ALL CANNABIS CANADIANS VOTE GREEN

shavluk · October 18, 2007

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=...line-news_rss20
Go Green Go.....

The poll was and is understandable ,enough for an answer ,,you are just nit picking.

The deaths from cannabis "alone" is what you and I eluded to and I do not see any by your response,,,

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These shocking results prove beyond doubt the dangers of drug-driving, and of mixing drink and drugs before getting behind the wheel,â€ says Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, the UKâ€™s national road safety charity*****

Again you are just showing your intended ignorance.

I don't think I will bother with you any more as you seem to enjoy it too much.

I am only after those with the right stuff and they are listening and will vote for us GREENS !

Anyone else look at that video ??

If we have jailed 2 million in the states with 70 % drug related and created 800 thousand here in Canada with a criminal record to save on car insurance again we are going the wrong way.

This is not and has never been a question of health or safety,,,,no matter how you try to twist things.

The only 2 governments to study cannabis(UK and Australia) both concluded we drove better under the influence of cannabis than we did sober,,,don't like that ask harper why he cut the 4 million in funding that would have confirmed these things.

ITS CALLED IMPAIRED DRIVING AND SHOULD BE ABOUT IMPAIRED DRIVING

Whether it be from alcohol or drugs ,, legal or illegal,,,,yes?

IMPAIRMENT IS KEY HERE AND NOT THE RIGHTS OF POLICE TO ARBITRARILY STOP EVERYONE TO PEE IN A BOTTLE

USE THE VIDEO THEY HAVE IN THEIR CARS TO SHOW IMPAIRMENT !!!!!

Have a nice day and thanks for the comments to keep my thread going.

I would ask that you base your comments on reality and not your own personal discriminatory practises.

shavluk · October 18, 2007

How much was spent to do this for 50 dollars worth of cannabis begged by 3 obviously adult girls from a business licensed operator and not a biker with poisoned pot?

http://www.mapleridgenews.com/portals-code...2510&more=0

****Three undercover police women first met Perry, a man in his 30s with dark brown hair and shaggy bangs, on April 19, 2005.

Dressed in blue jeans and an Orange County Chopper T-shirt, he was quick to chat with the girls as they walked through his store, each officer making mental notes and keeping keen details of each isle.

They detailed all the contents of the shelves in a report to their supervisor: drug pipes and "bongs," big and small; "The Volcano," a special marijuana smoking device; videos and books on how to grow marijuana; nutrients to reap a healthy pot crop; and a petition urging marijuana legalization

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April 19th ???

That's like going around on December 24th to see if you can find anything to do with Christmas,,,,

AND !!

WHERE IS THE COCAINE ????

AFTER ELUDING TO ITS SALE ????????? AND USING THAT FOR AN INVESTIGATION ???

CRAP !

VOTE GREEN JUST TO START THE POLICE EARNING THEIR MONEY THE RIGHT WAY

BY GOING AFTER VIOLENT OFFENDERS

AND NOT WEAK PEOPLE CHOICES OF POISON IN VICTIMLESS CRIME

Why didn't they send in 3 of maple ridges finest big guy cops dressed as bikers? hahhahaha

I love the video's they wont show any more where police were dressed in Apollo moon mission suits or Pillsbury's dough boy suits ,,,Dunlop tire suits ,,,I hope all remember ,,,as they were dismantling grow ops that in reality were just plants and not hazardous waste.

Any notice they stopped putting those in the news?

old_bold&cold · October 18, 2007

How much was spent to do this for 50 dollars worth of cannabis begged by 3 obviously adult girls from a business licensed operator and not a biker with poisoned pot?
http://www.mapleridgenews.com/portals-code...2510&more=0

****Three undercover police women first met Perry, a man in his 30s with dark brown hair and shaggy bangs, on April 19, 2005.

Dressed in blue jeans and an Orange County Chopper T-shirt, he was quick to chat with the girls as they walked through his store, each officer making mental notes and keeping keen details of each isle.

They detailed all the contents of the shelves in a report to their supervisor: drug pipes and "bongs," big and small; "The Volcano," a special marijuana smoking device; videos and books on how to grow marijuana; nutrients to reap a healthy pot crop; and a petition urging marijuana legalization

***

April 19th ???

That's like going around on December 24th to see if you can find anything to do with Christmas,,,,

AND !!

WHERE IS THE COCAINE ????

AFTER ELUDING TO ITS SALE ????????? AND USING THAT FOR AN INVESTIGATION ???

CRAP !

VOTE GREEN JUST TO START THE POLICE EARNING THEIR MONEY THE RIGHT WAY

BY GOING AFTER VIOLENT OFFENDERS

AND NOT WEAK PEOPLE CHOICES OF POISON IN VICTIMLESS CRIME

Why didn't they send in 3 of maple ridges finest big guy cops dressed as bikers? hahhahaha

I love the video's they wont show any more where police were dressed in Apollo moon mission suits or Pillsbury's dough boy suits ,,,Dunlop tire suits ,,,I hope all remember ,,,as they were dismantling grow ops that in reality were just plants and not hazardous waste.

Any notice they stopped putting those in the news?

I followed the links in your posts and It was nothing even near taking your side on this. Perhaps you have been smoking something harder then pot ? The fact that the one link was talked about the 681 people charged driving while on pot, is not as high as those who drive on legal alcohol, but that is the whole point Pot=illegal and alchol=legal. But in this case they are both illegal because they were driving with more then the law allowed. You just seem to always forget that point don't you?

You say "if we make it legal then it will not be illegal", Brilliant, and how many reefers did it take for you to think that one out? There are good reasons that we as a society do not want the use of pot to be legal, The build up of toxins in those who smoke over the long term do cause health risks and also risk to pregnant women. While alcohol also has these same issues, it is legal, only if you do not abuse it. That is the main thing called abuse. If you abuse alcohol you will quickly find that you end up breaking laws e.g. DUI, Drunk in public.

The green party you run for, does not even come close to what your views are on this, and they quickly say that you are rogue to their platform. That should not surprise you. You rant and rave here, how more CPC people will vote green for the greens pot policy, and you really can not think that will fly with any weight.

Here is a link about health and pot

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/126.html

shavluk · October 19, 2007

You really are on something yourself it seems as hate alone cant be the reason you just lie and perpetrate the hate that you do.

I cant be bothered ,,sorry ,

You just keep in your space and keep your poisons away ,,,

You are a lost cause.

I have a choice.

I here by demand you provide links for your stupid comments,,, or lose any credibility even from your own kind.

*****The build up of toxins in those who smoke over the long term do cause health risks and also risk to pregnant women***

You just fabricate poison out of fear !!!!

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You say "if we make it legal then it will not be illegal", Brilliant, and how many reefers did it take for you to think that one out? There are good reasons that we as a society do not want the use of pot to be legal, The build up of toxins in those who smoke over the long term do cause health risks and also risk to pregnant women. While alcohol also has these same issues, it is legal, only if you do not abuse it. That is the main thing called abuse. If you abuse alcohol you will quickly find that you end up breaking laws e.g. DUI, Drunk in public

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I rest my case and we will just assume you above the truth.

Why is it so important to post here ,, if that results in that you would lie?

I have zero to do with liars ,,sorry its just a moral rule I keep ,,you of course understand.

shavluk · October 23, 2007

Great storey

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/ca...f957e4e&p=1

***The myth is demon possession, that drugs can possess you and make you into an addict. It has a very medieval flavour to it," he said. "That idea, that these drugs cause addiction, is an extremely valuable idea for an awful lot of people. I mean, obviously for police, to start with. That's easy, right, because now they have a mission to protect the public [from drugs]. But for psychologists even more so, because we have to have a reason why we can't cure these guys."

It's even a "useful story" for parents of junkies, who are often racked with guilt, fairly or not -- the story that it was the junk that got the child, "not anything that I didn't do."

As a researcher, Prof. Alexander started attracting serious attention in the 1970s, when he, with Barry Beyerstein, Patricia Hadaway and Robert Coambs, did a series of experiments known as "Rat Park," purportedly showing that drugs do not cause addiction. In one experiment, rats that had been fed morphine for two months straight were introduced to a luxurious habitat with wheels and balls, plenty of food, water and warmth, and a social network of other rats. Given a choice between morphine-laced water and tap water, the rats chose tap

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GostHacked · October 23, 2007

Harper also said drug impaired drivers ,,I challenge anyone to show me a cannabis alone driving fatality,,,,,with out alcohol ,,or even legal drugs
what would you expect BC ferries to say after the sinking fiasco ,,,,

nothing to do with cannabis except for the speedy and safe removal of all but 2 passengers when the drinker forgot to turn the ship,,,,,,

to dispell some of the witch hunting ,,,,

BBC TV

have a gander if you dare,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmHL7YznUI...ddriving%2Ehtml

I am a supporter of legalizing pot, but dude, you need to be more coherent. Driving drunk or stoned is a really really really idiotic dumb thing to do. I bet there are pot-only accidents on the road, but there is no formal efficient way ot testing that. It needs a blood test to find that out. If you want to be sure.

I must point out again in this thread that stupid things = stupid results. Like 3 guys here at work smoking pot on their lunch break. All 3 were fired because of it. It is not about legality of the drug in my eye, for if they were drunk or on some other 'controlled' substance, the result is the same. Stupidity gives bad results. I can make my case even better, we drive heavy equipment in the warehouse. Forklifts, pallet haulers, bakers ect. NO ROOM FOR STUPIDITY in this environment. If they had hurt someone and I did not say anything, I would feel bad about it. It is the saftey of others that I had to consider in making this decision.

I am a pot smoker myself. Daily. BUT I do not do it before work, I do not do it during work. But after work? No problem. I sit at home on my doorstep with a couple friends with a huge fatty and a beer or two and shoot the shit.

Common sense must prevail in all these incidences. Some people do not even have the common sense to be sober at work. Not the kind of people I want to associate myself with.

Yes I think it is a worth while cause to make all drugs legal and at the same time there should be some real education on what these drugs can do to your body and health. Some are bad, some are good.

At the end of the day self control and common sense should prevail. If it does not, this banter about legalizing drugs means nothing.

shavluk · October 23, 2007

Thank you ,I agree.

here is a response from a comrade responding to email questions,,,,,,

I don't buy the idea that marijuana is any threat to public safety. I have heard critics say " you wouldn't want your surgeon having a bong hit, or an airline pilot..."

I would feel fine. My surgeon, pilot, ferry captain, taxi driver, can all bong hit before anything they are doing on my behalf. Marijuana does not impair. If a person believes marijuana impairs, I can do nothing to convince them otherwise. But I have never seen it. Millions of people go to work in auto factories, computers, on ferries, schools, universities, their work place, after smoking a joint and they are fine to execute their responsibilities. I have never had a car accident after 27 years of smoking pot and driving my vehicle. Pot people are better at what they do, on average, than straight people, because using marijuana makes routine tasks like driving, assembly line work, household chores, raising kids, listening to teachers far more novel than "routine." We are likely to enjoy work and pleasure more, that's why we smoke and consume marijuana.

The propaganda that states marijuana impairs is from a judgmental, anal-retentive class of critics who don't use marijuana. Why would any marijuana user believe in the sincerity of those people looking to jail us?

Marijuana and tobacco differ radically in their effect on the body.

Nicotine is a vaso-constrictor, tightening and narrowing veins, arteries that circulate blood and oxygen to the tissues. Even when chewing tobacco, nicotine produces lesions and cancerous cells in the area of the chewing tobacco, because oxygen/blood is not getting to the affected tissues. 42,000 Canadians dies from tobacco related disease in 2006.

Cannabis does the opposite physiology. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) is a vaso-dilator, meaning THC immediately expands, makes flexible and greatly improves the volume of blood and oxygen (contained with the blood) to all affected cells. Additionally, when one bong hits, you are introducing 8 - 10 times the volume of oxygen to the lung linings, delivering oxygen to expanding arteries, and sending THC to the lung lining to attack tumours, old cells, free radical cells, and cancerous cells.

The issue is not about safety. All unsafe behaviours are legal: unprotected sex, adultery, divorce, guns, bad foods, alcohol, prescription drugs, tobacco. No one goes to jail for these behaviours unless their is evidential proof that criminal intent (harm to others directly) was involved. No one should go to jail for marijuana based on a perception that it has health risks. Everything, including government approved tap water (that killed 7 in Walkerton, Ontario) is a risk. No criminal law should punish unsafe behaviour to one's self.

I would like to say that no discussion of the health impacts of cannabis can be had in its current climate of prohibition. Normally, if someone tells you that French fries are going to kill you, or tobacco (the #2 killer), or alcohol, or sugar (the new #1 killer in Canada), or fast cars, or fatty foods, etc., people don't use those facts to justify putting you in jail.

With cannabis however, every person who uses the so-called health hazards of cannabis as a club to try to jail us.

All the studies on pot health impacts are requested with the specific intent of using those studies to maintain the prohibition, which causes the problems we see, not the use of marijuana. So when our persecutors are trying to jail us and punish by pointing out the health impact on our individual lives, they are doing so with the most devious and cynical motives. Those people don't give a goddamn about our health, its all about judgment and punishment because the free thinking pot smoker is a threat to the conformist mentality that the modern state requires to operate its immoral machinery of prohibition and punishments.

If marijuana causes some to have a negative health anomaly, stop using. When all these prescription drugs have caveats added to their TV advertisements that say " if you find yourself gambling compulsively or being sexually promiscuous, discontinue use..." then pot really is not threat to the social fabric of health.

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So again the club slammed against us as a way of saving us and jailing us for health reasons is absolutely ridiculous.

I SAY AGAIN SHOW ME THE BODIES !!!

SHOW ME A FATALITY WITH CANNABIS ALONE AS THE CULPRIT !!

YOU CANT . THE GOVERNMENT CERTAINLY KNOWS THAT.

YOU CANT AND EVEN WITH CRIME RATES GOING DOWN THEY ARE USING THE SCARE OF US TO OBTAIN ANOTHER 64 MILLION DOLLARS TO WASTE AND 2500 MORE POLICE WHO REALLY ARE UNNEEDED.

VOTE GREEN FOR MODERN SANE ANSWERS TO TODAYS PROBLEMS !

godzilla · October 23, 2007

the gentle fact is that it will take federal control (the US is a good example) to further criminalize marijuana... because in local environments its practically legal.

here in beautiful 'bud' bc, possession of small amounts of marijuana will see it confiscated without charge. there simply is too much use of it by otherwise completely law abiding people. and people who are high pose no threat to society whatsoever.

the other side of it is that this is one of bc's biggest cash crops and a staple of our economy! money talks!

it is quite alarming to see stockwell day on tv talking about how strong marijuana is these days... there would appear to be no listening to experts on this matter. marijuana does not affect dopamine centers of the brain like the opiates (heroine, crack, cocaine, crystal meth etc) and nicotine. according to the dean of medicine at harvard it is about as addictive as coffee.

so my question is for those people who oppose it... what the heck is the problem? is it simply a fear of something one doesn't understand?

Edited October 23, 2007 by godzilla

M.Dancer · October 23, 2007

SHOW ME A FATALITY WITH CANNABIS ALONE AS THE CULPRIT !!
VOTE GREEN FOR MODERN SANE ANSWERS TO TODAYS PROBLEMS !

You have already but I assume that the chronic use has impaired your short term memory.

Hamish Turner, the president of the Coroners' Society, said that the drug, which is often portrayed as harmless, has increasingly been behind deaths that have been recorded as accidents or suicides.
In the past year, he estimated that cannabis was a significant contributory factor in about 10 per cent of the 100 cases that he had dealt with in south Devon, where he works.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../02/ixhome.html

Main outcome measures The cases were the 6766 drivers considered at fault in their crash; the controls were 3006 drivers selected from the 3982 other drivers. Positive detection of cannabis was defined as a blood concentration of Î”9tetrahydrocannabinol of over 1 ng/ml. The prevalence of positive drivers in the driving population was estimated by standardising controls on drivers not at fault who were involved in crashes resulting in slight injuries.
Results 681 drivers were positive for cannabis (cases 8.8%, controls 2.8%), including 285 with an illegal blood alcohol concentration (â‰¥ 0.5 g/l). Positive cannabis detection was associated with increased risk of responsibility (odds ratio 3.32, 95% confidence interval 2.63 to 4.18). A significant dose effect was identified; the odds ratio increased from 2.18 (1.22 to 3.89) if 0 < Î”9tetrahydrocannabinol < 1 ng/ml to 4.72 (3.04 to 7.33) if Î”9tetrahydrocannabinol â‰¥ 5 ng/ml. The effect of cannabis remains significant after adjustment for different cofactors, including alcohol, with which no statistical interaction was observed. The prevalence of cannabis (2.9%) estimated for the driving population is similar to that for alcohol (2.7%). At least 2.5% (1.5% to 3.5%) of fatal crashes were estimated as being attributable to cannabis, compared with 28.6% for alcohol (26.8% to 30.5%).

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=1309644

old_bold&cold · October 23, 2007

Here are some health links

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/126.html

http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

shavluk · October 23, 2007

I guess its just the 40% WHO WILL NEVER GET IT ,,,,,hmmm same number who are against abortion and women's rights and who would close the borders.

Oh well have fun fellas I will just continue to educate and the ones who will learn because they have healthy esteem and because of that ,will.

See you at the polls,hahha

Yes jail me because I could harm my self by taking a puff ,,,,WOW ! hahhahha

THC stays in the fat cells for months and you cant show me real data where cannabis killed anyone.

Remember the sudden stop of the accident is ultimately responsible ,hahha

I don't mind the slams and discrimination because of my choices and love when I meet up with some from the web after speeches for political contests who tell me they were educated and now are on side. Thank you to you people that have.

godzilla · October 23, 2007

Here are some health links
http://www.doitnow.org/pages/126.html

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/126.html

http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

well, thanks for these facts! not much worse then coffee then... and much less worse then alchohol. i'll stop drinking!

M.Dancer · October 23, 2007

THC stays in the fat cells for months and you cant show me real data where cannabis killed anyone.

Is this is your brain on drugs? Was the data too complicated? Not enough pictures, need a collage?

I have this feeling, if the Greens start nipping at the heels of the NDP or the Liberals, someone from one of thse parties will trot out Shavluk as an example of the quality of the green party.....

>>.hang in their buddy.......at least till the next Fed election

godzilla · October 23, 2007

Is this is your brain on drugs? Was the data too complicated? Not enough pictures, need a collage?
I have this feeling, if the Greens start nipping at the heels of the NDP or the Liberals, someone from one of thse parties will trot out Shavluk as an example of the quality of the green party.....

>>.hang in their buddy.......at least till the next Fed election

dancer... you just continue to be a good boy and believe what you are told is a 'good' drug and what is a bad 'drug' by pharmaceutical companies, tobacco companies and alcohol companies. keep towing the line, man!

the fact that most of us know plenty of regular marijuana users who are far more successful than most people will ever be is... well, besides the point!

M.Dancer · October 23, 2007

the fact that most of us know plenty of regular marijuana users who are far more successful than most people will ever be is... well, besides the point!

And the fact that most of have known plenty of regular marijuana users who are deadbeats and losers is also besides the point. It isn't about anecdotes

But keep ignoring scientific studies that clearly show that weed has been a factor is car deaths and we will keep selling you tin foil

Higgly · October 23, 2007

And the fact that most of have known plenty of regular marijuana users who are deadbeats and losers is also besides the point. It isn't about anecdotes
But keep ignoring scientific studies that clearly show that weed has been a factor is car deaths and we will keep selling you tin foil

Oh wow. The tinfoil hat argument. Yikes.

So M.Dancer... How many of those studies show that alcohol was also a factor? As for those deabeats and losers, how many deadbeats and losers are alcoholics? How many beggars do you think are physically addicted to alcohol?

Edited October 23, 2007 by Higgly

M.Dancer · October 23, 2007

Oh wow. The tinfoil hat argument. Yikes.
So M.Dancer... How many of those studies show that alcohol was also a factor?

Read the french study, it shows how many were weed only and how many were weed and booze.

As for those deabeats and losers, how many deadbeats and losers are alcoholics? How many beggars do you think are physically addicted to alcohol?

I'm not particulary intrested in anecdotal crap

godzilla · October 23, 2007

not sure why the 'car deaths' even comes into the discussion...

NO ONE SHOULD BE OPERATING A VEHICLE IMPAIRED WHETHER IT BE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.

there, now the question is... why cannot a relatively benign recreational drug be introduced legally into our society? because there is a limit to the number that our society can tolerate? or because... that would eat in to the profits of the current legal recreational drugs? thats the only answer i can come up with...

a trip to the netherlands is a real eye opener. people smoking weed responsibly as acceptably as having a pint of beer (just like vancouver). freedom of choice!

Higgly · October 23, 2007

Tonight (Oct 23 @ 10:00 PM EST) the CBC is airing a documentary on the Marc Emery case (Price of Pot vs the United States).

shavluk · October 23, 2007

Tonight (Oct 23 @ 10:00 PM EST) the CBC is airing a documentary on the Marc Emery case (Price of Pot vs the United States).

emery certainly doesnt speak for me or mine.

Or most cannabis activists.

He is an idiot.

He has hurt the cause as much as helped it and I want it out there right here and right now that he has nothing to do with me or me him!

Heres the latest example of why,,,

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/lifeMain/home

luvacuppajoe · October 23, 2007

Purely anecdotal, but as a former long-time pot smoker, I can attest that it very much impaired my judgement, particularly with perceptions of time and space, short term memory and logical functions.

Of course I never believed that, at the time.

shavluk · October 23, 2007

Purely anecdotal, but as a former long-time pot smoker, I can attest that it very much impaired my judgement, particularly with perceptions of time and space, short term memory and logical functions.
Of course I never believed that, at the time.

Wow can we study you?? ,,,because you would be the first that didnt have the symptoms before they ever smoked.

Ever drink by chance?

WHERE ARE THE BODIES ????

FROM 40 years of cannabis use?

23 for me

My blood pressure is that of a 25 year old , same as my cholesterol.

Higgly · October 23, 2007

emery certainly doesnt speak for me or mine.
Or most cannabis activists.

He is an idiot.

He has hurt the cause as much as helped it and I want it out there right here and right now that he has nothing to do with me or me him!

Heres the latest example of why,,,

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/lifeMain/home

The bigger issue with Emery is that the USDEA is trying to enforce US law on Canadian territory and using the RCMP to do it.

As for whether Emery has helped or hindered the cause of marijuana legalisation, I'd say the jury is still out.

old_bold&cold · October 23, 2007

Actually shavluk, you are one of the best arguements against smoking pot and doing drugs. You and you own logic predispose any one reading here that you are completely out of your mind. Your posts are incomprehensible to many and you do not seem to know anything other then drugged out metaphors for answers. As for your question has pot ever killed anybody and the real answer is not in its self but is a contributing factor. The same can be said of many things in life. Alcohol is not illegal only because the majority of people do not abuse it and when not abused it is mostly harmless. Pot though can not be used to the same ends, it is an all or nothing type thing, you are high or not high. That is why it can be and does contribute to deaths on the road every day. All things in moderation, is what the old saying goes, and with pot and other drugs it more often then not is abused until the user gets high. But I keep forgetting that you do not care for sensible talk and do not care for anyone who does not agree with you. It is a good thing that we out number you in every way, and that is why pot will always be illegal.

ScottSA · October 23, 2007

Actually shavluk, you are one of the best arguements against smoking pot and doing drugs. You and you own logic predispose any one reading here that you are completely out of your mind. Your posts are incomprehensible to many and you do not seem to know anything other then drugged out metaphors for answers.

You can say that again. In fact, you may have to if you plan to get the point across to him.