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Thick skulls? lol Thanks. I'm not Jacee, so I won't point any fingers. Bigots justify bigotry. If your claim is that there isn't bigotry on MLW against Americans, it's very easily proven. Do you really want me to take, what, 5 seconds and find you an almost endless barrage?

Child Welfare -3. We call upon all levels of government to fully implement Jordan’s Principle. Education 17. We call upon all levels of governments to enable residential school survivors and their families to reclaim names changed by the residential school system by waiving administrative costs for a period of five years for the name change process and the revision of official identity documents, such as birth certificates, passports, driver’s licenses, health cards, status cards, and social insurance numbers. Justice 25. We call upon the federal government to establish a written policy that reaffirms the independence of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to investigate crimes in which the government has its own interest as a potential or real party in civil litigation. Settlement Agreement Parties and the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. 48. We call upon the church parties to the Settlement Agreement, and all other faith groups and interfaith social justice groups in Canada who have not already done so, to formally adopt and comply with the principles, norms and standards of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples as a framework for reconciliation. This would include, but not be limited to, the following commitments: i. Ensuring that their institutions, policies, programs, and practices comply with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. ii. Respecting Indigenous peoples’ right to self-determination in spiritual matters, including the right to practice, develop, and teach their own spiritual and religious traditions, customs, and ceremonies, consistent with Article 12:1 of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Honestly, the more I read the angrier I get. This "report" is advocating 90 wastes of tax payer dollars which will do nothing but pad a few more FN's pockets...probably the chiefs.

Self determination and democracy? These are Canadian citizens. They already enjoy democracy. There are 630 recognized First Nations in Canada. Do they all get self determination, or is it blanket self determination, which, of course, is then not self determination at all. I am not trying to be flippant. I don't believe in distinct societies, and I don't believe the answer to the First Nations problem is giving them more rights/money/entitlements than other Canadians. What do we know? "First NationsThe rate of alcohol use is lower among First Nations communities (66%) compared to the general population (79%). However, alcohol misuse is a growing concern among First Nations communities who do use alcohol. Alcohol-related deaths among First Nations people are six times higher compared to the general population [4]. First Nations men are more likely (69%) to drink alcohol than women (62%). However, the proportion of heavy drinkers among First Nations people is more than double compared to the general population (16% versus 6%), with First Nations men being more than twice as likely to be heavy drinkers compared to women (21% versus 10%) [5]." To offer a blanket issue (poverty, unemployment etc) the rate of alcohol abuse should be higher for First Nations (if your argument is that First Nations have a higher degree of poverty, unemployment etc) than for RoC...which seems to be the going argument here. This statistic disproves that notion.

Why the glib remark? Are YOU going to help? What are your suggestions? I see you slagging ppl for not having the answers, but aside from eternally throwing money to ease Liberal guilt, what are the options? I think we all agree there is no political will to abolish the Indian Act. And because they need them? Why do they need them? They have the same (eff that, they have more) opportunity than all other ppls in Canada, so why are they bogged down with addiction, low paying jobs (if any) etc?

..and a quick peruse shows that the majority are lip service and more entitlements.

Whom are they beaten down by? Why should FNs people have benefits that I don't, when I'm helping pay for them?

People like me? What, who aren't bigoted against Israel based on ignorance? K, that's fair. I've never said they didn't exist. I said they didn't exist as Palestinians. If you think they did, you are wrong. There is a little thing called history that proves this. Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations. Yasser Arafat Our law is a Jordanian law that we inherited, which applies to both the West Bank and Gaza, and sets the death penalty for those who sell land to Israelis. Yasser Arafat It's always convenient for certain people to heap accusations on Israel. Yasser Arafat Other David Ben Gurion quotes. These ones are verifiable, whereas yours is not. Under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price.Written statement (1920), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai (1985), Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs: From Peace to War, Oxford University Press. We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs. Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; Israel offers peace. The others...not so much. We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on (14 May 1948)Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on (14 May 1948

So, some applicants were called liars who were telling the truth. You know this how, as the police, as you say, didn't release their records? The Truth Commission is not the greatest document ever produced. We could go through it all, but quickly, what has number 6 of education have to do with Aboriginals? 6. We call upon the Government of Canada to repeal Section 43 of the Criminal Code of Canada This is not for the commission to decide on at all. The Supreme Court of Canada already ruled on it. Another child welfare tidbit I take umbrance with. iii. Ensuring that social workers and others who conduct child-welfare investigations are properly educated and trained about the history and impacts of residential schools. Jacee, they are to help children. Not to ensure continued bitterness. v. Requiring that all child-welfare decision makers consider the impact of the residential school experience on children and their caregivers. What? How about this little education tidbit? 7. We call upon the federal government to develop with Aboriginal groups a joint strategy to eliminate education and employment gaps between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians You want to make it equal? How about I get free education, or maybe, they pay for theirs? https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100033682/1100100033683 I could go on, but I'm sure the only thing I would get out of it is to be called racist.

lol. Excellent point. “Palestine has never existed – before or since – as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire, and briefly by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There was no language known as Palestinian. There was no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a Palestine governed by the Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.” “Palestine and Jordan are one…” said King Abdullah in 1948 “The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan,”said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981 In 1976, Zahir Muhsein, who was an executive committee member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, stated there were no differences between self-called "Palestinians" and the peoples of Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel". - Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

Then why the incredible bigotry on these forums against Americans

Control over their destiny? As Canadians, they have as much say in their destiny as other Canadians. It's called voting.

In Ontario we have sunshine lists for ppl who make a lot of money for overtime. Huge public outcry for anyone charging overtime. There could be an issue with abuse and accountability with this type of system,.

So, you are now calling ppl who disagree with you white supremacists?. Of course, it's Jacee, so we'll let it go. Beyond fucking believable.

Again, no genocide. Disagreeing with you does not indicate which substance your head is made of.

And ppl who are determined to keep them living on reservations, yet decry Israel as an apartheid state for having two tier social classes are hypocrites. And your professor story is clearly just that...cite please.

It's now a contest?

Everyone thinks so many business move to Mexico because of cheap labour. While that is certainly a draw, the main reason is Mexico has free trade agreements in place already with 45 different countries. Means less cost, less red tape, easier to do business. http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-auto-makers-are-building-new-factories-in-mexico-not-the-u-s-1426645802 By Dudley Althaus and William Boston March 17, 2015 10:30 p.m. ET60 COMMENTS CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment. The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday. But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans. Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships. “Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output. RelatedIn Germany, Mexican Workers Learn Audi’s Ways The U.S. is negotiating to expand its own array of free-trade agreements, but progress has been slow amid congressional opposition to giving the White House special trade authority known as “fast track.” Foes worry that the trade agreements could drive jobs to low-wage countries. With some luxury-car makers, at least, the reverse may be true. The Audi deal shows that besides its low-cost labor, Mexico’s trade pacts give it allure in the global car market, threatening the American South’s industrial renewal. Seven Asian and European auto makers have opened new Mexican assembly plants, or disclosed plans for one, in little more than a year. Other car companies have financed significant expansions in Mexico, among them Nissan Motor Co. , General Motors Co. , Ford Motor Co. and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV. Last week, VW said it would spend $1 billion expanding a Mexican plant to build a small SUV for the U.S. and some foreign markets. All told, auto makers and parts suppliers have earmarked more than $20 billion of new investments, Mexican officials say. See Photos of the Region Where Audi Is Building Its New Plant Auto maker’s newest assembly plant promises to transform both the landscape and local economy of San Jose Chiapa, a town in south-central Mexico’s Puebla state. 1 of 5 fullscreen Gustavo Juarez, left, and Luis Garcia use toy trucks in an exercise to train workers for an Audi plant being built San Jose Chiapa, Mexico, in dexterity, quick thinking and teamwork. Officials say the operation will produce a vehicle a minute when it is up and running. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal Audi’s newest assembly plant replaces grazing pastures and cornfields on the edge of San Jose Chiapa, a town in south-central Mexico’s Puebla state. With more than a year remaining ... A boy passes a shrine to the Virgin of Guadalupe in San Jose Chiapa, a south-central Mexico farm community that is facing rapid transformation with the building of an Audi assembly plant. Not many locals will land jobs at the new plant because of a lack of education, officials say, but other jobs are being created to service the factory and its workers. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal Construction workers head home after a day building an Audi auto plant in San Jose Chiapa, Mexico. Most such workers commute from the state capital of Puebla, 40 miles west, or other distant communities. Many rent temporary quarters in the remote farm town. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal Minerva León simulates quality checks at a training center next to an Audi assembly plant under construction in rural Mexico. Company officials say all of the plant’s eventual 3,800 employees will undergo weeks of training to instill Audi manufacturing techniques and values. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal Gustavo Juarez, left, and Luis Garcia use toy trucks in an exercise to train workers for an Audi plant being built San Jose Chiapa, Mexico, in dexterity, quick thinking and teamwork. Officials say the operation will produce a vehicle a minute when it is up and running. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal Audi’s newest assembly plant replaces grazing pastures and cornfields on the edge of San Jose Chiapa, a town in south-central Mexico’s Puebla state. With more than a year remaining until production of Audi’s Q5 SUV begins at the plant, it already has transformed both the landscape and local economy. Janet Jarman for The Wall Street Journal While the bulk of Mexico’s auto exports go to the U.S. and Canada, its partners in the North American Free Trade Agreement, auto makers increasingly are turning to Mexico as a platform for selling world-wide. The trade-related cost edge can be large. When Audi rival BMW AG ships cars to Europe from BMW’s two-decade-old Spartanburg, S.C., plant, it is hit with a 10% duty on each one. For a $50,000 vehicle, that $5,000 is a much bigger factor than differences in labor costs. In July, BMW said it would build a factory in Mexico’s central San Luis Potosi state to produce 150,000 still-unspecified vehicles annually by 2019. Mexico’s “large number of international free trade agreements...was a decisive factor in the choice of location,” BMW said at the time. The wave of investment has turned Mexico into the world’s seventh-largest producer of cars—it passed Brazil last year—and the fourth-largest exporter after Germany, Japan and South Korea. Mexico has just eclipsed Japan to become the No. 2 supplier of vehicles to the U.S. market after Canada. Industry analysts see Mexico’s current annual production of 3.2 million cars and light trucks rising more than 50% to five million by 2018. That would still be far below U.S. annual production of 11.4 million. Of these, six Southeastern states produce about 3.9 million. Auto makers began flocking to the U.S. South in the 1980s for its largely nonunion labor, good transportation and energy grids, and the region came to be seen as the new Detroit of the North American auto industry. Now, as Mexico gears up, the stakes are high for Dixie. The South continues to hold economic appeal for car companies. Daimler AG, BMW and others are expanding existing assembly plants in Alabama and South Carolina. Just this month,Daimler disclosed another investment, a planned $500 million expansion of an existing plant near Charleston, S.C. But it has been more than six years since an auto maker picked the U.S. South for a “greenfield” plant, meaning one where the company didn’t already have facilities. Such projects have all gone to Mexico lately. South Korea’s Kia Motors Corp. , which six years ago picked Georgia for its first North American factory, passed on several U.S. sites for its second one and chose a location near Monterrey, Mexico. An alliance between Nissan and Daimler said in June it would build a $1.4 billion plant in Mexico’s Aguascalientes state to make Infiniti and Mercedes compacts. Nissan, which has three assembly plants in the U.S. South plus North American headquarters in Nashville, also finished a $2 billion plant expansion in Mexico in late 2013. “We see a number of wins, back to back, in Mexico that might have gone here,” said Greg Canfield, Alabama’s economic development secretary. “What we’re seeing in Alabama and the South is the recognition that we really have a new competitor.” Global supplierIn Audi’s case, the company wanted a North American plant not only to feed the strong U.S. market for a midsize SUV such as the Q5, which it currently makes in Germany, but also to supply the model to Europe and much of the rest of the world. From the start, Audi preferred to piggyback on parent VW’s North American infrastructure such as roads and suppliers. In the site competition, that meant largely a two-horse race between VW’s existing North American plants, one at Chattanooga and one in the south-central Mexican state of Puebla. The place Audi chose, San Jose Chiapa, seems at first glance like the middle of nowhere, a cinder-block town of about 10,000 residents. But the port of Veracruz on the Gulf of Mexico is reachable in less than half a day by rail or truck, and the factories of suppliers to the VW plant are an hour’s drive west. ENLARGE Puebla state officials sweetened San Jose Chiapa’s allure by agreeing to finance a training center and donate 1,200 acres of land. Plans are under way to build a model community with homes, shops, schools and cinemas for families of the 20,000 people expected to work at Audi’s assembly plants and parts suppliers. “It’s like a bomb exploded here,” said Josue Martinez, a bricklayer who serves as mayor of San Jose Chiapa. “For this town, there is a before and an after the Audi plant.” Producing the Q5 in Mexico isn’t without risk. The plant will assemble every Q5 sold world-wide except in China and India, so any factory glitch would interrupt global sales for a popular model. Audi is taking some unusual steps to control its risk. First, to ensure quality, the company created a consultancy that fanned out to 160 parts suppliers in Mexico, encouraging some to change plant design or improve weak production processes. Audi also developed a process to evaluate raw materials, a task normally left to suppliers. One goal was to have most of the plant’s raw materials priced in dollars, so costs wouldn’t be subject to exchange-rate swings, as they would if some materials were imported. “A natural hedge,” Audi calls this strategy. The company created an inventory of local sources for every part and for all raw materials used in the Q5, and has required suppliers to source from its list. “We thought if every supplier does it by himself, it will fail,” said Bernd Martens, Audi’s procurement chief. “So, we did it at Audi.” Audi now is training 600 people from Puebla state at its headquarters in Ingolstadt, Germany. Visiting on 18-month stints, the Mexicans, mostly supervisory level, study German, train on Audi systems and are indoctrinated with the company’s intense focus on quality. Spanish conversations float through the air at cafes in the Bavarian town on the Danube. Once a week, Audi’s Mexican workers and German colleagues crowd into the Havana Bar for salsa dancing. “When we have a problem in Mexico, we have to know who can help us in Ingolstadt,” said Isaul Lopez Gutierrez, who will run a team of system analysts in Puebla. His oldest daughter, a 7-year-old, attends a German school. Audi figured that siting its Q5 plant in Mexico would enable it to save 50% on labor costs, compared with Tennessee, Mr. Stadler said. It also should save slightly more on parts in Mexico than in the U.S., said Mr. Martens. A crucial factor was trade. Mexico has 10 free-trade arrangements encompassing 45 countries—counting EU members separately—plus other trade deals in Latin America and the Asian Pacific, according to the government’s trade office. In contrast, the U.S. has free-trade agreements with 20 countries, mostly smaller economies such as Chile, Jordan and Panama, said the U.S. trade representative’s office. U.S. officials are negotiating with officials from Japan and 10 other Asian and Latin American countries in hopes of completing in coming months a framework known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. But the agreement, which officials say would help the countries compete with China, needs the legislation known as fast track to ease its passage in Congress. If introduced and passed this year, fast track could also expedite the passage of a trade agreement with the EU that is in the early stages of negotiation. Tough for TennesseeBecause of the free-trade agreements Mexico already has, Audi’s consideration of Chattanooga for the Q5 plant “never seemed real,” said Tennessee Republican Sen. Bob Corker. Mexico’s greater array of trade pacts “puts us at a disadvantage. This is something that is very important to our country,” he said. But Obama administration officials have run into determined resistance from some fellow Democrats. “Bitter experience tells us that bad trade deals devastate jobs, devastate wages,” said Rep. Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, who is leading opposition to fast track among Democrats in the House. ENLARGE After Audi settled on Mexico in 2012, officials of the U.S. Commerce Department visited Chattanooga to meet with business and government leaders. Gathered around a long walnut-colored conference table at Chamber of Commerce offices, the locals said Audi’s decision needed to be a wake-up call about Mexico’s trade advantage. The discussion “wasn’t so much about the Audi project itself—it was about an example that could probably translate into other projects that are going to be looking at Chattanooga,” said Charles Wood, an executive with the Chattanooga Chamber of Commerce. Six Southern states commissioned a study of how to compete with Mexico. The report by the Center for Automotive Research suggested tightening the density of parts suppliers and training workforces for higher-value production jobs. In Tennessee, the auto industry accounts for three-quarters of manufacturing jobs, according to a Brookings Institution study. The state now offers adult residents free training to learn the advanced skills needed today by auto makers, said Tennessee’s economic-development commissioner, Randy Boyd. Looking out his office window on downtown Nashville, Mr. Boyd came back to Mexico’s trade edge. “We’d love to compete on even terms,” he said. “This will definitely be an issue if Mexico has that advantage and we don’t.”

If the abuse was as rampant and severe as has been reported, there would be supporting documentation. Hospital records, police records etc. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I do feel that many of the stories that are just now coming to light may be of the jumping on the potential money bandwagon variety.

Wynne is obviously concerned about unemployment here in Ontario, what with the manufacturing sector absolutely decimated. So the obvious solution is to create jobs. For Chile. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/12/ndp-mpp-wants-to-know-why-40m-going-to-chilean-shipbuilder

I'll see your facepalm and raise you a nuclear facepalm. Cigarettes are deadly enough, but at least the variety store variety are somewhat overseen to ensure what is being used to grow and make the product. Smoke shacks, not so much. Also, when you buy your smokes off reservation, you actually pay tax...a lot of tax..which helps offset some of the staggering real and social costs associated with smoking.

cite please. Ppl other than aboriginals are indeed statistics.

So, get lost, go away, and white folk make too many stupid little rules and regulations are your contributions. Oh, and the fact you want to keep aboriginals on the reservation. And they do sell products and services to people off the reserve. They`re called smoke shacks.

lol. Dude, get lost. Classic. How about, uh, no. I've read it. Still don't see it. You may be fine with comparing our democratically elected prime minister and the rest of the citizenship of Canada with nazism, but I'm not. If that is his argument for the statement, I'll ask for clarification each and every damn time. You don't like it? tgdfbah

Please show proof of Harper, and Canada supporting genocide.