I'm multicultural...

[mikedavid00]

You know it's funny.

The CBC on a daily basis loves to talk about the 'changing face of Canada'. But what they are really doing is seperating ethnicities and creating buriers between them. This week on CBC radio they are goign to be talking about 'mixed race' Candians. Mixed Race.

Yes.. they used the work 'race'. Instead of promoting people putting aside their heritage and race, they want to seperate it from one another.

So you see, me. I'm multicultural. I'm the real thing. I'm SOO multicultural that I don't even think about. I don't even notice.

We had this dinner party yesterday and about a dozen people showed up. Here's the different races and religions that were there:

6 Christians - Canadian caucasians (1 guy from Calgary, 1 girl from Ottawa, 1 from Montreal)

2 Christians - Goan Indian (husban was indian born with accent)

1 Christian - PALISTINIAN (no seriosuly she's palistian christian).

2 Hindu (1 doesn't eat meat.. also from Ottawa, another from Montreal)

2 Mulsim girls (both drink)

So you see we had a wide seelction of poeple with different colours and different backgrounds. Some born here in Canada, some not. Most from Toronto, but almost half from elsewhere.

But you know what we all have in common? We're working people. We are all integrated. We don't sit and harp on cultural issues and ethnicities. Not one person brought up their countries. Not one person brought up cultural issues. Everyone was color blind as saw each other as normal people. That's the difference. We don't go out of our way to bring up differences and harp on them. The muslim girls could feel comfortable dinking without people passing judgement on them becuase they were in the right crowd.

Not one person asked what someones background or culture or religion was. People just didn't care.

Why? Becuase we're multicultural. We're the real thing. We're colour blind and don't harp on old world idealisms.

And when you hear the CBC, John Tory, and the Libs harp and harp on our 'differences' and trying to segregate us.. it's just too bad. That is segregation. Racial segregation that they are promoting. They promote racism.

We are multicultural. The real thing. If you want to see real multicultural success stories, then come to a party of mine and you can see it first hand.

(But this takes knowing the right people. I will say that most ethnic people I know are not multicultural, they are only about their own culture and choose not associate with anything outside of that. )

[Posit]

We're colour blind and don't harp on old world idealisms.

Well this must be a lie, since you just finished making a point about the people's race and ethnicity that is different than your own. Only when their differences disappear can you truly consider your free from prejudice.

[Pliny]

Well this must be a lie, since you just finished making a point about the people's race and ethnicity that is different than your own. Only when their differences disappear can you truly consider your free from prejudice.

Only when you can say, "White men? What white men?" Can you truly consider yourself free from prejudice.

Edited September 10, 2007 by Pliny

[Pliny]

Good post, mikedavid00

[jennie]

Good post, mikedavid00

I liked it too ... mostly ...

I liked that you and your friends don't dwell on it or even notice it because you share a common Canadian culture.

I don't like the idea that we should be "promoting people putting aside their heritage and race" totally, though.

I think that is a matter of free choice and I think we all benefit from keeping many cultures alive too.

[geoffrey]

I think we all benefit from keeping many cultures alive too.

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

I don't get free Guiness and cheese for my Irish and French hertiage so I don't see why Indians should get cash or other minorities funding for their culture. If they care so much, they'll pay for it themself.

[kimmy]

But you know what we all have in common? We're working people. We are all integrated. We don't sit and harp on cultural issues and ethnicities. Not one person brought up their countries. Not one person brought up cultural issues. Everyone was color blind as saw each other as normal people. That's the difference. We don't go out of our way to bring up differences and harp on them. The muslim girls could feel comfortable dinking without people passing judgement on them becuase they were in the right crowd.

Not one person asked what someones background or culture or religion was. People just didn't care.

This is probably the first worthwhile thing MikeDavid00 has ever posted here.

It sums up why many of us believe in a "melting pot" concept rather than a "mosaic" concept.

-k

[betsy]

You know it's funny.

The CBC on a daily basis loves to talk about the 'changing face of Canada'. But what they are really doing is seperating ethnicities and creating buriers between them. This week on CBC radio they are goign to be talking about 'mixed race' Candians. Mixed Race.

Yes.. they used the work 'race'. Instead of promoting people putting aside their heritage and race, they want to seperate it from one another.

So you see, me. I'm multicultural. I'm the real thing. I'm SOO multicultural that I don't even think about. I don't even notice.

We had this dinner party yesterday and about a dozen people showed up. Here's the different races and religions that were there:

6 Christians - Canadian caucasians (1 guy from Calgary, 1 girl from Ottawa, 1 from Montreal)

2 Christians - Goan Indian (husban was indian born with accent)

1 Christian - PALISTINIAN (no seriosuly she's palistian christian).

2 Hindu (1 doesn't eat meat.. also from Ottawa, another from Montreal)

2 Mulsim girls (both drink)

So you see we had a wide seelction of poeple with different colours and different backgrounds. Some born here in Canada, some not. Most from Toronto, but almost half from elsewhere.

But you know what we all have in common? We're working people. We are all integrated. We don't sit and harp on cultural issues and ethnicities. Not one person brought up their countries. Not one person brought up cultural issues. Everyone was color blind as saw each other as normal people. That's the difference. We don't go out of our way to bring up differences and harp on them. The muslim girls could feel comfortable dinking without people passing judgement on them becuase they were in the right crowd.

Not one person asked what someones background or culture or religion was. People just didn't care.

Why? Becuase we're multicultural. We're the real thing. We're colour blind and don't harp on old world idealisms.

And when you hear the CBC, John Tory, and the Libs harp and harp on our 'differences' and trying to segregate us.. it's just too bad. That is segregation. Racial segregation that they are promoting. They promote racism.

We are multicultural. The real thing. If you want to see real multicultural success stories, then come to a party of mine and you can see it first hand.

(But this takes knowing the right people. I will say that most ethnic people I know are not multicultural, they are only about their own culture and choose not associate with anything outside of that. )

I understand what you mean. I agree.

But I must comment on the self-righteous attitude that emanate from a couple of posters here that borders on the obnoxious.

Like as if they truly have the expertise and authority on the matter....that their stamp of approval is needed thereby so Mike passes the un-prejudice test with flying colors!

The pretentious shallowness is quite nauseating!

Edited September 10, 2007 by betsy

[Posit]

Most of you don't know your own prejudices and those that do and reply in racist tones are bigots.

Mikedavid pats himself on the back for believing he is colour-blind, having just pointed out the different races and religions of his ~friends~. That would be called a hyocrite. However, he can be forgiven because he doesn't understand where the root of prejudice lies.

[mikedavid00]

Most of you don't know your own prejudices and those that do and reply in racist tones are bigots.

Mikedavid pats himself on the back for believing he is colour-blind, having just pointed out the different races and religions of his ~friends~. That would be called a hyocrite. However, he can be forgiven because he doesn't understand where the root of prejudice lies.

Thanks for all the friendly replies

But that's just the thing. I only reallized this shortly before the post becuase I don't exclusively associate myself with one religion, skin color, culture, or place of origin. We had people from Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, and out of country. All religions. Diff skin colours. But we all got along as Canadians becuase we are not racist and segregated people.

Oh here we go, on CBC radio they will be discussing 'mixed race' Canadians. It's so pathetic it's on right now. Wow the CBC doesn't do us any favors. Neither does John Tory.

Edite: Url for series: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/mixedblessings/

Edited September 10, 2007 by mikedavid00

[mikedavid00]

As long as I don't have to pay for it.

I don't get free Guiness and cheese for my Irish and French hertiage so I don't see why Indians should get cash or other minorities funding for their culture. If they care so much, they'll pay for it themself.

I agree completely.

Culture is something that people can practice in private at home or on their own time. Kind of like religion. It's not meant to be like a flag that's waived around all over the place.

We spend 5 billion a year on colture. I wonder how many hospitals we could build with that.

[Leafless]

We had people from Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, and out of country. All religions. Diff skin colours. But we all got along as Canadians becuase we are not racist and segregated people.

What you had was a friendly dinner party consisting of younger people and fails to represent real life biases relating to the many problems associated with different religions, cultures and lifestyle.

BTW-Racism is a product of incompatible races and believes, culture, religion and lifestyles.

[jennie]

What you had was a friendly dinner party consisting of younger people and fails to represent real life biases relating to the many problems associated with different religions, cultures and lifestyle.

BTW-Racism is a product of incompatible races and believes, culture, religion and lifestyles.

What they had is a normal event among young people who have grown up, gone to schools together and developed a common culture. People are very adaptable, though. They can have two cultures as easily as one, and a country that can celebrate all of the cultures of its people is a healthy country.

A country that demands that people set aside their heritage is certainly culturally impoverished, anti-democratic, paranoid and neurotic, and arguably racist.

[mikedavid00]

What you had was a friendly dinner party consisting of younger people and fails to represent real life biases relating to the many problems associated with different religions, cultures and lifestyle.

BTW-Racism is a product of incompatible races and believes, culture, religion and lifestyles.

Well we're not that young. But most are born here or came here as little kids.

I did say that this was an exception and not the rule. The rule is for Asians to associate only with asians. Indians to associate only with Indians, etc. etc.

My friends are the exceptions and are multicultral. Or are we really? Maybe we're just all the same so that's what makes it works.

I don't see how segregating schools is going to fix any problems.

[mikedavid00]

A country that demands that people set aside their heritage is certainly culturally impoverished, anti-democratic, paranoid and neurotic, and arguably racist.

But a country or media shouldn't set the tone for culture as we do in Canada (the Charter and CBC).

Only people should be able to do that. Us the citizens should determine our culture. Not a few dictators. Others cultures are pushed down our throats. Segregation is now being pushed down our throats.

The palistinian christian girl (with an anglasized name i might add) is single. 30 years old and single. And so I knew of a guy who has a job and owns a condo. But He turned her down even before meeting her. Do you know what his reasing was?

"My mother doesn't speak English well so I want my future wife to be able to speak Russion so she can talk to my mother"!!!

LOL!! What a LOSER! That is the typical ethnic person response. And this guy looks as white as anyone else. But he denies he's Canadian. So he sits single trying to cling to something that he's not.

This is racism. It's true racism. The real thing. The wife has to be russian despite him being white as bread and canuck as heck. This is what is going on with the young generation these days.

Your culture should be like your relgion. Keep it private and within yourself. I'm sure many here have Irish Celtic CD's or Scottish stuff.

But people here don't grab the CD's, waive them in the air, and tell everyone to look at them. They don't demand that the gov't fund them listening to those CD's. And furthermore, they don't claim that those CD's are what make them Canadian and those CD's is who they are.

These people on this forum are Canadians. I never knew Geoffe was Irish and French until the topic came up. The reason why is because he doesn't try to grasp to something that isn't there or cling to something that basically accomplishes nothing.

What makes you the person you are is your morals and how you treat other people.

When you shut people out of your life because they don't meet a certain ethnic criteria, you are racist. It's that simple.

I invited an old Sikh friend of mine to this party and she was the only one who didn't show becuase her and her arranged marriage loser hustband are completely, completely segregated in their own Sikh circle of friends and don't step out of it, despite most being born here, their schools were completely ghettoised and were only allowed to hang around other Sikh's growing up.

Now I lost a best friend from Ottawa to Toronto Sikh segregation. And you want to support ethnic schooling that teaches 'culture and language' with our tax dollars? Wow what a segregated mess this country will become.

That is racism. It's that simple. Leafless is not a racist.

He's just right.

[betsy]

Mikedavid pats himself on the back for believing he is colour-blind, having just pointed out the different races and religions of his ~friends~. That would be called a hyocrite. However, he can be forgiven because he doesn't understand where the root of prejudice lies.

Eh?

How is he a hypocrite just for pointing out the different races and religions of his friends?

So he noticed his friends are of different race/religon...what is wrong with that?

Are races and religions something to be ashamed of?

Do you think visible minorities feel so inferior about themselves that they would like to pretend or forget that they have a different color of skin...or that they came from other cultures or practice other religions?

By "colour-blind" you mean just ignore our color....because you think by acknowledging our race, it would be shameful for us?

Edited September 11, 2007 by betsy

[bk59]

So you see, me. I'm multicultural. I'm the real thing. I'm SOO multicultural that I don't even think about. I don't even notice.

...

So you see we had a wide seelction of poeple with different colours and different backgrounds. Some born here in Canada, some not. Most from Toronto, but almost half from elsewhere.

But you know what we all have in common? We're working people. We are all integrated. We don't sit and harp on cultural issues and ethnicities. Not one person brought up their countries. Not one person brought up cultural issues. Everyone was color blind as saw each other as normal people. That's the difference. We don't go out of our way to bring up differences and harp on them. The muslim girls could feel comfortable dinking without people passing judgement on them becuase they were in the right crowd.

Not one person asked what someones background or culture or religion was. People just didn't care.

Why? Becuase we're multicultural. We're the real thing. We're colour blind and don't harp on old world idealisms.

mikedavid00 first let me say that this is a much better post than I would have expected from you given some of the other posts you have made on here. Also, I haven't looked at the CBC links.

But I'd hesitate to call this dinner of yours really multicultural. It seems like, despite the various backgrounds, you essentially share the same culture. One where no one apparently talks about (ethnic?) culture or religion. It is perhaps a nice example of the melting pot version of multiculturalism, but quite frankly I find that a bit too boring.

It is possible to reach a balance between a melting pot and a mosaic. It is possible to share Canadian values and also share different cultures. I know groups of people, from different backgrounds and religions, who are comfortable talking with each other about their different beliefs and the practices that go with them (e.g. conversations between Christians and Muslims explaining Ramadan). Sometimes it's interesting to hear from friends who describe what it was like growing up in (for example) Korea versus Canada.

A mosaic doesn't necessarily mean segregation. It doesn't necessarily mean holding onto "old world idealisms" or being prejudiced against other cultures. I think it is possible to be colour blind when it counts and yet still recognize that there are different cultures, ethnicities, religions, etc. in the world. Think "melted mosaic" rather than melting pot or mosaic. Something where you can still see all of the different tiles, but rather than sharp divisions every tile shares a blurred division - common ground - with every other tile.

And please don't get me wrong. I don't support splitting the public school system up into a billion different pieces so that everyone can get their own school & never see anyone else. You can't get the necessary common ground that way. But that doesn't mean we all need to turn into bland clones of one another or ignore the fact that people really are in fact different from one another (even within the same cultural background). Noticing the different cultures we have here in Canada is one of the things that makes Canada a great place to live.

[jefferiah]

Well this must be a lie, since you just finished making a point about the people's race and ethnicity that is different than your own. Only when their differences disappear can you truly consider your free from prejudice.

Hmmmm....then you would have no problem with Mike David being issued a band card then, if he applied?

[betsy]

Most of you don't know your own prejudices and those that do and reply in racist tones are bigots.

Perhaps it's time you face the mirror and honestly do a self-analysis.

Mikedavid pats himself on the back for believing he is colour-blind, having just pointed out the different races and religions of his ~friends~. That would be called a hyocrite.

Imo, MikeDavid is the last person I'd call a hypocrite! He is one of the most brutally-frank poster on this board regarding immigration. To the point that he's labelled as racist for so many of his contentious, controversial and gut-hitting posts.

As I've asked in the previous post, how is pointing out the races or religions of friends considered "hypocritical?"

There are differences among races, religion and cultures...and that's obvious. How could we begin to accept one another if we do not acknowledge and understand about the differences that we have?

However, he can be forgiven because he doesn't understand where the root of prejudice lies.

That is for MikeDavid to answer.

But what I'm questioning about is your own prejudices. Towards the "white" folks.

Do you truly understand where the root of yours lie?

Edited September 11, 2007 by betsy

[Pliny]

Perhaps it's time you face the mirror and honestly do a self-analysis.

Imo, MikeDavid is the last person I'd call a hypocrite! He is one of the most brutally-frank poster on this board regarding immigration. To the point that he's labelled as racist for so many of his contentious, controversial and gut-hitting posts.

As I've asked in the previous post, how is pointing out the races or religions of friends considered "hypocritical?"

There are differences among races, religion and cultures...and that's obvious. How could we begin to accept one another if we do not acknowledge and understand about the differences that we have?

That is for MikeDavid to answer.

But what I'm questioning about is your own prejudices. Towards the "white" folks.

Do you truly understand where the root of yours lie?

I think Posit is failing to answer you because you have misinterpreted what he said. He didn't call Mikedavid a "hypocrite".

He called him a "hyocite" which is similar to a "trilobite", only without the "tri" and the "b".

Just making it up as I go along.

[mikedavid00]

A mosaic doesn't necessarily mean segregation. It doesn't necessarily mean holding onto "old world idealisms" or being prejudiced against other cultures.

Yes it does.

That's what the masses fail to understand.

Talking about how things work in other countries and splitting ourselves into different races does NOTHING for us. It does nothing for our party, it doesn't help us, and to be more frank, non of us want to bore each other with the same ol' 'I'm x culture, we eat hot food'. 'Oh yeah, well we do x', 'Oh my x parents do x'.

It's silly, retarded, and i've been in much more of the converstatoins than I care to admit. It's litterally *ALL* they talk about and that's why I no longer associate with those people.

Here's feedback from the CBC radio program about mixed races:

"Lastly, I have an olive complexion, so many people assume I am caucasion. It's very disheartening when you then hear aquaintances make racist remarks because they assume your background is similiar to theirs and that you share their ignorant beliefs. " --she's dissapointed that she's a cuacasion.

"Canadian multiculturalism is fragmented, hypocritical and a failed social experiment." - now I agree with that

[mikedavid00]

Noticing the different cultures we have here in Canada is one of the things that makes Canada a great place to live.

Oh and i disagree with this.

I've grown up here my whole life and find no benefit to having other cultures around me except for more authentic resturaunts. Big deal.

I don't care to divide eveyrone up and talk about practices from other countries.

When I go on my honeymoon to Brazil or Argentina, THEN I'll see real culture and find the beauty in it. I'm not going to play in some make belief game and fool myself into thinking that going to a restraunt or meeting fools in a club or work means that i'm somehow culturally enlightened by idiots who say 'Yo guy, does you mom make those rotis? Yeah man! she sure does. Yo man, those roti's are hot!' Yeah man.. we're all cool!!'

Sad pathetic souls.

Real culture is going to a country where everyone is the same. Like wathing people tango dance in Argentina. Link

Now when 1 country tries to make it's culture off everyone PRETENDING they are in another country and live another culture, then you end up with a bunch of losers trying to pretend they are something that their not. And my tax dollars funding this makes it worse.

You see, it's NOT POSSIBLE to have a real culture when everyone is told to be so different. You end up with a segretated mess of wanna-be's in denial that they are 'Canadian' which does us NO favors.

Let's be honest, you can NOT experience the Argentina culture UNLESS YOU ARE IN ARGENTINA. Having a bunch of segregated Argentinians in Toronto creates racism and is NOT the Argentinian culture. It's a false profet. It's a joke.

And to OFFICIALLY enhance all this with ethnic schooling?? Wow Tory must be out of his mind.

Edited September 11, 2007 by mikedavid00

[jennie]

"Lastly, I have an olive complexion, so many people assume I am caucasion. It's very disheartening when you then hear aquaintances make racist remarks because they assume your background is similiar to theirs and that you share their ignorant beliefs. " --she's dissapointed that she's a cuacasion.

No, mikedavid, she's disappointed because people assume she is caucasian, and think it's 'OK' to make racist remarks around her. She is not caucasian, and she is offended by their racist remarks.

[White Doors]

I think Posit is failing to answer you because you have misinterpreted what he said. He didn't call Mikedavid a "hypocrite".

He called him a "hyocite" which is similar to a "trilobite", only without the "tri" and the "b".

Just making it up as I go along.

hahahaha

[mikedavid00]

No, mikedavid, she's disappointed because people assume she is caucasian,

I know. It's such a shame eh?

It wasn't just her, it as so many others and especially the guest on today show. This half Japanaese girl who almost has no ties to Japan at all sits and tries to cook sushi to prove to herself that she's Japanese.

She's so dissapointed that she doens't fully belong to a minority.

She's so dissapointed.

She thinks being an ethnicity is what accredits her as a person in life.

Just so sad. Honestly I feel sorry for her.