GWiz

Some do, some don't, WE have that option, you don't... Get the picture?

Aren't they ALL just methods of payment? I ain't wrong at all...

Now you see, you've obviously learned a lot from from my teaching you how to troll... This is much better, a little bait helps, doesn't it? Flavoured bait with lots of personal attacks, especially on other people than the poster himself is especially interesting, although I'm not sure how effective it is... I guess the only part that escapes me completely is your defending another poster, who in my opinion, and obviously yours as well, is certainly able to speak for himself... How you form your opinions, knowing nothing about me, also escapes me, but then I'm a "to each their own" kinda guy, so feel free to rant away to your hearts content when you troll... The last line was cute and almost made me laugh, so your effort wasn't a complete waste... With a little practice in trolling you just may get good at it now that you've learned that you need bait... Try a Red Devil next TIME to get a better result... Have a nice day...

How sad, an ex navy man that doesn't even know how to fish... You need a lesson? Maybe Ron Paul can teach you... - In attacking Muammar Gaddafi while ignoring the atrocities committed by the House of Saud, President Obama continues the longstanding U.S. tradition of condemning one dictator while shaking hands with another. This is not the change we voted for in 2008. It is business as usual. No wonder he didn't want the issue to go before Congress, where lawmakers like Ron Paul could have engaged in a public debate over the rationale for going to war in Libya. If the past ten years of the War on Terror have taught us anything, it should be that these types of decisions should never be made behind closed doors. - http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979150061 Unbelievable, there are still people in this world that believe there's such a thing as a "war on terror" while at the same TIME wanting Gaddafi, the world's #1 proven terrorist, be let off the hook once again... I guess "damned if you do, damned if you don't" knows no bounds as the Bush Legacy...

I think we think a lot alike (see my prev. post same TIME as yours)...

As the "west" bickers, bitches and waffles Gaddafi takes action proving he knows how to manipulate the Libyan situation to his full advantage... "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" is fracturing the US and the "west" with every move Gaddafi makes... Gaddafi forces shell Libyan city - Libyan government spokesman Ibrahim said Misurata, Libya's third-largest city, was "liberated three days ago" and that Gaddafi's forces were hunting "terrorist elements". But a spokesman for opposition fighters in the city told the AFP news agency that the opposition remained in control despite an onslaught by Gaddafi loyalists, who he said opened fire with tanks and set snipers on roofs to gun down people in the streets. "Casualties fell in their dozens," after snipers and a tank "fired on demonstrators", the spokesman said. The opposition spokesman said Gaddafi's troops "have taken up position along the main road where they have deployed three tanks, as well as positioning snipers on rooftops". Meanwhile, a US F-15 jet crashed in Libya late on Monday, reportedly due to a technical fault during a raid against anti-aircraft defences. The US Africa command said on Tuesday that both its crew ejected safely. A command spokeswoman told AFP news agency that the crash was not a result of hostile action and an investigation to determine the cause of the malfunction was underway. - The Bush Legacy continues and Gaddafi is loving it...

That CPC 7% drop from majority territory to minority territory and the scandals changed that big TIME...

Hey, does Mrs. wyly know you think like this?

Dear lady, I could be wrong about "dual citizenship", things do change, but I'm right about US vs Canadian Health Care Costs... I've even written articles on it... I've done the research... To clarify... Is every "Health" related cost in the US 10x as expensive as the same "Health" related cost in Canada, probably not, but overall, "Health Care" in the the US costs 10x (or more) than it costs in Canada, that's simply a fact... As well every insurance premium Americans pay, regardless of employer or individual source, etc., is a form of private TAX on Americans that Canadians don't have to pay for their Health Care... Americans pay almost double what Canadians do for TAX based Health Care that doesn't cover everyone in the US whereas in Canada it does cover everyone... There are certain advantages Americans get from that higher cost as well, like no Doctor shortage, although that too varies, and things like MRIs and other more sophisticated equipment being readily available and more accessible in the US than in Canada... As for that OHIP card, that's completely wrong, as previously stated, it's not an insurance card as you seem to think, it's proof of residency and that you are covered by that provinces' health plan and nothing more... There's no "reimbursement" element to it... WHO told you the cost and HOW would the person you were talking to even know it? There's no "fee schedule (in most cases)" for someone to look up...

Exactly!

Exactly how is that different from what I said? That's right, it isn't... Before they do anything they ask how you're going to pay for the medical services, if you have insurance(s), as I did, being from Canada they varify the insurance coverage(s) before any treatment begins...

THAT is the thing that virtually no one in the US can get their head around regardless of the blather and bluster they post here... It's the exact OPPOSITE of how it works in the states where the FIRST thing you have to do is tell them how you're going to PAY for any medical services... In my case when I came into the Hospital's emergency I had to wait two hours in great pain while they "checked out" the insurance info "I" gave them before I was seen by a Doctor... Rather bizare since my wife at the TIME worked at that Hospital and she was the one giving them my insurance stuff and personal info since I was in no shape to tell them anything considering the pain I was very obviously in... Another thing, can you imagine any clerk or nurse being ABLE to tell someone how much "treatment" in Canada costs? I can't, at least not without doing a lot of phoning, checking and calculating involving the Doctor and anything else required for said "treatment"... Most Canadian Doctors wouldn't even know how to charge a patient directly...

Or not... Your fallacies show you to be already asleep or at least oblivious to the truth, so in your case, I hope the bed bugs do bite.. G'nite...

Friday to Today > All eyes on Layton ahead of budget "The fate of the 40th Parliament is in Jack Layton’s hands. - The Conservatives will pepper Tuesday’s budget with spending on NDP priorities, such as home-retrofit incentives, help for seniors and more doctors for rural Canada – but it will be Mr. Layton and his 35 New Democratic Party MPs who will decide whether to declare victory or dismiss the Harper government’s offerings as an insincere fig leaf." - Quebec’s $2.2-billion beef with Ottawa - "Tuesday’s federal budget is not expected to resolve what has become a $2.2-billion irritant between Quebec and Ottawa. The dispute involves compensation to Quebec for the 1992 harmonization of the provincial sales tax with the federal GST. Provincial Finance Minister Raymond Bachand said recently he’d be surprised to hear Ottawa commit itself to resolving the issue in the budget." - Ottawa earmarks millions for Quebec bridge - "The Harper government has announced $158-million to fix a crumbling bridge in Montreal that experts say should be replaced, the second multimillion-dollar federal funding pledge in Quebec this week. News of the cash injection was delivered by Conservative Senator Larry Smith, the former CFL commissioner who is viewed as one of the Tory’s hopes for gaining a seat for the party in Montreal." - $21.6-million for Quebec City’s airport? So much for restraint - "There’s an old joke in Quebec that, if someone in Quebec City dies and goes to heaven, he or she has to change planes in Montreal. The joke speaks to the obvious: Montreal is the economic and transportation fulcrum of the province, especially for air travel. It’s closer to the U.S. border, closer to North America’s population centres and, of course, has a population many times greater than Quebec City’s." - Why we’re headed for an election we don’t need - "The Conservatives insist they don’t want an election but act as if they do by papering the country with announcements and attack ads. They think they’ll win with a majority that would leave them in office for four years, or with a minority that would leave them there quite likely for another three. So it’s a win-win for the Conservatives, who have many more safe seats than their adversaries, the impression of a strong economy in their favour, an immovable core of 35 per cent of the voters, and a targeted strategy for suburban ridings built around dumb policies but powerful slogans such as “tough on crime.” The Conservatives would have to run a horrible campaign to lose." - As I said before, starting tomorrow it's gonna get interesting and Harper is still trying hard right up to the last minute to blow his chances...

They knew when you asked for a "cost" of health care, no Canadian asks that... G'nite, sleep tight, and you know the rest...

Awww, poor USA, nobody wants to play nicey, nicey with you anymore so you're gonna cry and pout about it... As always...

No, nuts... http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18306&view=findpost&p=642336

I hear and see that the US is very anxious to "hand off" it's "command and control" of the Libyan mission and that all the "backs" to hand it off to don't want the ball and are running away in different directions, including NATO itself... Damned if you do, damned if you don't, eh...

I did indeed do exactly what you stated I should do... Sorry, no, they didn't "up the price" they just charged you the full costs without any restrictions on those costs as there would be if it was a Canadian patient... Indeed they did... Everyone else that isn't part of Canada's Health Care system... A GOOD family practitioner in Canada with a full patient load earns around $200,000.00 a year paid by the Government and most "healthy" Canadians see their family Doctor, if they have one, at least 3-4 times a year including at least one full annual physical... And it makes no difference if a patient with "health issues" that needs to see a Doctor 20 or more times a year, the Doctor still receives the same "per visit" amount set by the Government... Of course Doctors with "specialties" and Surgeons make substantially more since their rates of pay are higher commensurate with their abilities and expertise... That's not even touching on Canada's much lower costs involved in Hospital care between Government non-profit Hospitals and private for-profit Hospitals where the bulk of "Health Care Costs" come in... That's my side of the story, care to tell me yours? You pay 44 cents per dollar of fed. taxes for your health care, Medicare and Medicaid included, to my paying 23 cents per dollar of my tax dollars for Canada's Health Care system regardless of age... If you don't mind paying that extra 21 cents per tax dollar (dollar differences excluded) PLUS any health insurance you pay I certainly don't mind either...

It's all in the "code"... - "On Monday afternoon, NDP leader Jack Layton remained coy as to whether he could vote for a budget that includes some – but not all – of what his party wants. “We said we want to see very significant help for seniors with the doubling of the Canada Pension plan and improvement of the GIS very significantly to lift all seniors out of poverty,” he said. “We want to see a major retrofit program and the ... federal tax taken off home heating. It’s just simply an unfair tax on people. We need a very significant expansion of doctors and nurses to do family medicine because we’re thousands of personnel short and that’s why we have five million Canadians without family medicine." - As Layton tries to take credit for these Liberal initiatives that were in place prior to the NDP bringing down the Martin Liberal Government and installing the Harper Regime twice, it'll be interesting to see how Layton plays this out... Then there's the Harper Regime's corruption aspect, which would put BOTH the Liberals and the NDP in a better place than defeating the Harper Budget, perhaps there will be some NDPers "ill" for that vote? An interesting week this week, and maybe next week, for sure...

Of course not.. That would be silly... In New York City for example it would likely cost me nearly twice as much as in Florida and Doctors and Nurses get a much higher, nearly double, pay than in Florida to match the much higher cost of living in New York than in Florida... Throughout the US Health Care costs vary but as I stated the Health Care costs are possibly the lowest and certainly among the lowest in Florida which I know the best from being there for some 10 plus years... As to what you pay for any Health Care in Canada being a non-resident of Canada the cost to someone like you would be considerably higher than to a Canadian and rightly so since you don't pay taxes in Canada which is what funds a public health care system... What's most telling of all though is that your federal public health care TAXES, even before so called "Obama Care", were nearly double that which Canadians pay for their entire Health Care system...

Budget to meet two of four NDP demands Nuff said? It could sure explain the NDP in the house today... Will we all know the answers by Friday?

Hmmm, interesting, I can't think of anyone who'd know that better than you... Wanna get back to the subject matter now? Or are we all "trapped" by the Bush Legacy and it doesn't matter what Canada does in Afghanistan or anywhere else any more than it matters any more what the US does or doesn't do?

You'd think with all that plus all the scandals the Harper Regime would be toast and that no "opposition party" could possibly back the Harper Regime in any way shape or form... BUT, we're talking about Canada, Canada's apathetic, uninformed, and at TIMES extremely stupid public, a controversy wanting right leaning media, plus a somewhat flawed political system and the NDP willing to do anything to win a meaningless extra seat or take "credit" for something (anything), so who knows what will happen... I certainly don't...

Then you'd know that the cost of Health Care in Florida is among the lowest in the US right? As well as Doctors and Nurses being paid less that almost anywhere in the US, which I'm sure you are also aware of... If you'd like to give me an example of where in the US I can travel without NEEDING extra insurance beyond my Canadian Health Care Coverage, which is limited to what the same proceedure would cost in Canada, please feel free to do so... Incidentally the "billing" from the Surgeon alone (a seperate bill than "Hospital Related") was triple what the entire procedure cost in Canada... I think dear lady you knowest not whereoff you speak in this case...