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At least it's being discussed. and as long as it's being discussed there are some truths that will come out of it all. Hudson is right and what he says could apply for both sides. What isn't right is that some of the rhetoric against the Palestinian people is just onesided and the Zionist apologists can't come to understand that they're being hypocritical about it by picking sides. I see now that Michael Hardner is not going to be able to rise above the rabble on the issue. I'm ashamed to think that he ever was. Being critical of the Zionist's apartheid regime always seems to bring quick censorship on a forum such as this. I don't expect this forum to be much different but I could be surprised. There's little doubt the waters have to be tested because it's supporting genocide against a people if one doesn't. Here's an idea though, if it hurts your sensibilities then substitute Saddam Hussein in any place where I use the Zionist term and it will immediately make it all right again.

Boges, if you wish to get into the details then stick with me and stop the sarcasm of the sort I detected in your last post. That is, to do with your first assertion that life under Saddam wasn't peaceful and settled, relative to other ME Arab countries. Fwiw, I've already posted links to the truths of pre-US wars against Iraq. And if you want to just win an argument without acknowledging the facts then join the crowd. I accept that which you concede and have always been in total agreement. Yes, the US has to own that. I can only speculate on how ISIS will turn Iraq and Syria but I think that in the longterm it's going to evolve into a large and powerful caliphate that will seek nuclear weapons as a deterrent to US aggression. But let's stay with pre-war Iraq and the facts for now.

Rue, see my post to Michael Hardner, then respond to what I've said there. I'm not inferring to you that you are of the same high character as Michael but I think my words still apply. If you contain any moral character whatsoever you will address that which I've said and stop your kneejerk grade school level babbling. I stand by my words: The Palestinian people must use every means at their disposal to fight back against that evil apartheid regime. Ask me for examples if you don't understand what I'm saying. One example would be my joking about Abraham's mother's milk cow. It's n indication of just how onesided the conflict has become. And the only reason why you don't understand me is because we differ on which side is the side of righteousness.

Michael Hardner: Not at all Michael, Apartheid and Nazi tactics against a people can always be legitimately countered with violence. It only requires justification in the eyes of those observing. The atomic bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima stand out as examples of justification. I, along with more civilized human being will maintain that the preferred victims of revenge be the government and it's military that stand responsible. Others won't rise to that level and will celebrate the slaughter of the civilian population. Some will never come out and publicly stand responsible for what the US did to Iraq or even Vietnam for that matter. That's what should be concerning a man of your apparent high character. You're way out of line on that one Michael, and it's disappointing because you have shown yourself to usually be much better. It's politics Michael, and you are opposed to mine. You're becoming impatient at my assertions and are now losing your otherwise wise perspective over the issues raised. I suspect that you will also begin to act out on how you feel about the issues too. I hope you can bring it back for yourself and prove me wrong. If you don't then I won't fail to mention it.

US propaganda to justify war against Iraq is nearly impossible to reverse at this stage of the game. However, those that can't bear to just shut their eyes at knowing the truth don't need any further convincing. Some will look into the facts and put the pieces together and some will not. I doesn't make a lot of difference anyway except that the US has earned a reputation in the eyes of the world for lying to justify war and that will play against the US in the future. It will play negatively in that they will fail to enlist support that is necessary in order to maintain the image of being on the side of right and justice. Those countries opposed to US aggression will reap the benefits of that loss of the moral high ground by the US. And in fact it's already given Russia and China the momentum they will put to good use. Boges: No, there are no ME Arab countries that have progressed that far yet. But it's undeniable that Iraq had succeeded to place itself above nearly all other ME Arab dictatorships and monarchies, under Saddam's rule. The truth that can't be denied is that the US supports and props up the worst of them. Shady's uninformed and kneejerk spamming does little to dispel that truth.

That truth is evident and it doesn't need me to support it any longer. A little story for you though: Last Saturday night the Zionists fired a rocket into the Palestinian territories which was meant to take out a Palestinian freedom fighter. It did and it took out seven Palestinian families at the same time which accounted for 45 dead children and 6 dead adults. But on a much more horribly note of disregard for humanity, the Palestinians fired a homemade rocket back at the same time, taking out three resident groundhogs in Abraham's mother's cow pasture, severely disturbing the cow's peaceful cud chewing, which caused her to dry up, (the cow, not abe's mom,) and in turn depriving Abraham's newborn son of his fresh milk for an hour or two. Or at least as long as it took for Abraham to get to the corner store and buy some *milk for the poor thing. (thing meaning the baby, not his mother or her cow) *Abraham's mom is suing for the lack of payment for the milk. Oy vey, ahhhhhhhhhh, the humanity!

Good one! It just sticks in some people's craws that it happened the way it did and there's no other way of spinning it. I'm wondering now if Putin will decide to take the whole Ukraine? it seems like the violence against the people of the Southern and Eastern Ukraine is meant to push and push until he does react. Actually, I think not because he's got the situation fairly well under control the way it is. But he also must know that the US/Nato can only push so much and always stop short of a conflict directly with Russia. The nuclear deterrant comes to our rescue again! There's also a good possibility that when the temperatures again hit -20 or so, the Ukraine is going to come crawling back to him.

Not even close, I just have to pretend so I can use you.

I would call you a pedophile and report you to the police for it if I thought you were for real.

When you don't have a large military with huge Weapons of mass destruction and nukes, you don't put on a uniform and ask to be annihilated. You do what you have to do the same way freedom fighters throughout history have done it. However, my first concern is to not give them a reason to 'do' it. In any case, if we do continue to interfere, a nuclear warhead created glass parking lot is coming to a city near you! Get you tickets now! So let me guarantee you this pal, if Israel takes out the cause that they are trying to put down with their practice of apartheid, the countries that supported it won't be picked off at random, they'll be picked off en masse. Nobody wins, every body loses.

Leave me out of it, it's not about me. This forum was a decent place before you started your personal attacks and spamming of the threads, all because you can't deal with your anger and are incapable of debating like an adult.

How do you feel about the wings thingy vs. the 72 virgins? Or being an equal opportunity poster here, how about 72 nice little boys? Your choice!

Only when people request separation from their country and express that wish nearly unanimously in a referendum. Same goes for Iraq had they voted in a referendum to join the US. Fair's fair right? And same for our own Quebec if they had succeeded in their referendum to separate. But no bombing from 30,000 feet and killing an estimated 1 million people! Fair is fair!

Well at least you aren't claiming an humanitarian cocern for savinig the Iraqi people, and that's a good start. If Canada is at threat from ISIS or ISIL, it's only because we have signed on to a part of the US aggression against ME Arab countries for the sole purpose of oil. So your question is quite valid, what do we do now? Do we stop aligning ourselves with US evil and aggression or do we try to make matters even worse? Make no mistake friends, they ain't going to attack tall building in China! Canada could be that safe too if we start correcting our wrongs now!

Yeah, and all the Christians will be raptured up into the sky too. Which prophecy first is the only question. And fourthly, Saddam united all Muslims in a peaceful Iraq. And fifthly, Allahu Akbar and thank you jesus and god save the queen!

US never really left Iraq Shady. And now they're going to build up the numbers again. Ya think? Will the US get back into Iraq in the thousnads or will they just try bombing the people from 30,000 feet again. Chance to show your knowledge of the situation here Shady! So far your responses have been a little disappointing haven' they?

And stay there if they aren't given a reason to come over here because the US is over there. Have they been given the reason to enact bigtime revenge yet? If not then it would be a good time for the US to stop meddling.

In truth, Bush2 tried to do Iraq first before doing Afghanistan for 9/11. Did you know that? A little truth for you to detect maybe?

Somebody should have told the US that before they attacked Iraq in revenge for the 9/11 attacks that were the work of the Saudis? Hey wait a minute?

I don't support the murder of teenagers and I don't support the muder of Palestinian children by the Zionists. I do understand that the Zionist brutality against the Palestinian people is going to lead to "REVENGE" attacks against Zionists. Have a nice day! p.s. Watch the 'balls' style personal attacks please. Try to get along with me even though you don't agree with me.

I'm sorry about your anger but you're not going to bring me down to your level. So happy Canada day again! And here's hoping you'll get over your obvious hate for Chinese people and Muslims. It's really quite irrational you know. Smile! Be happy!

Ask any decent law abiding Canadian, only those with a chip on their shoulder would hate those of Chinese heritage or of the Mulim religious persuasion. I think you're confusing Canadians for Ameericans who are schooled from the cradle to hate others who are different. Happy Canada day fellow Canadian!

Chopping body parts off, shooting black people on the pretence of standing your ground, I'll go with the body parts bit for Canada if we have to choose. And I'm going with the 72 virgins over a pair of useless wings on my back. I hate all religions and that makes me different from you I guess because you seem to only hate one. Fear Dog, love the queen!

Why do you keep urging me to go somewhere and I have to keep telling you that I'm not going anywhere? As to your legitimate remark, once you got around to voicing it: You're right that fear kept the Iraqi people in line. It's very similar to the fear that keeps Canadians in line and out of trouble. It's called the law. And in the case of Iraq, it kept Iraq together and it kept the people safe from civil war or civil disobedience against others. Why is it that your apparently irrational siding with US evil is keeping you from understanding the very basic concepts?

Immigrants in general are not anything like the way you want to characterize them. Most by far come to Canada and make good Canadians. That includes Chinese people and Muslims. Please stop expressing racist and ethnic hate on this forum. It's objectionable and should be stopped, if not by this forum's moderators then by decent Canadians who shouldn't have to hear it.