They're driving taxi's!

[gc1765]

And nobody is asking them today.

They're not? Isn't that why we have elections?

[ScottSA]

And nobody is asking them today.

They're not? Isn't that why we have elections?

Is that a serious question?

[NovaScotian]

So far, because of the afterglow of European culture and social hegemony and its associated wealth, we've managed to grimace at each other in a semblance of acceptance, if not friendship, but what's going to happen at the first serious economic downturn, when folks start looking around at who to blame? Islam is just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course, because enlightened and cultured Europeans would never fight each other on racial, ethnic or cultural grounds....as long as you forget about the first and second world war, the holocaust, catholics fighting protestants in Ireland, ethnic cleansing, separatists attacks, etc, etc

[mikedavid00]

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay.

No problem. Just knock one or two percentage points off Canada's annual GDP growth - every year.

I might remind you that would put Canada in a recession - pretty much non-stop for the last couple of decades and endless future of recessions.

You like recessions? The only thing keeping Canada out of them is our high immigration level.

Glad you don't run our government.

You're post is completely false. I don't care about GDP. I care about PPP.

India has a far higher GDP than Canada. Is life better in India? No.

GDP is almost worthless in my opinion actually. We can have a very, very small GDP as long as our population is low, we will be fine.

We have already lost 15,000 jobs here in Ontario recently. In 30 days, this many people will be arriving from the airport to join their ethnic enclaves. Tell me how this exactly helps our country.

The only real pinch would be in our housing market. HOwever, this would provide the greatly needed correction that our housing market needs. Besides this, salaries and job satisfaction would sky rocket up.

And the side effect of all this? Oh yes, a better life for each Canadian.

But eh, you're only concerned with GDP like a simpleton who doesn't really understand a countries economy. You are however probably good at listening to the CBC.

[mikedavid00]

Oh and do yourself a favour, go look at the number of immigrants. Then look at break downs of where they come from and how many are coming for jobs and how many are comming as families.

Also look at what you have to do to bring your family over.

If you really want to tighten the system after that, that is fine.

Right now your just uninformed and spouting rhetoric

Honestly people here are (now) very well educated on the immigration issue and the rules to get into Canada. This has been discussed to death in previous posts and it is very time consuming for people to post numbers and cites.

I think that YOU are the one that should be doing some reading on our immigartion policy.

Afterwards, I invite you to read the immigration policy of the US. Then Mexico. Then France, India, Sweden.. you name it. Then compare our system.

[ScottSA]

So far, because of the afterglow of European culture and social hegemony and its associated wealth, we've managed to grimace at each other in a semblance of acceptance, if not friendship, but what's going to happen at the first serious economic downturn, when folks start looking around at who to blame? Islam is just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course, because enlightened and cultured Europeans would never fight each other on racial, ethnic or cultural grounds....as long as you forget about the first and second world war, the holocaust, catholics fighting protestants in Ireland, ethnic cleansing, separatists attacks, etc, etc

What are you talking about? What does any of this have to do with multiculturalism? Because Europeans fought each other, we ought to introduce a whole new level of conflict? Are you ok?

[mikedavid00]

To help pay off my student loans I took a summer job at a pretty unpleasant factory. There I met a woman from Panama who I found out was a University Professor who had written several books on sociology (one of which was translated and used in Canadian schools). She was happy to be in Canada and understood that there was a price to pay for her freedom. She planned to learn to speak English, take any classes that she needed and then continue her career. I think this is much more typical of professionals who come to this country than the taxi driver example that started this thread.

I agree. But again, WE DO NOT NEED WHITE COLLAR INTULLECTUALS IN CANADA. We need laborers. This is like the 4th immigrant story where someone has claimed to have 'written a book' on a topic. Who cares. We don't ahve a job for her that will make her happy.

The mexicans in the us do not attempt to penetrate into the American college system and they don't feel a sense of entitlement to white collar jobs; they are a self admitted underclass and accept it.

I really don't care that she wrote a book or that she feels that she's smart. That's her issue. But her issue has now become MY issue that she's here. Who is going to subsidize her university classes? Ah.. we will.

Who will subsadize her child births and sponsorships? Ah.. we will.

And who will have to listen to her countless sob stories of entitlement about how great and intillectual she is?

Ah, we all will.

Man we seriously, seriously need to completey overhaul our system.

[mikedavid00]

It's beyond shameful to allow such suffering, can you image being a female immigrant and you believe that you are starting a new and free life only to have your husband rebuild the hell hole enclave that you fled? Think of that.

I have met a *countless* amount of femail immigrants.

They basically almost unanumously say that white women are whores and that their culture is superior.

I'm just being honest. They certainly don't feel trapped as you may see them from the outside.

[August1991]

I am thankful for the Internet and this forum. People still feel free to express an opinion. It is sad that no newspaper in Canada would publish Argus' well written post above, despite the fact that I suspect many Canadians think like Argus (in English or in French).

Here's my take, and I'll use this quote:

The tidal wave of immigration which has entered Canada over the past twenty five years has added millions of non-Canadians from largely non-technological, and unsophisticated, backward cultures to Canada. Every urban slum is filled with them. Every criminal street gang is filled with them. Welfare rolls are filled with them.

No one alive today lived through the Enlightenment. We are all born as illiterate savages. For each new born child, we have to show them what this all means. How best to do this? Should we do it here in Canada, or there abroad?

And furthermore Argus, we live in a modern world with 747s. In this world, almost any attractive, competent 20 year old anywhere can work for a year or so and earn enough money to buy a ticket to fly anywhere.

Bureaucrats can no longer control who enters Canada. Our problem is to cope with what that means. And in some ways, I think that the "problem" is a good change.

Argus, in 2207, what will people think of your post?

[Guest coot]

But again, WE DO NOT NEED WHITE COLLAR INTULLECTUALS IN CANADA. We need laborers.

On the contrary, we need skilled labourers--many of whom keep their collars white. We need all sorts of IT professionals, doctors, nurses, and engineers. Labourers are a dime a dozen, and can be easily drawn from those who can't understand the subtlties of apostrophe usage.

Though I suspect your spelling of "intullectuals" is too ironic to be a mistake.

[ScottSA]

Argus, in 2207, what will people think of your post?

Let's hope there is a 2207 and an English language. Unless things change fast, there certainly won't be.

[M.Dancer]

Argus, in 2207, what will people think of your post?

Let's hope there is a 2207 and an English language. Unless things change fast, there certainly won't be.

Franchement!

Vraiment, cela extrême. Les forces culturelles qui jouent sur la langue sont aucunes où près de l'infraction sur l'hégémonie de l'anglais. Les haut-parleurs de farsi de Téhéran et les haut-parleurs d'Urdu de la Karachi sont beaucoup pour employer et incorporer l'anglais dans leurs vies quotidiennes que nous devons employer Urdo ou Farsi.

Et aussi que l'Islam a jugé l'excédent de balancement de vastes secteurs du tiers monde pourtant dans lui est une minorité de musulmans qui parlent arabe. Convenu ?

[Argus]

And nobody is asking them today.

They're not? Isn't that why we have elections?

It would be nice if immigration policy was ever raised in elections, but it never has been. Ever. The troika of PCs, NDP, and Liberals were unanimous in their praise of open immigration. When the Reform Party arose they were, at first, willing to vocalize some of those issues like multiculturalism, immigration and bilingualism which concerned so many millions of Canadians. Howver, after years of hammering by the media and political elites they and their succesors have become little more than cowering quislings and now favour open immigration like the other parties in the desperate hope that somewhere some central Canada news media guy will offer the grudging admission they aren't all evil racist scum.

To oppose wide open immigration, you see, is to put yourself into the same category as Adolph Hitler and the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. In fact, you are probably worse than both put together, so far as the elites are concerned.

[Argus]

I am thankful for the Internet and this forum. People still feel free to express an opinion. It is sad that no newspaper in Canada would publish Argus' well written post above, despite the fact that I suspect many Canadians think like Argus (in English or in French).

Here's my take, and I'll use this quote:

The tidal wave of immigration which has entered Canada over the past twenty five years has added millions of non-Canadians from largely non-technological, and unsophisticated, backward cultures to Canada. Every urban slum is filled with them. Every criminal street gang is filled with them. Welfare rolls are filled with them.

No one alive today lived through the Enlightenment. We are all born as illiterate savages. For each new born child, we have to show them what this all means. How best to do this? Should we do it here in Canada, or there abroad?

And furthermore Argus, we live in a modern world with 747s. In this world, almost any attractive, competent 20 year old anywhere can work for a year or so and earn enough money to buy a ticket to fly anywhere.

Bureaucrats can no longer control who enters Canada. Our problem is to cope with what that means. And in some ways, I think that the "problem" is a good change.

Argus, in 2207, what will people think of your post?

Every time the issue of immigration comes up August speaks glowingly of the need to bring the world to Canada, of the internationalism of man, of how borders are becoming superfluous. And every time he does I say but August, Quebec has it's own very carefully crafted immigration program which focuses on enhancing Quebec's culture and limiting immigrants to those who speak French. Should that end? Should we instead bring in hundreds of thousands of non-French-speaking immigrants and direct them to Quebec? And August's answer is always.......

...Silence

Because August values Quebec's culture and it's uniqueness and does not care to see it swamped by a tidal wave of non-French speaking immigrants who will appreciate neither its culture nor its linguistic uniqueness.

But August has no similar interest, care or value for English Canada and it's culture or values or heritage. Thus he feels free to practice his intellectual sophistication by embracing the concept of one-world. For us. Not for him. Just for us.

[M.Dancer]

Because August values Quebec's culture and it's uniqueness and does not care to see it swamped by a tidal wave of non-French speaking immigrants who will appreciate neither its culture nor its linguistic uniqueness.

Are you aware that the majority of immigrants to Quebec altough nominally francophone are none the less none white?

They are indeed changing the culture of urban quebec and quite frankly that ain't bad.

[Argus]

Because August values Quebec's culture and it's uniqueness and does not care to see it swamped by a tidal wave of non-French speaking immigrants who will appreciate neither its culture nor its linguistic uniqueness.

Are you aware that the majority of immigrants to Quebec altough nominally francophone are none the less none white?

They are indeed changing the culture of urban quebec and quite frankly that ain't bad.

Are you aware that Quebec has a special deal on immigration which Ontario asked for and was denied, and that Quebec takes only a small number of immigrants compared to Ontario? Ontario gets about 50% of immigrants while Quebec gets about 16%. Now what do you think August would say if we proposed reversing that? What do you think Quebecers in general would say?

[betsy]

I could careless where are immigrants come from or the color of their skin what scares me is the "Cultural Practices" of our immigrants.

It's not the immigrant's fault if he practices his culture in a society that says and encourages that he practice his culture.

"Multi-culturalism" is how the left-wing want to sell Canada! And I believe multi-culturalism will be our downfall.

For McGuinty to even consider the possibility of Sharia Law being acceptable in our society is really what's scary! I feel standing on shaky ground.

Shows you that all it takes is to have someone with the authority and power to tweak our system.

[Moxie]

I could careless where are immigrants come from or the color of their skin what scares me is the "Cultural Practices" of our immigrants.

It's not the immigrant's fault if he practices his culture in a society that says and encourages that he practice his culture.

"Multi-culturalism" is how the left-wing want to sell Canada! And I believe multi-culturalism will be our downfall.

For McGuinty to even consider the possibility of Sharia Law being acceptable in our society is really what's scary! I feel standing on shaky ground.

Shows you that all it takes is to have someone with the authority and power to tweak our system.

Bravo Betsy, that in a nut shell is the problem with this Country and the Federal. Government. The left and the left/left pat themselves on the back for their Absolute Tolerance of other cultures with out giving pause to the fact that some of those cultural practices are barbaric and negate our laws. I also agree that to even consider allowing Sharia Law in a democratic country is absurb. England has been allowing it for a few years, a two tier legal system one based on the rule of law the other based on "Man's interpretation of a so called HOLY BOOK". It's assine, we as a society need to stand back and rethink "What do we want from our immigrants". I've had enough of the Federal left dominated government agencies TELLING us what we will tolerate. Stop this leftest nonsense, muliticulture is a cancer that eats it's host. It's a socialist myth to get the immigrant vote and it's been working for shy on twenty years.

[M.Dancer]

Because August values Quebec's culture and it's uniqueness and does not care to see it swamped by a tidal wave of non-French speaking immigrants who will appreciate neither its culture nor its linguistic uniqueness.

Are you aware that the majority of immigrants to Quebec altough nominally francophone are none the less none white?

They are indeed changing the culture of urban quebec and quite frankly that ain't bad.

Are you aware that Quebec has a special deal on immigration which Ontario asked for and was denied, and that Quebec takes only a small number of immigrants compared to Ontario? Ontario gets about 50% of immigrants while Quebec gets about 16%. Now what do you think August would say if we proposed reversing that? What do you think Quebecers in general would say?

I'm not sure how one erroneous tidbit relates to your next one?.....

[Mad_Michael]

Ontario gets about 50% of immigrants while Quebec gets about 16%.

Interesting... I'll have to follow this up.

I didn't realise that Ontario's share of immigration to Canada had actually gone down lately. Did any of the other Provinces actually start to take some or something? Rumour has it there are Muslims out there on the Prairies... is this actually true?

[Guest coot]

And I believe multi-culturalism will be our downfall.

I agree totally. There was no rational reason for the British to deliberately give up one of the greatest countries on earth by allowing other races in. And it's even more bizarre that they would give these races special status with affirmative action programs. It's not that I have anything against these people, but I still look at pictures from 50 years ago of an all-white Canada and get a little nostalgic. Maybe that's racist, maybe that's nationalist: I rationalize it by saying it's an aesthetic preference.

[guyser]

It's not that I have anything against these people, but I still look at pictures from 50 years ago of an all-white Canada and get a little nostalgic. Maybe that's racist,

Maybe? ...as in a little bit?

How about a lot.

[mikedavid00]

It's not that I have anything against these people, but I still look at pictures from 50 years ago of an all-white Canada and get a little nostalgic. Maybe that's racist,

Maybe? ...as in a little bit?

How about a lot.

It's funny how almost every other country on earth appreciates 'their own', except for us here in Canada, UK, and now Australia. We're talking 3 countries out of ALL the countries on earth.

Get out of you CBC bubble and look around. I heard when white people goto Japan people will come up and take pictures with you becuase 'white people' are such rare aliens over there.

Get it through your head - most countries simply do NOT let outsiders into their countries. Go try to immigrate to Mexico and see how far you get. Go and try. Try Italy, France, or Poland and see how far you get just trying to 'wander' into their country.

Good luck.

Canada lets immigrants in because politicians learn that their vote can be exploited to their benefit. When Harper loses the next election, maybe he'll realize that immigrants will never vote for him and he'll never get into office. What do you think he's going to do then? He's going to reform immigration which will stop the status quo. Dion surely wont like that because that threatens their support base.

[Guest coot]

Well, I don't have contempt for other races, which I would consider a trait of a truly racist person. I'm just Hobbesian in my approach to life. If it isn't in my interest, I'm not interested. If having additional races in our society brings about a situation where affirmative action puts the races that have established this country at a disadvantage, how is it in my personal interest to support such a program? Would they ever establish hiring practices in China that favour Caucasians over Chinese? I doubt it, and I don't fault them for that. They understand their own interests, as everyone should.

It's telling how any attempt to question the status quo is immediately shouted down as racism though. It seems some people are either very poor debaters or they have something to hide.

[guyser]

It's funny how almost every other country on earth appreciates 'their own', except for us here in Canada, UK, and now Australia. We're talking 3 countries out of ALL the countries on earth.

Australia is for Australians , has been and will be for some time.

Get out of you CBC bubble and look around. I heard when white people goto Japan people will come up and take pictures with you becuase 'white people' are such rare aliens over there.

You "heard" ? Ok, you heard wrong.Such rare aliens......laughable if it was a joke . CBC bubble , oh come on.

Get it through your head - most countries simply do NOT let outsiders into their countries. Go try to immigrate to Mexico and see how far you get. Go and try. Try Italy, France, or Poland and see how far you get just trying to 'wander' into their country.

You telling me to "get it through my head" is funny. It means that your next point will be incorrect as past assertions have held.

I have friends who have migrated to Mexico and Italy. They said there were no problems. Hmm...guess that makes that point....oh never mind.

I know I know, it is all the immigrants fault. This one trick pony is getting tiresome.