Je suis Omar

Who is 'they'?

You'll have to be more specific.

You don't know a lot about a lot of stuff, hence your ignorance (non pejorative sense). You do know how to repeat memes.

Yeah, go figger, Shady. Especially after, Consider how you'd feel if you had been carpet bombed by the USA, had your towns and villages napalmed, Agent Orange sprayed all over your children, grandchildren and unborn. Had your loved ones injured daily by USA planted WMDs.

That's because the Vietnamese people are kind, forgiving individuals, who haven't retaliated against the USA for the usa's half century of terrorism, murder and mayhem directed against those who only wanted their independence from foreign devils. Rule of law folks didn't use a massive set of lies to illegally invade two sovereign nations. Two recently, hundreds of illegal invasions since the USA was born of terrorism. That would be the same USA that supported PolPot and the Khmer Rouge.

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet. It has been at the least, throughout your lifetime. Canada supports the USA. Now who supports terrorists. Why do you think the Latin American countries set up an organization that excludes the USA and Canada? 75% what? 80% what? And yet, year after year, the USA is the stingiest foreign aid donor of all nations. Why are you defending the world leading terrorists and the world leading cheapskates, DD?

People don't like it when their ox has been gored. Consider how you'd feel if you had been carpet bombed by the USA, had your towns and villages napalmed, Agent Orange sprayed all over your children, grandchildren and unborn. Had your loved ones injured daily by USA planted WMDs.

You've still not described what we are being protected from, Freddy. All you have done is provide examples of western terrorism and war crimes and then defended the same.

More admissions of our war crimes and terrorism against other people and nations. But what are we being protected from other than our own seventy years of aggression and terrorism against others. It's a miracle retaliation isn't coming from all corners of the planet! Thank god that there are people on the planet who believe in the rule of law because the western nations have failed miserably. The only truly exceptional things about the USA is how exceptionally they have lied, how exceptional is their brutality, how exceptional is their centuries long perfidious nature.

What is so amazing, so unbelievable, is the large number of people who have been denying the grim reality that the USA has been the catalyst for pretty much all the troubles in the world. The USA has been the equivalent of the Nazis in ferocity and viciousness drawn out for more than two centuries. All the finger pointing at "terrorists", when it is clearly USA terrorism against so many peoples and countries that has precipitated the retaliation felt by the USA and its partners in crime. The list of countries that the USA has been terrorizing is long, the terror is long, the terror is ongoing, the volume of USA terrorism far beyond the collective terror of everyone else. It has long been predicted in all too infrequent moments of lucidity by people within the USA terrorist community that blowback was an inevitable reality given USA rampant and widespread terrorism. The "America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere" is the most massive fraud that has ever been perpetrated upon planet Earth.

NATO is no different than the combination of Germany, Japan, Italy, ... . War crimes are war crimes and terrorism is terrorism. Aligning oneself with the strongest group of gangsters is hardly the mark of a moral individual.

Committing war crimes and acts of terrorism, creating a discriminatory society, subjugating poor innocents can't realistically be described as winning.

Nope, but I've heard of Glass-Steagall.

Shady: Don't pick and choose which accomplices get punished like I'm doing. Was Clinton the prez in 2008?

It all happened in the world's major democracies, the home of the capitalist free enterprise system, the ones that operate by the rule of law. I use all those terms lightly.

Rebuttal of Official Claims: Summary 1. The claim that no evidence of any molten steel or iron was found in any of the WTC buildings is strongly refuted by three scientific reports, one from a government agency (USGS). 2. John Grosss claim that no eyewitnesses said that there was molten steel (or iron) was strongly and repeatedly contradicted. 3. The claim that molten steel or iron would be irrelevant because it could have been produced in the combustion pile: This would mean claiming, with no scientific evidence and no plausibility, that combustion in an oxygen-starved pile of rubbish could have heated steel to at least 1500°C (2800° F). 4. With regard to the NIST claim that molten steel or iron is irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse because it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers [including WTC 7] were standing: Given the fact that the molten steel or iron in the debris could not have been produced without incendiaries or explosives, the presence of either of them indicates that some of the steel was melted before, or during, the final moments of the collapses. 5. With regard to NISTs statement in its post-report publication that there was no evidence for the melting of steel in a jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers: This is a statement that is truly irrelevant. The whole point is that the presence of melted steel and/or iron is an indication that the buildings must have been brought down by something other than fire. Conclusion None of the official claims about the non-existence of molten iron or steel in the destroyed WTC buildings withstand scrutiny. The fact that the rubble contained steel or iron that had been melted shows that the buildings were destroyed by something other than fire and airplane impact. Especially dramatic evidence of various types was provided by several facts: that the original RJ Lee report showed that there was almost 1,500 times more iron in the dust than normal; that the rubble contained steel with gaping holes, manifesting a Swiss cheese appearance that shocked the three fire-wise professors from Worcester Polytechnic Institute; that lead had been vaporized; that molybdenum had been melted; and that the metal pools contained iron that had been heated, as shown by the orange color, above 2,000°C (3,632°F). When all of this physical evidence is combined with the testimony about explosions from many types of professionals, the claim that the Twin Towers were brought down by nothing other than the airplane impacts and resulting fires is simply not credible. http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/

I'm sure the Residential Schools have been described as many things, Kimmy, even in glowing terms but they were clearly a program of genocide. It's inane to describe events that are equal to the Holocaust in nature, if not in size, as having blood on one's hands. Where have you been all this time as person after person denied USA war crimes and terrorism?

Freddy, if you wouldn't mind. Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us.

Omar: we know that the Russians under Stalin are part a group of the supremely evil, Shady. It's fitting that you lump the Americans in with that group.

Describe the atrocities "[T]he Canadian government has" done. Describe how, and from what, they were defending us.

And exist it, molten steel/iron, did. The only explanation, unless you can come up with something, is that explosives that are capable of producing the molten steel/iron also existed at the WTC site.

What you are advancing, Michael, is a farce. Eyewitnesses are often used to obtain convictions in multiple court cases. Eyewitnesses are used in the USA to obtain convictions where people are then executed. And if it was only eyewitnesses, you might have a point, an exceedingly weak one but a point. You have taken this position because the presence of molten steel and iron refutes, completely, the official USA government conspiracy theory. A theory which you are, inexplicably, emotionally invested in furthering and protecting. Why leaps to mind? It was, and still is completely impossible for molten steel/iron to have existed at the WTC site on and post 911.

Y'all have come a long way. From denying that the USA is responsible for myriad war crimes and terrorist activities, you now acknowledge them and, shockingly, applaud them. I'm afraid that your say so isn't enough, Argus, so for the umpteenth time, a cite please.

You suggest John Gross may not have known. Do you think he lives in a bubble, totally isolated from the outside world. He was, I believe, second to the lead investigator, Shyam Sunder. The kind of isolation that one has to envision that would leave Gross this ignorant on these issues would rule him out as an investigator. John Gross said, when asked about molten steel/iron: "Lets go back to your basic premise that there was a pool of molten steel. I know of absolutely nobody no eyewitnesses said so, nobodys produced it." --------------- No eyewitnesses? Really? --------------