"Shut up and fit in"

[jennie]

The Coast Salish Indigenous Action Movement supports the Indo-Canadian call for VANOC to fire Bruce Allen from the Olympic Committee.

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"Activist calls for Bruce Allen's removal from Olympics committee"

HERE HE GOES AGAIN!

Bruce Allen on the Rant Again!

See Raven's Eye article at the end of Globe and Mail article. Way back in 2000 I organized a rally against CFOX Radio and Bruce Allen which hit all the papers and tv media. One day, on his show, he noted that there was talk about a proposed roadblock by First Nations individuals in Vernon. He began his rant and although this particular show wasn't a call in.. he fielded calls. He enjoyed his conversations with the racist callers but degraded, hung up on and made fun of those who supported First Nations issues. I tried to call in but it was too too busy. I called in to the office to share my concern and requested an apology to our people from Bruce Allen or we would take action. No call was forthcoming and the station had decided no action was to be taken against their staff, that no actual wrong-doing had taken place. I called our people, faxed, posted posters. We organized a rally outside of CFOX and organized a rally against media racism outside of the Bayshore Inn where a Human Rights Conference was being held.

Bruce Allen was suspended for a bit and yah.. it was good enough at the time.

Those who know how to do archival searches can find Van Prov and Sun articles and photos. At the end of that year the story ended up being one of the Province's headlines of the year!

Manager's radio remarks spark storm of outrage

ROD MICKLEBURGH

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

September 22, 2007 at 1:04 AM EDT

VANCOUVER — Bruce Allen, the veteran, outspoken manager of many Canadian music stars including Michael Bublé and Bryan Adams, is facing calls for his removal from the 2010 Winter Olympics' creative team over controversial remarks he made about immigrants.

In one of his regular commentaries on radio station CKNW, Mr. Allen charged last week that Canada is being pilloried by "special-interest groups" who want special rules for themselves.

He mentioned "turban-wearing Mounties," those who complain about having to wear motorcycle helmets over their turbans, and the controversy over whether veiled women should be allowed to vote.

"If you choose to come to a place like Canada, then shut up and fit in," Mr. Allen declared, adding that demands from special-interest groups are easy to solve.

"There is the door. If you don't like the rules, hit it. We don't need you here. You have another place to go. It's called home. See ya."

Mr. Allen's comments evoked a storm of outrage within the Indo-Canadian community. Punjabi radio hot-line shows have been deluged by angry callers demanding some kind of action be taken against Mr. Allen. At least one complaint has been lodged with the CRTC.

... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.h...e55&k=45653

If he is just doing it for 'dramatic effect' for his radio show, then he would be willing to apologize. The guy is a jerk and should not be on the Olympic organizing committee. What kind of role model is that for kids?

Edited September 26, 2007 by jennie

[Borg]

He is simply echoing a growing movement in this country.

Like it or not it is happening.

It will continue.

Borg

[betsy]

He is simply echoing a growing movement in this country.

Like it or not it is happening.

It will continue.

Borg

Amen to that.

[Leafless]

If he is just doing it for 'dramatic effect' for his radio show, then he would be willing to apologize. The guy is a jerk and should not be on the Olympic organizing committee. What kind of role model is that for kids?

It is Rod Micleburg who is the jerk and not Bruce Allen.

Rod Mickleburg should keep his mouth shut if he cannot promote Canadianism.

This is the thing with lefty socialist minorities and visible minorities is that they are unable to defend their interest with common sense rhetoric and take the easy way out and play the race card.

This is outright hate to do such a thing against a citizen of Canada (Bruce Allen) who is trying to promote Canadianism rather than have the core of Canadian culture fractured by cultural rednecks who refuse to adapt to Canada's mainstream culture.

Bruce Allen should direct some of his energies at the federal government to re-write, modify or scrap the TROUBLESOME AND DISCRIMINATORY, 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.

[Shakeyhands]

Canada is such a great place to live. Room for everyone, including racists and bigots.

[guyser]

It is Rod Micleburg who is the jerk and not Bruce Allen.

I take it then you agree with Allen? Wonderful!

Rod Mickleburg should keep his mouth shut if he cannot promote Canadianism.

What is canadianism? Crapping on people who legally live here and pay the same taxes as you?

Sorry, only in your misplaced world. Most of Canada do not support troglodytes and racists. A few do, ahem....but most dont.

This is the thing with lefty socialist minorities and visible minorities is that they are unable to defend their interest with common sense rhetoric and take the easy way out and play the race card.

Thats quite funny since it was Allen that played the race card, by opening his well known to be, big mouth.

This is outright hate to do such a thing against a citizen of Canada (Bruce Allen) who is trying to promote Canadianism rather than have the core of Canadian culture fractured by cultural rednecks who refuse to adapt to Canada's mainstream culture.

Wow, you sure do see the world through some cockamammy glasses.Lets see...it was Allen who spouted the hate against legal citizens, it was Allen who is the redneck, and obviously has some brethren hereabouts.Nah, you wont see that.

For you see, Allen was wrong, dead wrong, but I know you wont be truthful and see that. You will ignore, to the many who read, that Allen was talking about a veil being worn to vote, and you know, but wont admit , that wearing a veil has never been illegal. Wearing a turban was not against the rules, but I know you wont admit the truth.

Ahh the redneck, I can imagine you do know what one is, and in fact far better than most.

Bruce Allen should direct some of his energies at the federal government to re-write, modify or scrap the TROUBLESOME AND DISCRIMINATORY, 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms'.

Allen should stick to managing, something that may be removed from him, that is if Buble and the rest have any balls.

Oh of course your only response, and in fact do you have a key already programmed for your keyboard listed as "Charter of risghts and freedoms", you use it for everything from talking about fish to toilet paper.

But I will make a bet with you. I say Allen is gone from the VOC , and suspended at the very least, if not fired from the radio station.

[Leafless]

Canada is such a great place to live. Room for everyone, including racists and bigots.

Can't defend your statement "Canada is such a great place to live" with intelligent rhetoric but rather again pull the race card and resort to labelling of your fellow Canadians with hate inspired words.

Do you support a country that had a primary culture that has been fragmented by other cultures?

If you do then your living in the right PLACE 'not a COUNTRY' as Canada defies the dictionary primary definition of a 'COUNTRY', 1. (a) The territory of a nation with its own government; a State. ( a territory possesing its own language, people, culture etc." Definiton taken from the Concise Oxford Dictionary.

[M.Dancer]

Do you support a country that had a primary culture that has been fragmented by other cultures?

Absolutely as living in wigwams, longhouses, teepees and igloss gets old pretty fast.

By the way, I just had leftovers for lunch, spanish rice and lean steak with Tandori chicken....Now I'm parched so I'm off to Rabba to get a Brio Chinotto....

[Shakeyhands]

I support a country that is made up of all kinds of people, I certainly don't profess to be better than others that come here. I know plenty of families of whom you might/would question the first generation here, but whose second and third generations fit in just fine and make this an outstanding place to live. And truth be told, the first generation make it so as well.... we're ALL immigrants.

In the end, based on the previous posts, I gotta call a spade a spade.... and it certainly isn't based on this thread only.

[Wilber]

VANOC has said Allen isn't going anywhere and I agree. He was asked to get involved because of his connections in the entertainment industry. In that capacity I'm sure he will do a great job and it is a volunteer position. He doesn't need the work. Part of his job at CKNW is to stir up controversy which he does regularly. I think that is a positive thing because issues get aired instead of festering under the surface because everyone feels they have to tiptoe around them.

I listened to his rant and thought it was boorish, but that's just Allen in his radio persona. I also thought the police wearing turbans was a dead issue. It certainly is among police officers. Although he could have done a better job of it, he is expressing a real feeling among many people in that they are getting tired of hearing special interest groups lobbying to have laws changed to suit their customs rather than adopting the laws of the land. Pretending that feeling doesn't exist won't make it go away. Better to talk about it. Periodic venting is better than waiting for the big bang.

Apparently this has been big on Facebook with many advocating he lose his Olympic job and threatening violence against him. If that is their concept of tolerance and free speech, Allen has a good point.

[guyser]

Do you support a country that had a primary culture that has been fragmented by other cultures?

Sure do. So do you , but you wont admit it.

The Italians, who built plenty in this land and introduced lots of good food and festivals to this country.

The Ukranians have made a great contribution to this land. Go yell your rhetoric in rural Manitoba. When your done, I will book you an appt with a dentist.

Germans have contributed plenty.I will by you all the beer you want in order for you to have the guts to stand on a table at Oktoberfest and spew your rhetoric.

Lets have some Haggis on Robbie Burns day , want to go there and tell them they are all worthless? (oh this one would be fun to watch) Never had a beer on St Paddy's day?

The Brits are/were immigrants too. Methinks you might be of this group.

Do you include Americans and their culture which overwhelmingly shapes ours even if in an anti way?

Wow, you hate americans, good for you ! Tell them how you feel.

[jefferiah]

The turbans on mounties is an excellent point. The mountie uniform is the mountie uniform. That should be the way it is. There is no law against wearing a turban, but when you work for a job that requires a certain uniform you should not expect that organization to change its rules on your behalf. He makes a good point that probably a good percentage of Canadians agree with. It's not racist to expect people to abide by the rules of our society when they come here. It's common sense.

It's silly that these people want some sort of action taken against this man because he expects that our society should expect people to conform to it a little rather than try to change our laws to suit themselves. They cannot handle him having his rather reasonable opinion put out on the air, so they must take some kind of action, rather than provide a reasonable debate, to which there is none. If I were him I would not apologize. He is not saying they have to act stereotypically Canadian all day long or anything. They can practice any culture they want in their own time. But if you want to be an RCMP you wear the same uniform that the rest of the RCMP have to wear. Simple as that. No special treatment. I can't wear my Habs jersey as a military uniform. Doesn't sound like the words of a bad role model, but a person whose idea of fairness has not been warped by the left. Good on him.

Edited September 29, 2007 by jefferiah

[jefferiah]

Do Italians demand Gucci uniforms when they join the RCMP?

Edited September 27, 2007 by jefferiah

[Shakeyhands]

are Gucci suits or Habs jerseys (yeeck) part and parcel of an organized religion? Do we tell Jewish doctors or lawyers (or candlestick makers) that they cannot wear a Yalmakah while practising medicine, law or forementioned candle stick making while they wear the uniforms for that? In fact using your proffesion, are jewish soldiers not permitted to wear theirs? Curious on that one.

Edited September 26, 2007 by Shakeyhands

[guyser]

The turbans on mounties is an excellent point.

The everyday Mountie uniform does not include the dress reds and wide brimmed hat. The dress they use is hardly indistinguishable from the regular cops that can be nearby.

If Gucci is a religious aspect....................

[geoffrey]

If Gucci is a religious aspect....................

Religion should get no more consideration than fashion in a secular society.

[jefferiah]

What difference does it make if they are part and parcel of law. Being a lawyer is not the same as being in the army or the police force is it? The lawyer does not really have a uniform, unless you count the gown and if you want to add a hat that is fine. I am sure there would be no objection to a lawyer wearing a turban either. The police already have a hat. That is part of the uniform.

Are candlestick makers required to wear a uniform at all?

Some friends of mine could argue that the Habs jersey is a part of my religion. But nonetheless. Why should it matter if it is part of some religion? I am guessing you are part of that faction of society that believes where government institutions are involved religion ought to be checked at the door. Well how about a little consistency. If I have to check my Bible at the door (which I keep unsharpened by the way), what is wrong with expecting a Sikh to keep his dagger checked at the door. The police uniform is the police uniform. If you are lucky enough to come to this country you should be able to abide by the rules rather than whine about them.

[jefferiah]

I remember that at the time that the turban was allowed their was a great outcry from Canadians all over about this, and I still hear it today, among friends and neighbours. So perhaps people should also complain and ask that action be taken against the many average Canadians who happen to be of the opinion that people who come to this country should not try to change its rules to suit them.

[weaponeer]

I agree, fit in or get out. I am not racist, I do not hate anyone based on skin colour, religion or any other criteria, but this is CANADA. Canada is for Canadians, there is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing wrong with our culture. We seem to be changing everything to accomidate people. If they want to come here they should adapt to our way of doing things. That's not racism, however if you say it, your labeled a racist by these self hating liberals that have done everything they can to turn Canada into something we no longer recognize.

There is no need for the RCMP to wear turbins, baseball caps, spiked kiaser helmets or any other head dress other than their stetsons. Fit in, or do not apply. It is NOT wrong, every other country does it. People have been immigrating for thousands of years, fit into your new home.

[M.Dancer]

I agree, fit in or get out. I am not racist, I do not hate anyone based on skin colour, religion or any other criteria, but this is CANADA. Canada is for Canadians, there is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing wrong with our culture. We seem to be changing everything to accomidate people. If they want to come here they should adapt to our way of doing things. That's not racism, however if you say it, your labeled a racist by these self hating liberals that have done everything they can to turn Canada into something we no longer recognize.

There is no need for the RCMP to wear turbins, baseball caps, spiked kiaser helmets or any other head dress other than their stetsons. Fit in, or do not apply. It is NOT wrong, every other country does it. People have been immigrating for thousands of years, fit into your new home.

I could easliy say that wearing an american hat while being Sikh is as uncanadian as it gets. Anyone brave enough and committed enough to serve in the RCMP should be allowed within reason to also participate in their religion and within reason to follow the code of their religion. Wearing a turban isn't unreasonable. Forcing people to cast off their religion in order to be good canadians is.

I suspect the stories of Sihk RCMP officers complaining about helmets is false.

[Wilber]

I think wearing a turban probably makes it easier for these police to work in the Sikh community. That is a positive thing. Personally, I am not intimidated by the sight of an officer in a turban, I think it looks rather smart and makes them look taller and more imposing. A good thing in that line of work. There is no need for a police officer to wear a hat at all. Other than their dress uniform, our police department does not wear hats unless the weather requires it and then it is baseball hats or watch caps if necessary. I think headgear is a valid issue when it is required for safety or to actually do a job. In such cases there is often a valid argument for refusing to allow an activity unless the required headgear is used. I know a Sikh who was a CF-18 driver and I don't think he would have got the job if he insisted on wearing a turban. The helmet with its systems is necessary to fly the aircraft and I can't imagine having to eject at over 300 knots without one.

[guyser]

Am I mistaken as I thought you to be in the military? If so I find it hard to believe you posted this.

I agree, fit in or get out. I am not racist, I do not hate anyone based on skin colour, religion or any other criteria, but this is CANADA. Canada is for Canadians, there is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing wrong with our culture. We seem to be changing everything to accomidate people. If they want to come here they should adapt to our way of doing things. That's not racism, however if you say it, your labeled a racist by these self hating liberals that have done everything they can to turn Canada into something we no longer recognize.

There is no need for the RCMP to wear turbins, baseball caps, spiked kiaser helmets or any other head dress other than their stetsons. Fit in, or do not apply. It is NOT wrong, every other country does it. People have been immigrating for thousands of years, fit into your new home.

Considering that your own profession does this and you have yet to be concerned about it, why would you outside in "civilian" life?

Here it is, you can read more...

Specifically, the policy requires the Canadian Forces to:

Raise awareness regarding the extensive work already done with respect to cultural and religious accommodations in the Canadian Forces;

http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/CommitteePubli...SourceId=203568

[guyser]

Religion should get no more consideration than fashion in a secular society.

You mean secular, as in not promoting one religion over another right, and not using the religion to make determinations as respects the law , right?

Edited September 26, 2007 by guyser

[JB Globe]

Rod Mickleburg should keep his mouth shut if he cannot promote Canadianism.

What's Canadianism?

[jefferiah]

I could easliy say that wearing an american hat while being Sikh is as uncanadian as it gets. Anyone brave enough and committed enough to serve in the RCMP should be allowed within reason to also participate in their religion and within reason to follow the code of their religion. Wearing a turban isn't unreasonable. Forcing people to cast off their religion in order to be good canadians is.

I suspect the stories of Sihk RCMP officers complaining about helmets is false.

Asking someone to wear the uniform of the occupation is not asking someone to give up his or her religion, Dancer. If they do not like the RCMP uniform, they don't have to apply. If I don't like what Scientology teaches, I don't have to join the faith. I am not going to ask them to change their dogma to suit my needs.