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This is likely the modern result of the original need to make as cohesive a society as possible out of two linguistically, culturally, and religiously different groups.

...and the Natives get left out, yet again. I'm not criticizing you, rather our culture that fosters this perception.

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I can imagine him joining Chretien in smug satisfaction or happiness at the September 11 attacks.

You can imagine who "joining in," and what "smug satisfaction or happiness" are you referring to in regards to Chretien?

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His interview a year later.

That doesn't answer either of my questions - Who? Or what was said by Chretien that expressed "smug satisfaction?"

I'll add a third question as it's not really clear to me what you are speaking in reference of - "smug satisfaction" and "happiness" that 9-11 happened, or that he "knew" why it happened?

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That doesn't answer either of my questions - Who? Or what was said by Chretien that expressed "smug satisfaction?"

I'll add a third question as it's not really clear to me what you are speaking in reference of - "smug satisfaction" and "happiness" that 9-11 happened, or that he "knew" why it happened?

He said we earned it by getting "too rich". The interview was horrific.

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I am supposing jbg is referring to this interview with Jean Chretien where he said something to the effect of:

In a CBC interview taped in July and aired last night, Mr. Chrétien suggested that the root causes of the Sept. 11 attacks were global poverty and an overbearing American foreign policy.

"It's always the problem when you read history -- everybody doesn't know when to stop. There's a moment when you have to stop, there's a moment when you are very powerful," he said.

Immediately following Sept. 11, Canadian politicians rejected the "root causes" argument, saying the attacks were the work of irrational fanatics that had nothing to do with legitimate grievances.

But Mr. Chrétien told CBC that religious fanatics are using the anger and resentment of the world's poor to fuel their terrorism.

"I do think that the Western world is getting too rich in relations to the poor world," he said.

"And necessarily, we're looked upon as being arrogant, self-satisfied, greedy and with no limits. And the 11th of September is an occasion for me to realize it even more."

He sounds almost as bad as, gasp, Ron Paul.

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What Chretien said was right... you can't constantly bomb countries and then not make any enemies so yes foreign policy played a huge role

I guess the truth hurts?

However Chretien was not smug nor was he satisfied 9/11 happened

prove he was smug and SATISFIED

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Why do I feel as if you're not answering my questions? :unsure:

I apologize. MSJ quoted it here (link). I was a bit exhausted and knew Chretien's "blame the victim" interview occurred but was too lazy to dig it up. To be exact this is what was said, and we've had this discussion, with you on my side (link) before. And I give you enough credit to doubt you've changed your mind. Excerpts:

"It's always the problem when you read history -- everybody doesn't know when to stop. There's a moment when you have to stop, there's a moment when you are very powerful..."

"I do think that the Western world is getting too rich in relations to the poor world..."

"And necessarily, we're looked upon as being arrogant, self-satisfied, greedy and with no limits. And the 11th of September is an occasion for me to realize it even more...."

"I told them: When you are powerful like you are, you guys, it's the time to be nice..."

"And it is one of the problems -- you cannot exercise your powers to the point of humiliation of the others.

"And that is what the Western world -- not only the Americans but the Western world -- has to realize."

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What Chretien said was right... you can't constantly bomb countries and then not make any enemies so yes However Chretien was not smug nor was he satisfied 9/11 happened

prove he was smug and SATISFIED

To quote Chretien, "a proof is a proof".
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You mean like Mao, Stalin, and Hitler?

Not necessarily,unless you are lumping those 3 into the same ideological camp?

Jim Jones,anyone?

By the way,there is at least one "God hater" here who tried (in vain) to tell me that Hitler was a radical Catholic,seemingly on orders from The Vatican...

By the way,you do realize that General Francisco Franco called himself a "Conservative Monarchist",right?

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Not necessarily,unless you are lumping those 3 into the same ideological camp?

Jim Jones,anyone?

By the way,there is at least one "God hater" here who tried (in vain) to tell me that Hitler was a radical Catholic,seemingly on orders from The Vatican...

By the way,you do realize that General Francisco Franco called himself a "Conservative Monarchist",right?

Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian is definitely of his/her rocker.

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Yes I already answered that question on the last page.

The difference is that ALL religious people have somewhat radical beliefs.

:lol:

Ummmm. No. Not true at all, any more than ALL atheists have somewhat radical beliefs.

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