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uh, the press in Canada is loaded with minor inaccuracies. Seems our draconian slander laws don't have the impact on free speach in this country you think it does.
Maybe not the slander laws but the HRC's sure do. Just ask Marc Steyn and Macleans. Edited by jbg
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I started this thread back in August, but aside from the seasonal references, it's even more relevant and timely now. What brings this back to my attention, of course, is the Levant and Steyn HRC abominations.

One of the reasons for my interest in Canadian politics is my strong belief that a North America filled wtih free countries is essential not only to US interests but for the good of man. It shows that democracy can and should work. Hopefully, Canada will use the opportunity for national debate such as the US had in 1787 as an opportunity to clearly define Canada as a member of the club of free, rather than restrictive nations.

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She does indeed. Just so long as it kisses Bush's ass and isn't critical of him.

I fail to see what is not to understand about what American Woman is saying. If you check out the link you'll see her comments are accurate. Hell, they jailed two people because they didn't like their t-shirts. Pretty damn draconian if you ask me.

My posts were quite clear and not difficult to understand in the least. Thank you for pointing that out; I appreciate it.

I can't believe that in this country of mine, people cannot express discontent towards the president along with those expressing support. In other words, where they will be seen and heard. I'm sure our forefathers would roll over in their graves, along with all of those who fought and died for our freedoms, if they could see such a sight today.

Your argument is specious. You are whining about restrictions in venue which has nothing to do with your freedom of speech. You are perfectly free to announce your dissent and to disparage the President if you so wish. That does not entitle you to 10 minutes at the podium where the President speaks or to carry a sign and shout slogans wherever and whenever you wish.

Thousands of people express their negative views of the President and his administration every day, in newspapers, on television, on the Internet, on Facebook and yes, even in demonstrations. However, maintaining that because you cannot speak or carry a sign at the location and time of your choice is a restriction on your freedom of speech is ludicrous. Your desires do not trump the ordinary rules of a civil and civilized American society.

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Your argument is specious. You are whining about ....

I'm not "whining" about anything, hence I read no further in your post. If you wish to discuss my comments with me intelligently and honestly, repost and I'll respond.

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I'm not "whining" about anything, hence I read no further in your post. If you wish to discuss my comments with me intelligently and honestly, repost and I'll respond.

Hi American Woman, probably you could care less , but if you do a google search on West viking you will find out who his buddies are, pretty scarry lot.

And they do believe in stopping freedom of speech.

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Hi American Woman, probably you could care less , but if you do a google search on West viking you will find out who his buddies are, pretty scarry lot.

And they do believe in stopping freedom of speech.

Do you include me in that group of "buddies"? I have a lot of respect for the man. We have talked by phone, met in Montreal and otherwise corresponded. You couldn't be more wrong.

Why not find someone else to slur? WV is about as pro-free-speech as you can get.

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Hi American Woman, probably you could care less , but if you do a google search on West viking you will find out who his buddies are, pretty scarry lot.

And they do believe in stopping freedom of speech.

Hi Margrace. Your response made me curious as to what WestViking had to say, so I went back and read his whole post. Seems he has very different definitions of "freedom of speech" and what constitutes "civil and civilized American society." Furthermore, it appears he hasn't even read what I had to say since I've already responded more than once to the 'points' he brings up in his post. Last but not least, I have to say I was suprised to find out that he's not an American. I totally appreicate hearing others' views, but when someone who's not even from my country tries to tell me what my "rights" are as an American, or what constitutes "civility" in my country, I have to say I find it (in his words) ludicrous.

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I totally appreicate hearing others' views, but when someone who's not even from my country tries to tell me what my "rights" are as an American, or what constitutes "civility" in my country, I have to say I find it (in his words) ludicrous.
What, in substance, is he wrong about?
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What, in substance, is he wrong about?

You talk about how the U.S. has oh-so-much greater freedom of speech than Canada does, then you support someone who says it's 'going against the rules of a civilized society' to carry a protest sign within sight of our POTUS. Unbelievable! One could even say scary. <_<

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Hi American Woman, probably you could care less , but if you do a google search on West viking you will find out who his buddies are, pretty scarry lot.

And they do believe in stopping freedom of speech.

I take exception to these uncalled for comments. I respect W.V. and his well thought out posts, even on other forums. W.V. and his 'buddies' do not believe in stopping freedom of speech, in fact, they are fighting in the courts for just that. But if you have something to back up that statement I'd like to see it, until then, your drive by smears will carry no weight whatsoever.

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I'm not "whining" about anything, hence I read no further in your post. If you wish to discuss my comments with me intelligently and honestly, repost and I'll respond.

You have responded more articulately than you know. You demand that you be given the right to set the rules of engagement whether you have any authority or right to do so. Your right to the freedom of speech is not stifled by anything other than your colossal ego.

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I take exception to these uncalled for comments. I respect W.V. and his well thought out posts, even on other forums. W.V. and his 'buddies' do not believe in stopping freedom of speech, in fact, they are fighting in the courts for just that. But if you have something to back up that statement I'd like to see it, until then, your drive by smears will carry no weight whatsoever.

Whatever rules are rules and we must not discuss other forums on here. However when people from those forums come on then they are free meat aye. Its easy to make statements and hide behind the rules.

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I take exception to these uncalled for comments. I respect W.V. and his well thought out posts, even on other forums. W.V. and his 'buddies' do not believe in stopping freedom of speech, in fact, they are fighting in the courts for just that. But if you have something to back up that statement I'd like to see it, until then, your drive by smears will carry no weight whatsoever.

Thank you scriblett. but it is not unexpected. Consider the source.

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QUOTE=American Woman @ Feb 3 2008, 06:29 AM:

I'm not "whining" about anything, hence I read no further in your post. If you wish to discuss my comments with me intelligently and honestly, repost and I'll respond.

You have responded more articulately than you know. You demand that you be given the right to set the rules of engagement whether you have any authority or right to do so. Your right to the freedom of speech is not stifled by anything other than your colossal ego.

:lol:

Still waiting for the intelligent and honest response, but thanks for the laugh in the meantime. :D

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Whatever rules are rules and we must not discuss other forums on here. However when people from those forums come on then they are free meat aye. Its easy to make statements and hide behind the rules.

It's also very easier to throw around drive by smears with absolutely no evidence at all. Maybe you could enlighten us on how "they do believe in stopping freedom of speech." My reading tells me that 'they' are fighting very much FOR freedom of speech, so your statement is indeed a puzzlement.

W.V. True, so far no evidence has been presented to backup the statement as usual.

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Riiiight. Saying someone has a colossal ego because they expect the same freedom of speech to express disapproval of the POTUS as those expressing approval, and think it's uncivilized to carry a protest sign in sight of the POTUS, is definitely someone fighting for free speech. :lol:

The "evidence" you say is lacking is right here in this thread. :rolleyes:

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It's also very easier to throw around drive by smears with absolutely no evidence at all. Maybe you could enlighten us on how "they do believe in stopping freedom of speech." My reading tells me that 'they' are fighting very much FOR freedom of speech, so your statement is indeed a puzzlement.

W.V. True, so far no evidence has been presented to backup the statement as usual.

Oh no you don't I got kicked off here for a month once already for breaking the rules

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Oh no you don't I got kicked off here for a month once already for breaking the rules

I didn't know that, but you don't have to break any rules, only elaborate on why you think 'they' (I assume conservatives) want to stifle free speech, so far any evidence I've seen is the other way around.

It is a liberal (now) Keith Martin who wants to do away with the clause re: freedom of speech but Dion has told him to pull it. So who's stifling free speech, certainly not conservatives.

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American Woman is right. You cannot give preference to people who support a government position over those who oppose it. Doing so is information management, putting a spin on things, and goes against the fundamental principles of free speech.

Incidentally, free speech is not something invented by the U.S. Bill of Rights. And I think American Woman's concern is that it isn't doing much to protect it. SUre you can file suit against the U.S. government. Good luck winning that case :lol:

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SUre you can file suit against the U.S. government. Good luck winning that case :lol:
Sure you can and often do. Most lawsuits in which bills are held to be unconstitutional start as injunction suits against the government, for example.
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What I find interesting that criticizing the US is almost a sport in some countries. Usually those countries that need the most help from the US.

Once I've seen on news clip Indonesian guy in Osama bin Laden T-shirt standing in line for US help after that Tsunami (where the US military was the first). Looked rather grotesque.

Some Europeans also like to criticize the US and then they need help even with small stuff like helping Albanian insurgents to fight Serbs.

Canadians shouldn't criticize at all, since the USA is our real national defence. Fortunately here it's done only by the few pinkos - often while extolling the virtues of Cuba [where they visit often but never want to stay]

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Wonderful - myself in a state of utter bitterness and contempt for most of humanity can say one thing that is fact regarding America - Canada and most other nations - All are crimminal enterprises....all are corrupt - all are ugly - everyone lies - and our buisness elite and poitical persons all murder indirectly...incrimentally destroying all that is good...YES the sky is blue and it is a wonderful world--- why do some use all their power and energy to disrupt and oppress? America stinks........How can you say it is a wonderful place when as we speak some poor lost soul languishes in a gutter...while another is famous and rich for being able to snort 2000 dollars of cocaine in one sitting? Yes - such a wonderful place - it's a shit hole!

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