Caucasians

[M.Dancer]

I don't think it is a bigoted question.

I think it's a stupid question.

Try rephrasing it to actually mean what you want it to mean.

Is anyone concerned that Western Europeans are intentionally destroying themselves as a semi sort of homogenous race? It's a fair question, I think, because that is the course embarked upon many years ago when the traditionally Western European nations embarked upon policies, almost as one, to institute mass immigration of so-called "non white non western europeans."

[M.Dancer]

What does wiki say?

The Caucasian race (sometimes called the Caucasoid race) is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as, "relating to a broad division of humankind covering peoples from Europe, the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa" or "white-skinned; of European origin" or "relating to the region of the Caucasus in SE Europe."[1] The concept's existence is based on the now discredited typological method of racial classification.[2]

What Canada needs to stay caucasian are more south asians.....

With this I delcare this thread dead, now pass the prathas and STFU.

[M.Dancer]

If I had a brown baby I wouldn't love it any less. But I'd like to think that my descendants might give the future some visible reminder of Kimmy.

-k

I think your descendants would be truly fortunate if they have your wit.

[ScottSA]

I don't think it is a bigoted question.

I think it's a stupid question.

Try rephrasing it to actually mean what you want it to mean.

Is anyone concerned that Western Europeans are intentionally destroying themselves as a semi sort of homogenous race? It's a fair question, I think, because that is the course embarked upon many years ago when the traditionally Western European nations embarked upon policies, almost as one, to institute mass immigration of so-called "non white non western europeans."

I'm trying to avoid getting into this nit-picking nonsense over genetics. I know you hold near and dear all the PC paraphenalia dumped on us to minimize the issue, and long ago grabbed onto the the idea that race is a construct and that there is little genetic difference between races and so on, but the fact that phenotypes exist and that they manifest differently is without question.

It is a fact that a Bantu tribeman cannot be mistaken for a Scotsman, and the difference is not confined to dress and customs. Twist as you will, this is a fact.

So let's leave that line of questioning out of this. To paraphrase an American lawmaker, race is like porn...defining it may be imprecise, but we all know it exists.

[M.Dancer]

It is a fact that a Bantu tribeman cannot be mistaken for a Scotsman, and the difference is not confined to dress and customs. Twist as you will, this is a fact.

And the physical difference is as irrelevant as it gets. Putting aside the real cultural differences between a scots clansman and a bantu tribesman, over the internet they are indistinguishable.

To the point, there are real physical differences between the 6 foot plus swede and the 5 foot 5" Sicilian, and one will not be mistaken for the other......but who gives a flying whatsitcalled?

If all you have going for you is that other "races" appear different, I suggest you take St Paul's sage advice.

Edited July 11, 2007 by M.Dancer

[Peter F]

ScottSA:

It's a fair question, I think, because that is the course embarked upon many years ago when the traditionally Caucasian nations embarked upon policies, almost as one, to institute mass immigration of so-called "visible minorities."

All other races have a territorial homeland in which they are largely homogenous. That used to be true of caucasians in Europe as well, but by choice, that homogeniety is disappearing. Once it does, the race itself stands no chance of surviving as an entity.

The 'Caucasians', as a race disappear from the earth.

Apparently the sowhat is that ScottSA fears another race or perhaps the other races will, once white numbers decline sufficiently, engage us whites in a race war in order to eliminate us from the face of the earth. And poor us will have no israel to retreat to...not that it would matter because, of ScottSA is correct, the 'Caucasions' are committing racial suicide anyways by not having lots of kids.

Since this thread is not about cultural differences then, as Xman asked: So we all become caramel, so what?

I think Xman has a perfectly valid point.

[Mad_Michael]

I don't believe that 'race' is a valid category or classification. It is a sociocultural construct, not a scientific one.

[Rue]

Besides, if you want to take the long view, the reason we look the way we do is because of environmental factors which are largely still at play. In other words, leave the family of that pitch black African immigrant here in the north eating meat for a few hundred generations and his descendants are gonna be as white as Don Cherry. Likewise, all those South African Boers are going to have Black descendants eventually.

Physical evolutionary factors are not really at play any more. A black person living in the north isn't going to die from vitamin D defficiency from insufficient sunlight, because he can just take some vitamins. A white person living on the equator isn't gonna die from sunburn, he can just put on some sunscreen. Those are simplifications of course, but the point is that modern technology removes a lot of evolutionary factors that originally made peoples in certain geographic areas differ in the way they do.

Well then, presumably, we'll all blend together into one homogeneous race again, as we were in the beginning.

It stands to reason. We know that if any life form in-breeds and doesn't vary its genetic pool, it dies out.

However the dying out is gradual and in the interim I have to put up with people burning crosses on my lawn.

[White Doors]

I don't believe that 'race' is a valid category or classification. It is a sociocultural construct, not a scientific one.

And because it is a 'sociocultural construct' it is much more real and valid than if it was just a scientific classification.

ergo, it is even more important that we discuss it.

The only people on the earth who refuse to even discuss it are the very race that we are discussing.

Interesting to say the least.

[Bonam]

On a more immediate level I don't want my kids or their kids or their kids to be faced with the potential of violence or even genocide with no place to retreat to. Once caucasians (thanks Argus, I know about the Caucasus lol) become a minority in Caucasia (the west), that potential exists, and strongly exists, given history. I think it entirely possible that in the not too distant future, Caucasians may become the Jews of the 22nd century, but with no Israel to retreat to.

You can always make one. In Antarctica or on Mars or one of Jupiter's Moon's or something.

Thinking about this issue some more though, I've come to think that our western civilizations tend to be very laid back and tolerant and appeasing, for as long as they can be. But when they get really threatened, when a real, existential threat is presented, they are also the most determined and ruthless in eliminating that threat (world war II being the obvious example). If the Caucasian race dwindles and genocide against Caucasians begins to emerge, then those that remain at that point will fight back with immense determination and courage, just like the Jews did in Israel, and establish a nation (or many nations) of their own. It only takes a few million survivors to start up a nation, if the will is there.

Apparently the sowhat is that ScottSA fears another race or perhaps the other races will, once white numbers decline sufficiently, engage us whites in a race war in order to eliminate us from the face of the earth. And poor us will have no israel to retreat to...not that it would matter because, of ScottSA is correct, the 'Caucasions' are committing racial suicide anyways by not having lots of kids.

You sound happy at the prospect, as if it is a punishment that Caucasians have long deserved and yet so far escaped or something. Assuming you are Caucasian, and assuming that you might have some offspring one day, would you not be concerned for them, if the above scenario were to occur?

[White Doors]

It stands to reason. We know that if any life form in-breeds and doesn't vary its genetic pool, it dies out.

However the dying out is gradual and in the interim I have to put up with people burning crosses on my lawn.

The Jew's biggest defenders today are the caucasian race

[kimmy]

I do think you have an excessive pride in appearance. I think the sentiments you present in this post are at best superficial. I did not enjoy Kimmy today and I probably will not enjoy her tomorrow. Not unless she develops a deeper set of values and losses the narcissism.

I have a highly developed sense of values. I am with Argus and August in preserving those values is a much more important legacy than preserving any particular skin-tone.

However, I'm not too big to admit that I am influenced by appearance. My suspicion is that only the visually impaired can truthfully say otherwise.

And, as Argus postulated, it might be something that is hard-wired into the human mind. There seems to be scientific support for the claim. I believe that one experiment showed the subject photographs of people of the opposite sex, and choose one that they were most attracted to. The collection of photographs included digitally manipulated images of the subject's own face. The subjects chose the manipulated images far more often than sheer chance would suggest.

The only reason humans have survived as a species is our social abilities-- our inherent ability to form cohesive groups to unite for mutual survival. And I think you will find that as with less advanced animals, this function centers around family and heredity (which is logical, as the best way to ensure that one's DNA is passed along to future generations is to ensure that one's own descendants survive.) And I think you'll find that as in less advanced animals, visual cues are closely tied to this function.

Anyway, don't you want the children of the future to come in all the colors of the rainbow?

You will give 50% of your gen material to your kid, roughly 25% will go on to grandkids and roughly 12.5% will go on to great grandkids.

So basically she seems to think that if her kids marry white then a greater % of her gen material will be passed on?

Thats what I get from her post, which suggests she does not understand either simple math or simple bio.

I'm highly adept at math, and know more than a smattering about biology as well.

My comments were not inspired by a lack of grasp of fractions.

They were based on the observation that white people who have children with children of other races tend to share more characteristics with the non-white parent.

I've never observed mixed-race children to have light skin, light hair, light eyes, or prominent noses, for instance.

Oh but argus, you are mistaken, persons who were not considered 'white' not so long ago, are now accepted as 'white', you see, what 'white' is is always changing, which is why it is so much baloney!

Could you expand upon this? What persons are now considered "White" who were not previously?

Well, I hate to come across as supporting Kuzadd, which I consider to be more or less anathema.

However, when my mom's side of the family, eastern European religious kooks, arrived on these shores, they were not considered by Canada's existing British Isles stock to be of the same race.

I think your descendants would be truly fortunate if they have your wit.

aw,

-k

[Rue]

I don't believe that 'race' is a valid category or classification. It is a sociocultural construct, not a scientific one.

These discussions remind me of the Borg in Star Trek and how race is seen like the Borg coming to assimilate and swallow everyone up.

In my younger days I liked assimilating with Borgs from many quadrants.

I agree with Kimmy though. To me the key to assimilating with Borgs is to find one who smell nice, has good teeth and nice hair and of course has no skin lesions. That is the key.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Rue

[White Doors]

One of the leading theories as to why the Jews are hated so is because of custom's originally, but now alot of other cultures believe there to ba a jewish 'race' as well. It is irrelevant if this is scientifically valid or not as perception is reality..

Anyways, the theory goes that Jews are hated and have been hated so much through history and today is because they are 1) almost always a minority in the society in which they live and 2) They stubbornly keep their culture and refuse to assimilate with the majority - both culturally and racially.

So Rue, you should think a little deeper on the subject before the Star Trek References come out.

[Hollus]

Well ScottSA my post may have appeared cloyingly sentimental to you but that is only because you suffer from a social disease and lack the capacity to embrace anyone who does not resemble yourself. My post had a very specific and valid point which is that it is not your skin tone you pass down to generations that matters but your values and beliefs. Though in your case I hope that if you do pro-create (or already have) that it is your skin tone you pass down and not your values and beliefs.

In your opening post you ask:

That folks focus on the question and not get side tracked by what you might think my sinister motives are for asking it...

Then in post # 49 you reveal a sinister motive:

I don't want my kids or their kids or their kids to be faced with the potential of violence or even genocide with no place to retreat to. Once caucasians become a minority in Caucasia (the west), that potential exists, and strongly exists, given history. I think it entirely possible that in the not too distant future, Caucasians may become the Jews of the 22nd century, but with no Israel to retreat to.

You are a scared scared little boy ScottSA. If scared little boys like yourself become prevalent and manage to wield the power to dominate this country with your self righteous isolationism such a far-fetched future may be realized. But it would have been

sowed by your ilk.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Hollus

[Bonam]

The same people who feel the Chinese or Indians are swallowing up the planet like Borgs from Star Trek can do l of 2 things. Either run to the mountains and reproduce as many caucasians as they can if they are not too inbred already and are not infertile, or they can simply find themselves a Chinese or Indian girl-friend and get on down to assimilating. Resistance is futile.

Come on Rue, you should understand the concern, being a Jew. Jews have existed as a distinct ethnocultural group for over 3000 years. Some would even consider Jews to be a race (or a collection of races). Where Jews have existed as minorities in the nations of other races or cultures, they have suffered discrimination to some extent throughout almost this entire historical period. Is it not a valid concern for Jews to want to remain as Jews, propagate their ethnicity and culture (or at least some aspects thereof) through the generations, and protect themselves from discrimination by maintaining a primarily Jewish homeland? If anything, the continued existence of Jews has shown that resistance definitely is NOT futile.

If it is a valid concern for Jews, why would a similar concern not be valid for other ethnic, racial, or cultural groups that may feel that they also could be threatened, in the future?

Edited July 11, 2007 by Bonam

[White Doors]

Bingo!

[ScottSA]

It is a fact that a Bantu tribeman cannot be mistaken for a Scotsman, and the difference is not confined to dress and customs. Twist as you will, this is a fact.

And the physical difference is as irrelevant as it gets. Putting aside the real cultural differences between a scots clansman and a bantu tribesman, over the internet they are indistinguishable.

To the point, there are real physical differences between the 6 foot plus swede and the 5 foot 5" Sicilian, and one will not be mistaken for the other......but who gives a flying whatsitcalled?

If all you have going for you is that other "races" appear different, I suggest you take St Paul's sage advice.

Unfortunately the internet doesn't comprise the totality of most our our existences, so that's totally irrelevant.

If all you have going for you is the above, then why don't you distil it into "I don't care" and leave it at that?

[Hollus]

The same people who feel the Chinese or Indians are swallowing up the planet like Borgs from Star Trek can do l of 2 things. Either run to the mountains and reproduce as many caucasians as they can if they are not too inbred already and are not infertile, or they can simply find themselves a Chinese or Indian girl-friend and get on down to assimilating. Resistance is futile.

Come on Rue, you should understand the concern, being a Jew. Jews have existed as a distinct ethnocultural group for over 3000 years. Some would even consider Jews to be a race (or a collection of races). Where Jews have existed as minorities in the nations of other races or cultures, they have suffered discrimination to some extent throughout almost this entire historical period. Is it not a valid concern for Jews to want to remain as Jews, propagate their ethnicity and culture (or at least some aspects thereof) through the generations, and protect themselves from discrimination by maintaining a primarily Jewish homeland? If anything, the continued existence of Jews has shown that resistance definitely is NOT futile.

If it is a valid concern for Jews, why would a similar concern not be valid for other ethnic, racial, or cultural groups that may feel that they also could be threatened, in the future?

It should be a concern for the racists here, but caucasians are not an ethnocultural group. Hence, the rest of us are not worried.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Hollus

[ScottSA]

You are a scared scared little boy ScottSA. If scared little boys like yourself become prevalent and manage to wield the power to dominate this country with your self righteous isolationism such a far-fetched future may be realized. But it would have been

sowed by your ilk.

Yes, thank you so much for the stirling psychological analysis, but unfortunately your credibility pooled around your ankles long ago, apparently taking your commas and language skills with it. "Sowed by your ilk?" Why are you so afraid of the topic?

[ScottSA]

It should be a concern for racists like yourselves, but caucasians are not an ethnocultural group. Hence, the rest of us are not worried.

Good. You distilled your opinion. Now stop jamming the thread and let "the rest of us"," many of whom don't share your opinion, speak. Ok?

[Rue]

It stands to reason. We know that if any life form in-breeds and doesn't vary its genetic pool, it dies out.

However the dying out is gradual and in the interim I have to put up with people burning crosses on my lawn.

The Jew's biggest defenders today are the caucasian race

And how would you measure that? No seriously.

I believe there are good and bad people of all races.

But yes I must admit, some of my best friends are Caucasian and yegads Christian too!!!!!!

I take people as I find them. I have found ignorant racist people in all races and cultures and I would say in my subjective experiences, its been pretty much the same in all of them-some good, some bad, some in between.

Actually growing up I was exposed to some very nasty caucasians for many years. But I did not let that "colour" me and allow me to hate caucasians.

Some of my best friends are Caucasian and yegads Christian. I just can't deal with the butter and ham sandwitch thing or lettuce and tomatoes on bagels and them calling bagels (bah-gulls) or not understanding what rye bread and mustard is used for or that you don't put lettuce and tomato with smoked meat and if you do not use rye bread then the only acceptable alternative is an onion bun not a Kaiser bun.

Also I do not understand why they serve ham with a fishnet stocking. I find that very savage.

Also what's with this attracttion to argyle socks and quilts?

Also I have to draw the line at blood sausage and calf's brain.

Other then that I am quite tolerant of caucasians. Even when they can't dance or tell me Camilla Parker Bowles is attractive.

[Peter F]

Apparently the sowhat is that ScottSA fears another race or perhaps the other races will, once white numbers decline sufficiently, engage us whites in a race war in order to eliminate us from the face of the earth. And poor us will have no israel to retreat to...not that it would matter because, of ScottSA is correct, the 'Caucasions' are committing racial suicide anyways by not having lots of kids.

You sound happy at the prospect, as if it is a punishment that Caucasians have long deserved and yet so far escaped or something.

I am neither happy nor unhappy at the suspected demise of the Caucasian race. In my view race matters not. Thus I fail to comprehend the concern.

A race war however is a different story. That implies massive amounts of killing and blood and pain and lamentation and mourning. But ScottSA's original question wasn't about genocide. ScottSA's question was about racial suicide. I'm not killing myself anytime soon, and I suspect most people arn't, so what is ScottSA talking about - surely not a violent end to the Caucasian race. No, he seems to be wondering more about the racial suicide of caucasian race due to massive amounts of immigration thus depriving us whites of a racial homeland/bunker when the genocidal maniacs of the other races decide to finish us off.

Assuming you are Caucasian, and assuming that you might have some offspring one day, would you not be concerned for them, if the above scenario were to occur?

You assume correctly on both assumptions. Am I concerned about a violent end to the Caucasian race (if there is such a thing) - I would be if I thought it was something likely. But I don't share ScottSA's worry about massive immigration depriving us of a bunker. If, as he claims, the Caucasian race is committing suicide through immigration and lack of breeding amongst the racially pure, then I am not concerned about the feared demise at all. Does'nt bother me in the least.

Why would it?

[ScottSA]

We made our choices, or rather, our parents did, and there's no going back on them short of some kind of uber Hitler arising and throwing all non-whites into death camps.

That of course is the other side of the coin. It is clear to me that the melting pot is not happening, neither here nor in the US, and certainly not in Europe. Nor is the balkanization entirely cultural, although it is in some places ethno-cultural. But that balkanization is occuring is without question. As long as there is a hegemonic ethno-culture, the trouble can be minimized and the trouble-makers catered to...but what happens when the numbers begin to average out. This notion of a caramel coloured race of happy folks with vibrant street festivals ain't happening, so what is going to happen?

[White Doors]

And how would you measure that? No seriously.

Easy! What nations are the biggest defenders of Israel and what race make up the majority of said nations?

I also believe there are good and bad in all races, of course - but that is off topic.