Board, a civilian body overseeing the force that was itself disbanded and reformed since December over similar charges of systemic racism. In a December, 2018, report on relations between the Thunder Bay police and Indigenous people, the Office of the Independent Police Review Director (OIPRD), a civilian oversight agency, found that nine death investigations conducted by the force were so “problematic” they should be reinvestigated. In responding to that call Tuesday, Chief Hauth said the nine cases will be handed over to a three-tiered oversight body that will be comprised of local First Nations leaders and outside investigators, as well as members of the Thunder Bay Police Service. (Officers involved in the original probes will be barred from participating.) The oversight body will determine whether to reinvestigate certain cases, police spokesman Scott Paradis said.

BC is an earthquake zone.

Again, your work with non-Indigenous kids and CAS/CCAS in Ontario is not very relevant to this topic at all. (Derail strategy?) I don't believe that CAS/CCAS even operate in the west, primarily RCMP jurisdictions, where the problems of both missing Indigenous women and missing children are rampant. Since you mentioned Thunder Bay, I'll just clarify ... the primary problem with Police in Thunder Bay is that the 30+ year epidemic of deaths of Indigenous teens (mostly male) whose bodies were generally found in the river or the Lake were ALL dismissed by police as "accidental death", 'They got drunk and drowned' being the usual conclusion, with no further investigation. On November 3, 2016, I initiated this [OIPRD] systemic review to investigate and respond to these concerns. That the questions raised by Indigenous people in 1993 remained as valid as they did some 25 years ago, was deeply troubling, and demanded an urgent and comprehensive response. Under OIPRD oversight now, the TB Chief of Police has been replaced, and cases are being re-opened and re-investigated with external supervision. I highlight this because ... the RCMP data reported re the MMIW Inquiry addressed only "Murdered and Missing" Indigenous women. The RCMP made no mention at all of the possibility of miscategorized 'accidental deaths', overdoses or other dismissed-and-uninvestigated deaths of Indigenous women nation-wide. For example I'm aware of one case reported to the MMIW Inquiry, 20170530_MMIWG_Whitehorse_Public_Vol_1_combined.pdf a serial killer whose weapon was alcohol - dosing Indigenous women with lethal levels of alcohol once they were incapacitated. 5 Indigenous women died that way, deaths dismissed, uninvestigated beyond 'alcohol overdose', then a white woman died, her family raised the alarm and were listened to and a real investigation began. Then another Indigenous woman died and finally police surveillance caught the serial killer in the act of intentionally over-dosing a semi-conscious Indigenous woman (who survived). The serial killer was convicted of Manslaughter for the death of the white woman. Just an example ... so, there is still much investigative work to be done on the systemic racism in actions and in reporting of all Police forces, and perhaps especially the RCMP given their primary policing role in largely suburban/rural western jurisdictions, a huge swathe of Canada, and the first places of the protests that eventually gave rise to the MMIW Inquiry.

But he budgets $30M to lose the carbon tax court battles. https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/07/03/doug-fords-30-million-carbon-tax-fight-is-money-down-the-drain-but-it-keeps-his-brand-afloat.html

I suggested that you look beyond your Ontario CAS experience with non-Indigenous kids. It isn't relevant. You're not well-informed but you have all the answers. Lol

Get back to me once you get out of your Ontario-centric headspace and look at the west, where up to 90% of kids in care are Indigenous, most of the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women cases occur, and the RCMP polices almost everything outside the Cities and refuses to cooperate with other police jurisdictions. The RCMP have been enforcing Canada's genocide for 150 years. Chasing down 'escaping' Indigenous kids with dogs and guns is in the RCMP DNA. It just isn't as whitewashed as you want to make it seem. The RCMP have their own 'rules': Blame the 'Indians' is also in the RCMP DNA ... because our governments genocidal motives encouraged that. And they just did it again with their false reporting, 'blame the Aboriginal men', to cover-up their TOTAL FAILURE to solve more complex, cross-jurisdictional murder cases. TOTAL FAILURE to cooperate with other police forces. TOTAL FAILURE to pay ANY attention to the bodies dumped in their jurisdictions, except to count them ... maybe. Vancouver PD assigned someone to the missing women case after 17 were missing. But the RCMP refused to cooperate until 49 were dead. Years before, the RCMP had a search warrant for Pickton Farm that they never used. There needs to be a National Inquiry into the RCMP. Prostitution is legal in Canada. Johns and pimps are not. ________________________ I just can't give any credence to your poorly researched, poorly informed whitewashed excuses and questionable motives.

Funny thing about vague and generic opinionator polls: They usually get the results they want. People who don't have any issues personally always assume that someone does somewhere, if the question is being asked. A woman from a small northern town (in the rural swathe of Tory blue) asked me "What about all those immigrants in burkas ...?" I asked back: "Is that a big problem for you up here?" " No." "Well it isn't a problem for us in the cities either." <crickets> lol So, Argus ... forget about your tax money: It's gone no matter what, and you can't control how it's used ... but tell me specifically how 'immigrants' are affecting your personal life? And tell me specifically how 'immigrants' affect your personal life even more ... if they are non-white? And btw, Argus, you never answered my previous question: What wave of refugees to Canada were your ancestors in?

The identity of killers isn't the issue. The RCMP misrepresenting their data to focus only on family violence on reserves is the issue. I would feel more optimistic about prevention if police would admit their failures to cooperate in cross-jurisdictional murder cases. Without their acknowledgement and efforts to improve that, it's still 'open season' for anonymous predators taking women from City police jurisdictions and dumping their bodies in outlying RCMP jurisdictions. RCMP are clearly evading that issue, refuse to discuss it, reverting to inflated claims that focus on Indigenous men and family violence. That does not at all address anonymous predators, a significant source of murders: The Globe and Mail linked the deaths of 77 Indigenous women to serial predators in that same RCMP data, but the RCMP did not report on that at all, did not address cross-jurisdictional policing at all, which raises the likelihood that both systemic racism and cover-up are influencing both their policing and their public reporting. It isn't out of favour at all. There are more Indigenous children 'in care' now than ever before. It's a self-sustaining industry that, instead of providing support to families, puts obstacles in their way to justify keeping their children. The 'industry' can't sustain itself without apprehending children. There is no evidence at all of Police forces doing that. Instead, there is evidence of RCMP cover-up. Never forget ... that police, government and business customers were all seen at Piggy's Palace (Pickton's farm), a sex and snuff (kill) entertainment facility where the women were not left alive to be witnesses.

Hunh? You lost me there. L Alt-right try to protect freedom to incite hatred, and they do violence. NO HATE IN PUBLIC SPACES. Violent haters can get a fucking room and beat each other up. Lol

Who (of any intelligence) thinks only "solved" crimes merit mention? The majority of the 1181 cases (53%) are not accounted for by the RCMP's falsely inflated claim that 'mostly Indigenous men did it': "Mostly" Missing and Murdered Indigenous women's cases are Unsolved (33%), or the offenders were non-Indigenous men (20%). Over half of Indigenous people do not live on reserves (where murders are more easily solved). They live in towns and cities throughout the country. Why are police not solving those murders? ...the RCMP ... patrols only 20 per cent of the population in Canada. The rest of the country falls under the jurisdiction of provincial, municipal and First Nations police forces. The RCMP and other forces don't co-ordinate the questions on their missing persons forms. Nor do they share information or cooperate in investigations: "Why I failed to catch Canada's worst serial killer" https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796464 ... but at the highest levels of both forces there was resistance to the idea and full co-operation did not begin for several years. ... until 49 women (at least 17 Indigenous) were dead and fed to the pigs. If police forces refuse to cooperate across jurisdictions, the serial killer's task becomes easy: Take women from City police jurisdictions and dispose of their bodies in outlying RCMP jurisdictions, like Willy Pickton did and serial killers in other cities (Edmonton, Winnipeg). But you don't learn about that from the biased RCMP report. The RCMP won't discuss Unsolved cases nor their very poor 'solve rate' for serial killers.

Not so clear ... Under the Progressive Conservative government of Premier Mike Harris the debt increased from $90.7 billion in 1994-1995 to $132.6 billion in 2002-2003, even while cutting services and downloading formerly provincially-run services onto the municipalities. Where did the money go? $42b debt increase, while cutting and slashing services. Where did the money go? Oh ya ... Provincial income taxes were cut by 30% to pre-1990 levels. ... benefiting mostly Harris' wealthy supporters, while public services were cut to the bone. The real per capita debt increased under the first Harris term from 1995-1999, even though this was a period of strong economic growth and the government infamously slashed its way through public expenditures. Under the second Harris/Eves term from 1999-2003, the debt declined slightly and then flattened, during a time when the government was trying to course-correct from its first-term unsustainable cuts by backfilling some public spending. Doug Ford's cuts are likewise unsustainable, and his 'savings' are likewise smoke and mirrors. It has been estimated that every $1 spent in housing and support services saves $7 in future health, policing, institutional and other costs. If an autistic child gets appropriate intensive therapy at an early age and learns to use words for his needs instead of violence, it will save us money in the long run. Doug Ford's 'savings' are false, just causing greater expenditures in the future, kicking the can down the road to the next Liberal government ... that then has to restore programs to effective levels. Harris, Ford and other anti-intellectual Conservatives who disparage and defund the work of professionals in the Human Sciences have a short-sighted approach that is not sustainable and increases future costs. It's like hiring cheap, unskilled help to print labels, 60% of which are defective and have to be done twice - false savings that are not actually savings but costs.

Nonsense. The RCMP selectively reported their 2014 data to draw that conclusion, only reporting the cases of murdered Indigenous women they've solved. Of the total 1181 Missing and Murdered women that RCMP identified: 554 (47%) were murdered by Indigenous offenders (not a majority, not "most") 53% were ... 238 (20%) murdered by 'other' offenders 77 (7%) likely murdered by serial killers 312 (26%) Unsolved murders or still Missing RCMP did not even mention the serial killers in their data, but the Globe and Mail did, accounting for another 77 women (DNA, localized killers). RCMP are not only covering up a pretty dismal rate of solving murders and disappearances (67%), but also intentionally implicating Indigenous men to a greater extent than is warranted by their own data. What does it say that RCMP selectively reported data to shine a light back on Indigenous communities? Bias much? And there are untold numbers of Missing women not reported to police, because police won't do anything and may find excuses to arrest any Indigenous person who bothers them about missing friends/relatives. MMIW's own data collection included over 4000 missing women, far more than the 1181 reported to police. It remains to be seen whether, as a result of the MMIW inquiry, police will start paying appropriate attention to reports of missing women. So far, the RCMP are just ducking responsibility and weaving lies, so it's not looking good. Sadly, many Indigenous women are taken from City police jurisdictions, murdered and their bodies are disposed of in outlying RCMP jurisdictions. If the RCMP won't cooperate, won't investigate, the trail ends with them. More nonsense. Nation-wide, over half of Indigenous people live off reserve in other Canadian communities, cities and towns. The RCMP may be only familiar with reserves as their jurisdictions are rural, and some uninformed people focus solely on reserve communities. But in Ontario, for example, only 37% of Indigenous people live on reserve. Indigenous people are everywhere across Canada, working in offices, hospitals, universities, construction and other trades, in day cares and counselling, arts and music, writers, journalists, etc.

Who are we to criticize others? All countries have ongoing human rights issues. It's the UN Conventions, and the collective approach of the UN that is important: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/05/11/un-human-rights-council-canada-indigenous_a_23432906/ OTTAWA — Members of the United Nations Human Rights Council are urging Canada to improve its treatment of Indigenous people, in particular women and girls.

They pay into your CPP and OAS, Argus. Be grateful. We all spend our lives paying for our government services. Lol And according to a post above, many second generation refugees are doing better than other Canadians. Economic arguments have no merit and are just nonsense from the alt-right wing of Canada, who try to use it to camouflage their racist motives. Faith Goldy shrieking as she's chased through a ditch for harassing asylum-seekers is just alt-right porn. Lol Which wave of refugees were your ancestors in, Argus? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/canada-role/timeline.html That is the best historical list I've found, but my ancestors aren't even listed ... because the Irish were (forcibly) British 'Subjects' so not called 'refugees', I guess? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Canadians 1.2 million Irish immigrants arrived [in Canada] from 1825 to 1970, and at least half of those in the period from 1831–1850 ... as the British-imposed famine/genocide intensified. Mostly Catholics were targeted to be pushed off their lands, denied the use of the 'common lands' that were enclosed to be used solely for the profits of British aristocrats. But my Protestant peasant subsistence-farming ancestors (who had fled England's aristocratic oppression to Ireland first), were caught in the famine too: All of Ireland's products went to England for profit, including all of the food products. None were made available to feed the starving 'undesirable' Irish, half of whom died on the ships, fleeing to North America. If 600,000 Irish fleeing the famine arrived in Canada in those two famine decades (over 35,000 per year), another 600,000 may have died trying. An Indian cab driver once exclaimed "Oh those ... English!" when a woman cut him off. Then he looked at me in the mirror and said "I guess I shouldn't say that." I said "I'm Irish! We don't like the English either!" Lol He had no clue what I meant. History lesson ensued: 'India and Ireland were both occupied by England. You (and Ghandi) kicked them out after 200 years. Ireland couldn't.' I can't speak for others, but my Irish family also has a (quietly-spoken) healthy awareness of Canada's tyranny towards Indigenous Peoples: We know how English-style stealth-genocide works. So do the Scots: Late 1700s: Scots Highlanders, refugees of the Highland Clearances during the modernization of Scotland, settled in Canada. English "modernization" = kick the people off their land, enclose it, 'hire' a few back as sharecroppers, virtual slaves who could never fulfill the aristocrats' profits and the King's taxes with enough left to support their families, and ship the rest off to 'the colonies' with a promise of "free (Indigenous) land". And so the plot continues ... The stories of Canada's refugees are the stories of world-wide tyranny and genocide.

The pro-pipeline campaign, entire industry, is largely foreign funded. So what is your point?