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The also wore masks and obeyed protocols from the get go.

Turns out that the countries (and Canadian provinces) who locked down the hardest have had the fewest deaths and best economic performance, according to this study France did, covering 82 million people. "By almost every measure, nations that decided to eliminate the virus have achieved better results. “They are seeing significantly fewer deaths, their economies are performing more strongly, and their people are not held back to the same degree by mobility restrictions, whether voluntary or mandatory. Nor have they had to cancel other medical treatment.” In contrast, nations that pursued mitigation programs are now battling variants that are more lethal and contagious with a variety of “circuit breakers” and “emergency brakes." "As Canada’s experience illustrates, the implications of the two policies for ordinary people have been profound, said the report. It found that half of Canada, which adopted a rigorous elimination approach, has fared much better than Canada’s most populous provinces — generally led by premiers who have emphasized impacts on the economy over the other considerations. In provinces and territories that worked at eliminating the virus, traffic in restaurants and bars and cafés, for example, declined by only 21 per cent this year as the variants emerged. In contrast, traffic declined by 42 per cent in the mitigation provinces, according to Google data. “Canada thus benefits from a pilot test area that shows the superiority of the Zero COVID strategy and its feasibility in a democratic continental country,” notes the report. The lingering cost of ‘half-measures’ The Canadian data “suggest that the French strategy, consisting of sustained efforts to mitigate the virus without eradicating it, stems from a miscalculation, insofar as it does not provide for a return to a near-normal situation.” The high economic and mental cost of one effective lockdown as opposed to half measures “is not lasting when they help eradicate the virus and remove the restrictions on people and economies on a sustainable basis,” added the report. “Meanwhile, the beneficial nature of curfews and other half-measures fades away when we see that they extend over time, multiplying the economic and social costs, as is the case today in France.”

Also, retail establishments can stay open in hot spots under this new "shutdown". But personal care and dining are halted in places where the outbreak wasn't so bad. There were 6 plus weeks where this was allowed without a drastic spike in cases in many of the regions surrounding Toronto. I hope DoFo gets murdered for this Shutdown.

I think that the lockdowns would not have had to be so extended and repeated if he had handled the pandemic better. And I think we wasted money by spraying it around with firehoses, spending more than any other nation. No. All are NOT losers. Asia has come through this fine. There are way more deaths in Canada than in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Taiwan COMBINED. And yes, I would have handled it better. And I can say that without hindsight. Back in January of last year I was paying attention to China. I ordered a bunch of N95 masks as well as a P100 halfmask with spare filters and nitrile gloves. Therefore I can say I would have called in my health people and asked what our situation was with masks and other PPE gear, how much we had, how much we would need if this thing got here. Which I expected to happen. When the public health agency was saying the risk to Canadians was minimal I would have demanded an explanation and then overruled them once I heard their idiotic justification. I would have closed the border to planes from China and ordered health checks, and then quarantines on those coming in, and would have quickly expanded that to Italy and other countries once the disease started hitting there. I also would have started working on producing PPE gear here, not waited till March to put out feelers, and would have gotten quickly involved in vaccine efforts with an eye on producing them in Canada. THAT is what I would have thrown money at, at preventing deaths, at preventing the spread of the disease. Not simply at people and businesses to stay home while whatever happened happened.

It may be too complicated for the single reflex propaganda folks to grasp the difference between general statistical risk (occasional drivers averaged with professional racers ) and individual condition-related ones (professional racer). If the effect can be linked to or affect someone with a previous condition, they should be entitled to full compensation. For some saying "completely safe" is just as easy as "travel from Wuhan is no problem" and complacency would only encourage this careless attitude to other people's health and their duties with over-generous compensation at public expense.

I think you are misunderstanding my intent. I don't want to launch a trade war with China on moral grounds. What I want is to remove Chinese influence here. I want to limit the number of Chinese diplomats, remove their non-diplomatic operatives who work for the Confucius institutes and the United Front and shut them down, greatly increase the size of CSIS and CSE and do much more to interrupt China's efforts to bully and blackmail their expatriates in Canada. I also want laws similar to what Australia has put in place to limit their influence with politicians at any level. I feel these are necessary not out of a sense of moral outrage but for defending our sovereignty from a hostile foreign power. The actions I mention in the earlier post are those I feel will be necessary merely as part of actions taken after China retaliates against us for this.

You have an over 30% chance of developing clots if you wind up in ICU from covid. Maybe the government should just say fuck it, we aren't going to provide vaccines if we are going to get sued for every bad reaction. BTW, No one is being forced to take any vaccine. If you don't like the odds, don't take it.

Stop lying and spreading virus disonformation,, Just today they announced another 30 Britons have the blood clots. The Netherlands has banned AZ for anyone below 65. Meanwhile in Canada, it is 55. At least that's what it is the last time I checked so it could change any day now, go up or down as it did before. Because they don't really know. Personally, I see no reason to play Russian roulette,, with peolpes lives...