Caucasians

[Peter F]

[Okay, so you fear the other races. Not because of any cultural difference, but because (place racial designation here) inherently wish to kill all caucasians. I see no basis for the assumption. Nevertheless, what has this got to do with your claim that Caucasians are committing racial suicide? and why is racial suicide a bad thing?

I can only assume this cartoon version of a discussion is meant tongue in cheek?

you assume wrongly. No tongue in my cheek at all.

Your original question was is anyone concerned or not concerned about the impending racial suicide of Caucasians. I said no I am not concerned about the demise of Caucasians. Whats the problem? You asked a question and I provided an answer.

You have said that you forsee sometime in the future other races discriminating against Caucasions. Fine.

But your original question was not about discrimination and/or genocide or anything else resulting from one races acts against another. It is about Caucasian racial suicide via immigration.

You however seem very concerned - I asked why? Was my question out of the blue? Irrational? Off subject? Insulting?

[ScottSA]

[Okay, so you fear the other races. Not because of any cultural difference, but because (place racial designation here) inherently wish to kill all caucasians. I see no basis for the assumption. Nevertheless, what has this got to do with your claim that Caucasians are committing racial suicide? and why is racial suicide a bad thing?

I can only assume this cartoon version of a discussion is meant tongue in cheek?

you assume wrongly. No tongue in my cheek at all.

Your original question was is anyone concerned or not concerned about the impending racial suicide of Caucasians. I said no I am not concerned about the demise of Caucasians. Whats the problem? You asked a question and I provided an answer.

You have said that you forsee sometime in the future other races discriminating against Caucasions. Fine.

But your original question was not about discrimination and/or genocide or anything else resulting from one races acts against another. It is about Caucasian racial suicide via immigration.

You however seem very concerned - I asked why? Was my question out of the blue? Irrational? Off subject? Insulting?

Oh sorry. I assumed that the phrase " inherently wish to kill all caucasians" upon which your entire post hinged, was just a farce. I'm sorry you meant it seriously...I don't know what to say...

[Hollus]

Im just trying to illustrate the hypocrisy.

You are doing a poor job.

My apologies, I will try harder.

ScottSA claims that dark skinned people are going to commit genocide against caucasians in the not so distant future. Where does this fear come from? It comes from sweeping generalizations and condemnations of others, which are both precursors of the genocide he's afraid of. So dark skinned people have just as much if not more reason to fear the likes of him. The type of isolationism he supports creates a positive feedback loop inwhich the very things he fears are much more likely to happen.

[ScottSA]

Im just trying to illustrate the hypocrisy.

You are doing a poor job.

My apologies, I will try harder.

ScottSA claims that dark skinned people are going to commit genocide against caucasians in the not so distant future. Where does this fear come from? It comes from sweeping generalizations and condemnations of others, which are both precursors of the genocide he's afraid of. So dark skinned people have just as much if not more reason to fear the likes of him. The type of isolationism he supports creates a positive feedback loop inwhich the very things he fears are much more likely to happen.

What nonsense. I didn't make any such claim, I simply pointed out that discrimination, including genocide, has happened everywhere and always when races are mixed. It doesn't come from "sweeping generalizations", it comes from historical fact. To say that this creates a "feedback loop" is so completely disingenuous that it's not worthy of comment, except to say that it demonstratyes an irrational fear on your part of having a grownup discussion on this topic.

[Peter F]

Oh sorry. I assumed that the phrase " inherently wish to kill all caucasians" upon which your entire post hinged, was just a farce. I'm sorry you meant it seriously...I don't know what to say...

Okay, lets forget all that and start over...

ScottSA:

But survival of a race is very much a valid question. I don't mean the euphemisms of culture and all the other sidesteps we tend to use, nor do I mean culture. ...

Anyway, the question is this:

Is anyone concerned that Caucasians are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race?

...it is a fair question. Given the below replacement birthrates of caucasians across the board, if the west continues on this path, caucasians will become a minority in their own traditional lands, and eventually be absorbed into the other genetic pools....

I'm sure I forgot some caveats, but the question stands...is anyone concerned? Is anyone not concerned?

Is anyone not concerned? I am not concerned.

[White Doors]

Im just trying to illustrate the hypocrisy.

You are doing a poor job.

My apologies, I will try harder.

ScottSA claims that dark skinned people are going to commit genocide against caucasians in the not so distant future. Where does this fear come from? It comes from sweeping generalizations and condemnations of others, which are both precursors of the genocide he's afraid of. So dark skinned people have just as much if not more reason to fear the likes of him. The type of isolationism he supports creates a positive feedback loop inwhich the very things he fears are much more likely to happen.

He didn't mention a specific race.

If you study history, being a minority is not a desireable thing, unless of course, you live in a country dominated by Caucasians. What if our usurpers are not so benevolent?

It's a valid question and is not in any way, hypocritical.

[ScottSA]

Is anyone not concerned? I am not concerned.

Haven't you already said that?

[August1991]

ScottSA claims that dark skinned people are going to commit genocide against caucasians in the not so distant future. Where does this fear come from? It comes from sweeping generalizations and condemnations of others, which are both precursors of the genocide he's afraid of. So dark skinned people have just as much if not more reason to fear the likes of him. The type of isolationism he supports creates a positive feedback loop inwhich the very things he fears are much more likely to happen.

What nonsense. I didn't make any such claim, I simply pointed out that discrimination, including genocide, has happened everywhere and always when races are mixed. It doesn't come from "sweeping generalizations", it comes from historical fact. To say that this creates a "feedback loop" is so completely disingenuous that it's not worthy of comment, except to say that it demonstratyes an irrational fear on your part of having a grownup discussion on this topic.

Whatever the validity of your initial question, you don't help matters by making broad generalizations that are false.

In the past century, the greatest killings occurred between Caucasians in Europe (Russians vs Germans, about 35 million killed) or between Africans (Hutus vs. Tutsis, several million) or between Asians (Khmers killing each other, several million).

I'm far more concerned of unenlightened, white skinned people than I am of enlightened dark skinned people.

[Hollus]

Im just trying to illustrate the hypocrisy.

You are doing a poor job.

My apologies, I will try harder.

ScottSA claims that dark skinned people are going to commit genocide against caucasians in the not so distant future. Where does this fear come from? It comes from sweeping generalizations and condemnations of others, which are both precursors of the genocide he's afraid of. So dark skinned people have just as much if not more reason to fear the likes of him. The type of isolationism he supports creates a positive feedback loop inwhich the very things he fears are much more likely to happen.

What nonsense. I didn't make any such claim, I simply pointed out that discrimination, including genocide, has happened everywhere and always when races are mixed. It doesn't come from "sweeping generalizations", it comes from historical fact. To say that this creates a "feedback loop" is so completely disingenuous that it's not worthy of comment, except to say that it demonstratyes an irrational fear on your part of having a grownup discussion on this topic.

well you said you believe the possibility strongly exists that there will be genocide against Caucasians and that they will become the Jews of the 22 century. Is there a historical account of genocide based solely on skin colour?

How would this genocide you fear happen? Are these perpetrators going to just commence in mass murder or will there first be some demonizing through sweeping generalizations and condemnations? Has there ever been a genocide where the victims had not been subjected to generalizations and condemnations from the perpetrators? Have you not made any sweeping generalizations and condemnations towards other cultures?

[ScottSA]

Whatever the validity of your initial question, you don't help matters by making broad generalizations that are false.

In the past century, the greatest killings occurred between Caucasians in Europe (Russians vs Germans, about 35 million killed) or between Africans (Hutus vs. Tutsis, several million) or between Asians (Khmers killing each other, several million).

I'm far more concerned of unenlightened, white skinned people than I am of enlightened dark skinned people.

My proposition was: "I simply pointed out that discrimination, including genocide, has happened everywhere and always when races are mixed. It doesn't come from "sweeping generalizations", it comes from historical fact."

I hardly see how your point addresses it. It is true that female Praying mantises eat male praying mantises, but that hardly addresses the fact that sparrows, everywhere and always, eat praying mantises.

And frankly, some of your numbers...in particular the Asian and African numbers...are suspect. The Hutu killed the Tutsis precisely because they saw them as different races...read the rhetoric used against the Tutsis...it is starkly racialist. And in Asia the same thing applies between the Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, even the Khmer...even in Europe there are racial overtones in wars...in particular the 1st WW.

[August1991]

The Hutu killed the Tutsis precisely because they saw them as different races...read the rhetoric used against the Tutsis...it is starkly racialist.

Saw them as? So we're no longer talking about race as such but rather the perception of race. That makes matters even more confusing (if that were possible).

You should be worried about another Caucasian who perceives you as belonging to a different race. Should brown-eyed Caucasians be fearful of blue-eyed Caucasians? Or will the differences be more subtle. Shoudl Caucasians who watch hockey be afraid of Caucasians who watch football?

[M.Dancer]

The Hutu killed the Tutsis precisely because they saw them as different races...read the rhetoric used against the Tutsis...it is starkly racialist.

Saw them as? So we're no longer talking about race as such but rather the perception of race. That makes matters even more confusing (if that were possible).

You should be worried about another Caucasian who perceives you as belonging to a different race. Should brown-eyed Caucasians be fearful of blue-eyed Caucasians? Or will the differences be more subtle. Shoudl Caucasians who watch hockey be afraid of Caucasians who watch football?

Scots who saw the Northern British as different? Even though both would have the same ancient British ancestors....

[ScottSA]

The Hutu killed the Tutsis precisely because they saw them as different races...read the rhetoric used against the Tutsis...it is starkly racialist.

Saw them as? So we're no longer talking about race as such but rather the perception of race. That makes matters even more confusing (if that were possible).

You should be worried about another Caucasian who perceives you as belonging to a different race. Should brown-eyed Caucasians be fearful of blue-eyed Caucasians? Or will the differences be more subtle. Shoudl Caucasians who watch hockey be afraid of Caucasians who watch football?

If you want to descend into the ludicrous, that's your business I suppose. I would have thought that phenotype as a descriptive of race would be self-evident, since a good many folks are at pain to point out the lack of genotype differences...and because race has already been defined as phenotype.

I'm not sure that parsing the question out so that you can mock it is particularly helpful, really. If you have a passing acquaintance with history, you'll know that racially motivated wars are by far the most hideous events we are capable of. But I'm not even sure why this thread drifted into genocide...I suppose I made the mistake of defending that as a possiblity, so a bunch of people decided to run that angle down as the hardest scenario to imagine at this particular point in time. That of course doesn't mean it's not likely to happen in the future, it just means that looking out at a bright sky today, in 2007, makes it hard to imagine...today, in 2007.

My larger question was the shrinking numbers and social atomization of caucasians. Aside from the usual yahoos, cartoon debaters, and trolls, I think there were some good posts.

Edited July 11, 2007 by ScottSA

[Hollus]

I do think you have an excessive pride in appearance. I think the sentiments you present in this post are at best superficial. I did not enjoy Kimmy today and I probably will not enjoy her tomorrow. Not unless she develops a deeper set of values and losses the narcissism.

I have a highly developed sense of values. I am with Argus and August in preserving those values is a much more important legacy than preserving any particular skin-tone.

However, I'm not too big to admit that I am influenced by appearance. My suspicion is that only the visually impaired can truthfully say otherwise.

-k

Well I would have thought you would have replied in such a manner rather than stating how you see it as your duty to pass on your radiant skin and straw coloured hair. And ofcourse everyone is influenced by appearance. However, my suspicion is that if you don't recognize beauty in the opposite sex of people with darker skin than yourself you are either visually impaired or have some kind of prejudice towards them.

[ScottSA]

However, my suspicion is that if you don't recognize beauty in the opposite sex of people with darker skin than yourself you are either visually impaired or have some kind of prejudice towards them.

I love the mental gymnastics the PC crowd goes through to deny the bleeding obvious, or better yet to make it into some kind of crime. My suspicion is that you are either in supreme denial or an aberration. Chinese people are attracted to Chinese people, Black to black, and white to white. This is some kind of revelation to you? What does it have to do with "darker skin?" Do you always operate at a bumper sticker level of debate?

[Hollus]

However, my suspicion is that if you don't recognize beauty in the opposite sex of people with darker skin than yourself you are either visually impaired or have some kind of prejudice towards them.

I love the mental gymnastics the PC crowd goes through to deny the bleeding obvious, or better yet to make it into some kind of crime. My suspicion is that you are either in supreme denial or an aberration. Chinese people are attracted to Chinese people, Black to black, and white to white. This is some kind of revelation to you? What does it have to do with "darker skin?" Do you always operate at a bumper sticker level of debate?

Whose doing the gymnastics here? Ceartainly not me. Though Ive seen you do a couple backflips today.

Have you never seen an attractive Asian, Black, Hispanic or middle eastern women before? Does your potential mate have to be of a certain skin colour?

Don't try pigeon holing me as a 'bumper sticker' debator. This is your bumper sticker level thread and this line of questioning is right to the point of it.

[Liam]

The premise is false. Repeat. The premise is false. How can we (in good conscience) debate about a topic that has a false premise? It's not about the debate. It's about drudging up old hatred.

I am not taking a position either way, but if the underlying premise is false, why don't you show us how it is false rather than just stating that it is?

[White Doors]

I like Malatto's (sp?) and Asians with large breastsesses..

Also, there are pretty hot hindu ladies.

mmm....

Liam, who are your favourite dudes that you like?

Edited July 11, 2007 by White Doors

[ScottSA]

Have you never seen an attractive Asian, Black, Hispanic or middle eastern women before?

Yup

Does your potential mate have to be of a certain skin colour?

Yup. I'm certainly not going to contribute to submerging my Caucasian genes, and I happen to like my daughter's blonde hair. So solly if it offends you... Edited July 12, 2007 by ScottSA

[kimmy]

I do think you have an excessive pride in appearance. I think the sentiments you present in this post are at best superficial. I did not enjoy Kimmy today and I probably will not enjoy her tomorrow. Not unless she develops a deeper set of values and losses the narcissism.

I have a highly developed sense of values. I am with Argus and August in preserving those values is a much more important legacy than preserving any particular skin-tone.

However, I'm not too big to admit that I am influenced by appearance. My suspicion is that only the visually impaired can truthfully say otherwise.

Well I would have thought you would have replied in such a manner rather than stating how you see it as your duty to pass on your radiant skin and straw coloured hair. And ofcourse everyone is influenced by appearance. However, my suspicion is that if you don't recognize beauty in the opposite sex of people with darker skin than yourself you are either visually impaired or have some kind of prejudice towards them.

Where did I ever say I don't recognize beauty in other races?

I simply said that I'd like to see my own phenotype survive into the future, for sentimental reasons. Why would that be seen as a snub to people of darker coloration? Is a Gay Pride parade a snub directed at heterosexuals? Is Caribana a snub directed at everybody who isn't Caribbean?

Is it somehow a threat to darker people if I describe my skin as "radiant"? Maybe it's just a healthy self-image. A few weeks ago I described myself as "whiter than sour cream," and nobody objected to that. Should I consider my appearance in only self-deprecating terms, rather than romanticized ones? Isn't a black woman who describes herself as "ebony" doing the same thing?

And you didn't address my earlier question: don't you want the children of the future to come in "all the colors of the rainbow"?

I have been taught since childhood how "diversity makes us stronger", and "we are richer when we paint with all the colors of the wind" and how living with people of many colours opens our minds and how living in a monochrome world shuts them, and (...uh, I'm trying to remember all the other slogans I learned from elementary school and Sesame Street...)

But it seems as though the politically correct crowd here are now saying that it doesn't actually matter if there are no "white people" in the future, that colour is just an artificial construct, and that contemplating whether "white" might vanish in the future is, in itself, a racist thing to ask?

So, uh, aren't we richer when we paint with all the colours of the wind? Do you really want your grandkids and great-grandkids to grow up in a monochrome world that shuts minds (etc)?

-k

[marcinmoka]

Is anyone not concerned?

Variety in the gene pool makes for a healthy population!

Do I care? No. Not really. If they consider themselves Canadian, share our common mores and pass those same values onto their progeny, I could not care less what shade their skin may be.

[Xman]

You are a scared scared little boy ScottSA. If scared little boys like yourself become prevalent and manage to wield the power to dominate this country with your self righteous isolationism such a far-fetched future may be realized. But it would have been

sowed by your ilk.

Yes, thank you so much for the stirling psychological analysis, but unfortunately your credibility pooled around your ankles long ago, apparently taking your commas and language skills with it. "Sowed by your ilk?" Why are you so afraid of the topic?

Ad hominen, ScottSA? Didn't you get warned yet? Stop jamming this thread.

[Xman]

Does'nt bother me in the least.

Why would it?

...and with a swish of his tail and an airy toss of his head, Peter establishes his credentials as a myopic utopic!

Ad hominen?

[Xman]

ScottSA assumes that the other races have some inherant genetic quality that makes them want to destroy the other races. Remember, cultural differences/values, have nothing to do with ScottSA's original question.

It follows then that ScottSA fears the other races because the other races are Dangerous to us Caucasions.

and thus this entire thread and his question is in itself racism of the worst sort.

But prettied up nicely.

What can I say? You're an idiot. ScottSA doesn't "assume" that "other races have some inherant genetic quality that makes them want to destroy the other races," ScottSA has just read a little history and knows that races are not known for getting along real well; to wit: killing each other off every chance they get, everywhere and always without exception. For a while under Tito, Yugoslavia was starting to look like a first, but oops...

Again?

[Xman]

Folks, let's boycot this thread, also. Why give them a platform?