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Read the articles. It isn't my opinion. Go argue with them, white supremacist.

I'm not the one saying it. It's the players. Go tell them they're wrong. Lol 90% of Canadian families don't put their kids in hockey. Is that a problem?

Speaking of the toxic culture of hockey ... Power play: Hockey players are finally speaking out against the sport's toxic culture https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-mitch-marner-hockey-players-speak-out-1.5376558 What has become clear over the past few days is that these are not isolated incidents or a few bad apples making mistakes. Embedded in North American hockey is a culture rife with systemic racism, sexism, and physical and verbal abuse. And it has been preserved through an uneven power structure; one that makes players feel inferior and scared to come forward, partly because speaking up could cost them a job. ... "I have over 150 messages from current players, former players, NHL to the AHL all the way down to children, and I plan on doing something about it. And that wasn't the case a year ago, I maybe had three or four messages," Carcillo told CBC Sports. Not only fear for their job, but the players who do speak up are the ones Don Cherry would ridicule and humiliate on live TV. The culture that supported Don Cherry is the culture that makes hockey toxic, and it's the reason why 90% of Canadian families do not put their kids in hockey - because "it isn't fun". (See link in previous post.)

You talk about nothing but dismissing racism. What about this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/bauer-survey-results-stun-former-nhl-great-messier/article13567822/ Last winter, Hockey Canada and Bauer Hockey Inc. commissioned an independent survey to better understand the challenges facing non hockey-playing families. That's because according to the two organizations, approximately 90 per cent of Canadian families choose to not have their kids play hockey. So a survey of 875 non hockey-playing families in Ontario and Nova Scotia was conducted to better understand why they don't play the game and the top four reasons given were a) it wasn't fun b) was too time consuming c) safety concerns d) and affordability. 90%

I think anyone who adamantly dismisses racism in hockey on this site is a white supremacist pimping his 'cause' of fomenting violent race wars in Canada. Hockey doesn't want you. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/players-speak-out-against-racism-in-hockey-in-wake-of-calgary-flames-coach-allegations-1.4706026 He explained that, far too often in the minor leagues all the way up to the NHL, there’s a culture of silence in dressing rooms which allows for bullying and racism to fester. “I think we're starting to see that façade crack and more to the power of the players moving forward, as they continue to find their voice and use it,” Seravalli said

Read the article. And maybe read some of these too: https://www.google.com/search?q=racism+in+hockey&oq=racism+in+hockey&aqs=chrome..69i57.8377j1j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 I love hockey, and I think the players get it, but hockey leadership needs to be a better example for kids. And lots of opportunities for kids to play for gmfree and for fun.

You know for a fact? Oh, do tell! Lol Did I shout you down? Lol

I am anti-white-supremacist, because they are violent, destructive loser creeps, an embarrassment. You are clearly very overwrought that you've lost your arguments and you're just ranting nonsensically now. I suggest you return to topic, or take a break.

I always look around for their audience. There never is one. Just a lot of people protesting and drowning white supremacists out. Lol Do you think you could get back to the thread topic now?

Read the article so you have something useful to say. Or take a break.

I've never seen an audience at a white supremacist rally.

No, the racism kids (and adults) have to deal with does. Maybe read the article: "If hockey is for everyone, those in power need to listen — even if the message is difficult to hear"

Few families can afford to have kids play hockey these days. The time and money demands on parents are outrageous.

I haven't noticed that you've been "shouted down". In fact, that's pretty impossible on a discussion board. I can see that you've run out of arguments, though. Lol

195 pages on "Islam", when we don't have any particular problems in Canada. This thread is clearly just a playground for the anti-Muslim white supremacists and zionists. Now there's a strange partnership! Oh.well.

Back to hockey ... Don Cherry's firing for bigoted comments is perhaps a good time for a fuller discussion. Is hockey 'for everyone'? Or is hockey only for well-off white boys? This article addresses racism, but there's also the issue of the cost and demands on families. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames-bill-peters-hall-analysis-1.5374929

It appears I may have hurt your feels somehow. I don't recall.

What are the circumstances of that case?

Even that is questionable: False confessions due to police browbeating does happen as well.

And you would know that because of your all-seeing cyclops eye? Lol

What you think I think is irrelevant, and in fact, what I do think is still irrelevant. Clarifying the legal realities is relevant. You might want to look into that so you don't find yourself in legal trouble ... or perhaps you prefer to get yourself in legal trouble so you can challenge the law in court. Your choice. And of course, racist speech has consequences other than legal, as Don Cherry just found out.

Interesting that you say that. When white supremacists try to speak in public and are drowned out by communities of people who oppose them, they often become violent. And of course, they are offended by and blame the people who spoke back at them. But, as you say, it's not the fault of the offensive speech that someone got violent as a result

Well, it is illegal. Arguing with me won't change that. But you can go around publicly being hateful, try to incite hatred against (eg) Black people, and when you are charged and go to trial, you can make your arguments there, take it all the way to the Supreme Court if you wish, and try to change the law. The main point of freedom of expression is to protect democracy from devolving into fascism by ensuring our right to speak out against our governments without fear of being silenced by punishment from the state - arrested, charged, and incarcerated, etc. Some politicians find protests offensive, would like to ban protests and have tried to. But then we would no longer have democracy, so the courts uphold freedom of expression. But speech and other forms of expression are subject to reasonable limits, and are sometimes criminal: You can't yell "Fire!" when there is none. You can't conspire to commit a crime. You can't threaten someone with harm. You can't persistently harass someone, sexually or otherwise. You can't incite or promote hatred against members of a group simply because of their gender, race, religion, culture, gender identity/expression, or other similar attributes. Thus, you would be wise to seek legal counsel to clarify whether yelling "n*****" at Black people in public would result in arrest and punishment. Or, you can go ahead and do it, get charged and fight your battle in court. Arguing with me or anyone here about it won't change the law. "Should not be illegal" is not something we can help you with. The reason for freedom of expression is not so you can harass, attack publicly incite or promote hatred against people because of their race, etc.

That's a lot of speculation and presumption. I don't agree with public speech that victimizes people because of who they are, terrorizes them in their own communities. If I heard such speech, I am likely to yell at you to shut you up, and that's not illegal. However, I don't know whether it's illegal for you to yell "n*****" at Black people in public, so I suggest that you get a legal opinion on it before putting yourself at risk. https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html Public incitement of hatred 319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. Wilful promotion of hatred (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. "Willful promotion..." refers to communication other than in public - eg, flyers, online, etc.

I expect the oil industry can figure that out. The renewable energy industry will skyrocket both in technology and accessibility much faster than you suggest. I think you should read the whole article: “The competitive advantage is set to shift decisively in favour of EVs over oil-powered cars in the next five years. In our view, this is much sooner than the oil industry thinks,” BNP Paribas says. Alberta oil workers need to know the truth that the oil industry and government won't tell them.