Caucasians

[jefferiah]

I do think you have an excessive pride in appearance. I think the sentiments you present in this post are at best superficial. I did not enjoy Kimmy today and I probably will not enjoy her tomorrow. Not unless she develops a deeper set of values and losses the narcissism.

I have a highly developed sense of values. I am with Argus and August in preserving those values is a much more important legacy than preserving any particular skin-tone.

However, I'm not too big to admit that I am influenced by appearance. My suspicion is that only the visually impaired can truthfully say otherwise.

-k

Well I would have thought you would have replied in such a manner rather than stating how you see it as your duty to pass on your radiant skin and straw coloured hair. And ofcourse everyone is influenced by appearance. However, my suspicion is that if you don't recognize beauty in the opposite sex of people with darker skin than yourself you are either visually impaired or have some kind of prejudice towards them.

I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Personally I find women of other races very attractive but so what if someone else doesnt. I have heard of black guys who like only white women and dont like black women, and white guys with asian fetishes. And probably some white guys are more attracted to white women then others. Thats nobody's business really. And if you wish to get into the ridiculous things other people were talking about, alot of people like a certain eye color, hair color, build...etc. That's not racist.

Scott is not talking about white supremacy as far as I can tell, he is simply talking about the prospect of an entire "race" (however you define that dying out). I honestly dont think he means it in the way you think he does, but because it can be associated with that people get all up in arms about it.

[ScottSA]

Folks, let's boycot this thread, also. Why give them a platform?

Go away. You're spamming.

Edited July 12, 2007 by ScottSA

[jefferiah]

Is anyone not concerned?

Variety in the gene pool makes for a healthy population!

Do I care? No. Not really. If they consider themselves Canadian, share our common mores and pass those same values onto their progeny, I could not care less what shade their skin may be.

Well, I dont care either really. I pretty much agree with what you just said, but I also dont see anything wrong with someone who wants to preserve a certain race----in and of itself it is not racist. But it is something in common with many of the greatest racial tyrants in history, but nonetheless---in and of itself it is not racist. I am open to the possibility of their being a school of thinkers who while not looking down on others could just honestly wish to preserve "white" people. Why not? It doesnt seem so far-fetched to me. We preserve buildings and forts.

[RB]

Is anyone not concerned?

Variety in the gene pool makes for a healthy population!

Do I care? No. Not really. If they consider themselves Canadian, share our common mores and pass those same values onto their progeny, I could not care less what shade their skin may be.

There was, probably still on-going study - Harvard - I had posted this link a few years ago

They invited folks to look at pictures of faces of people and they record keyboard stokes of who is favored - I believe whites were favored over 80% of the time. I took the test and my score was higher than 80% despite my own inclination to be non-bias. It was much disapproving for my own sensibilities and when it's time for jury duties.

Well in a North American context I do believe that many other races would like to mimic Caucasians, hence carry on some values - the only trouble is that it is simply fantasy to pretend, the others just don't do well economically, socially, politically or in justice.

[jefferiah]

Yeah I have nothing against other races and interracial marrying, dating, etc. But Kimmy raised kind of a cool point when she said about the children of the future being the colors of the rainbow, instead of generic. One thing that makes humanity interesting is that sort of thing. It would be kind of sad to see that go. You know if all flowers were daisies......

[FascistLibertarian]

They invited folks to look at pictures of faces of people and they record keyboard stokes of who is favored - I believe whites were favored over 80% of the time. I took the test and my score was higher than 80% despite my own inclination to be non-bias. It was much disapproving for my own sensibilities and when it's time for jury duties.

I think that study is flawed.

I have NEVER seen anyone who didnt favour whites.

My African friend who is all abotu black culture etc even did.......

Yeah hes concerned about his race of hundreds of millions of people being destoryed.

Yeah right, that cant be what he is really concerned about, there is no way he is that stupid.

Genocides against races, well lets see, what successful ones have we had?

I can think of 2 successful genocides, both against island dwelling hunter gathers.......

In this case ethnic groups (not races, which ScottSA doesnt understand as he already mentioned he considers Scottish people a 'race' when he compared them to Bantu) were destroyed.

could someone please point out a genocide which 'worked'?

If there are still native Americas, Australian Abos, Pygmies, and Bushmen I really dont get how any person who isnt a total and complete moron can be worried about white people going away.

I guess their irrational fear comes down to either

1) someone killing all white people (could never and will never happen)

2) Breeding between different races makes it so no one is white.

If this happens it will not be in our lifetime as the vast majority of white people marry other white people.

No one has yet explained why this would be a 'bad' thing. Its not something im in favour of, but to be afriad of this is bloody stupid.

If someone is concerned about a group with +100 million people getting killed when the Natives, Amish and Mennonites are still around and living then they are either 100% stupid OR have a hidden agenda and are tryign to scare people.

Edited July 12, 2007 by FascistLibertarian

[White Doors]

It appears that the mere mention of this topic bothers you.

Weird, that a libertarian is bothered by thought.

I guess this libertarian only likes certain, PC thought.

Apparently this libertarian would have thought and speech police in his 'libertarian' society.

lol

ahhh... the hypocricy..

[ScottSA]

It appears that the mere mention of this topic bothers you.

Weird, that a libertarian is bothered by thought.

I guess this libertarian only likes certain, PC thought.

Apparently this libertarian would have thought and speech police in his 'libertarian' society.

lol

ahhh... the hypocricy..

Ah, don't mind sweal. He just needs to yap about something in every thread.

[kimmy]

If there are still native Americas, Australian Abos, Pygmies, and Bushmen I really dont get how any person who isnt a total and complete moron can be worried about white people going away.

I guess their irrational fear comes down to either

2) Breeding between different races makes it so no one is white.

If this happens it will not be in our lifetime as the vast majority of white people marry other white people.

No one has yet explained why this would be a 'bad' thing. Its not something im in favour of, but to be afriad of this is bloody stupid.

If someone is concerned about a group with +100 million people getting killed when the Natives, Amish and Mennonites are still around and living then they are either 100% stupid OR have a hidden agenda and are tryign to scare people.

I omit the discussion regarding genocide, as I too think it's an irrational fear.

But with regard to interbreeding, some of the points you've mentioned were indirectly addressed in (I believe) the original post.

The significant difference between us compared to these groups that still persist in spite of their tiny numbers was mentioned early on. They are highly insular, and have their own territories where outsiders simply aren't found.

White western democracies are not insular. We invite others to our territories, and make a concerted effort to integrate them into our fabric. We make an intentional effort to work against isolation and xenophobia, the very factors that have ensured the survival of the Amish and the Bushmen et al.

I suppose one could argue that Amish country and Huttorite colonies will constitute enclaves that will ensure that an undiluted Caucasian gene pool exists into the future. Not exactly the future I want for "my people", though.

But what happens will happen. I believe that genetic scientists have been doing research and study which indicates that migration and interaction and interbreeding between different populations has been happening for a very long time.

Now our transportation and communication technologies will allow this interaction to happen at a far greater rate.

No one has yet explained why this would be a 'bad' thing. Its not something im in favour of, but to be afriad of this is bloody stupid.

It's not something that I "fear" per se, but as I mentioned earlier, it's something that I don't want to happen, for purely sentimental reasons.

-k

[Xman]

Do I fear it? No. I suppose at the core of this thread is fear. The question could be: What do you fear?

[M.Dancer]

I have been quite fortunate in my pre married life to have had many girlfriends and one nighters from almost every race out there. I can honestly say while I was very attracted to them, their parents weren't to fond of me.

And I think it didn't have much to do with me being white either.....

[Xman]

This thread should be called Aryans.

[betsy]

The premise is false. Repeat. The premise is false. How can we (in good conscience) debate about a topic that has a false premise? It's not about the debate. It's about drudging up old hatred.

I am interested reading the various point of views, and likewise I don't see any racism in the question that was raised.

Although I understand you have to have your say, I do however find it annoying that you would disrupt the conversation by repeating your replies. So you stated it's a false premise. We can read. We can decide for ourselves if we agree with you or not.

If you find the topic too unbearable, then go find other topics to join.

Thank you very much.

[Xman]

So far, I am free to express my opinion, and so far, you are free to express yours. Since we are free to express ourselves, then it would be a violation of my autonomy for you to insist that I post elsewhere. I, on the other hand, encourage your participation in this thread. I choose to not be annoyed. You choose to be annoyed. See? Autonomy.

[ScottSA]

This thread should be called Aryans.

Why are you so afraid of this topic? Obviously a number of people are racialdiscussionphobic, and need to be re-educated. Preferably in camps in the far northwoods, teeming with black flies, mosquitos and no-see-ums. And bears of all races and colors.

[M.Dancer]

This thread should be called Aryans.

Why are you so afraid of this topic? Obviously a number of people are racialdiscussionphobic, and need to be re-educated. Preferably in camps in the far northwoods, teeming with black flies, mosquitos and no-see-ums. And bears of all races and colors.

Stop it! You're making me nostalgic for my youth......

[betsy]

So far, I am free to express my opinion, and so far, you are free to express yours. Since we are free to express ourselves, then it would be a violation of my autonomy for you to insist that I post elsewhere. I, on the other hand, encourage your participation in this thread. I choose to not be annoyed. You choose to be annoyed. See? Autonomy.

So, why don't you explain to us why you think this is a false premise?

[Xman]

ScottSA asks us, "Is anyone concerned that Caucasians are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race?" He asks us if we are concerned about something that is NOT happening. Caucasians are NOT intentionally destroying themselves. The premise of his question is FALSE. I speculate that there is a need on the part of ScottSA to create a crisis and use that opportunity to express his fears though they are unfounded.

Edited July 12, 2007 by Xman

[ScottSA]

ScottSA asks us, "Is anyone concerned that Caucasians are intentionally destroying themselves as a homogenous race?" He asks us if we are concerned about something that is NOT happening. Caucasians are NOT intentionally destroying themselves. The premise of his question is FALSE. I speculate that there is a need on the part of ScottSA to create a crisis and use that opportunity to express his fears though they are unfounded.

Well, I would argue that a pan-caucasian negative birthrate is indeed indicative of a self-desire to destroy caucasians as a race. Couple this with a pan-caucasian decision to allow floodgate immigration of non-caucasians into all caucasian countries, along with an expressed desire for genetic intermingling, and I would present to you that you are wrong, and obviously wrong.

I'm sure it all began with the best intentions, and indeed I know it did, because I'm quite familiar with the subject. The idea was that the first world will produce the first racially harmonious set of nations; either by co-habitating races, or by genetic intermingling. In this utopic vision, race will cease to matter and everyone will live happily ever after. The trouble of course is that the first world, which also happens to be the caucasian world, are the only ones who did it, so it takes on many of the same characteristics of unilateral disarmament. If this grand experiment disintegrates into regional balkanization along racial lines, and it is already showing signs of strain, everyone else has someplace to go home to. Except Caucasians.

[M.Dancer]

Okay...hows this......given that whiteness is a recessive gene.....the only hope for preserving it is a culture of sexual xenophobia.....but being first and foremost a coinoiseur of fine women, I say no.

If that doesn't work then how about this.....

Given that whiteness is a blip in the history of humanity and that of "Caucasians" then whether my genes live on in the form of an olive skinned black eyed descendant or a red haired green eye one is irrelevant....they would still be genetically my Caucasian descendants.

one last.......

There are hundreds of millions of "white" Caucasians (billions of Caucasians of all shades) ...the low birthrate of a few decades is no cause for racial alarm........besides, we could all have 10 kids if we wanted to live in squalor.....

[Xman]

Well, I would argue that a pan-caucasian negative birthrate is indeed indicative of a self-desire to destroy caucasians as a race.

Why is it indicative? Why is it intended? False premise.

[Xman]

besides, we could all have 10 kids if we wanted to live in squalor.....

It seems that Dancer has expressed the crux of the matter. I suppose survival is intentional. There's your answer, ScottSA.

[betsy]

I am not a Caucasian, therefore I cannot really say if there is this concern, for me.

On the other hand I also see the concern that some Caucasians like Scott is talking about.

I know that my race is nowhere near from dying back in the old country!

But then again, my race is not exactly a good example of what a "pure" race is. We're a mix of Spaniards, Chinese, Malay, Indonesians, and whatever pther races had set foot on our shores.

Other race have a strong desire to preserve their "pureness". Japan and China strongly comes to mind.

I think eventually we'll all be a race of mixed races. It will defintely come sooner to places that had open its doors pretty wide to others.

[Xman]

I think eventually we'll all be a race of mixed races. It will defintely come sooner to places that had open its doors pretty wide to others.

Yep...especially true given modern travel...

[jefferiah]

Okay...hows this......given that whiteness is a recessive gene.....the only hope for preserving it is a culture of sexual xenophobia.....but being first and foremost a coinoiseur of fine women, I say no.

If that doesn't work then how about this.....

Given that whiteness is a blip in the history of humanity and that of "Caucasians" then whether my genes live on in the form of an olive skinned black eyed descendant or a red haired green eye one is irrelevant....they would still be genetically my Caucasian descendants.

one last.......

There are hundreds of millions of "white" Caucasians (billions of Caucasians of all shades) ...the low birthrate of a few decades is no cause for racial alarm........besides, we could all have 10 kids if we wanted to live in squalor.....

But at the same time if some people in the interest of protecting the "white race" (whatever that is, or whatever they see it as) make the decision to date only white women/men etc....how is that any of our business. I don't see anything racist about it at all. If a black guy said he only wanted to date black women I wouldn't jump all over him and accuse him of thinking his race was superior. And chances are neither would the people jumping all over Scott.