They're driving taxi's!

[mikedavid00]

I'm so damn sick and tired of people saying that we have Dr's as taxi drivers.

Without getting too in depth on this issue, just be completely honest with yourself.

We have all taken taxi's. Do you SERIOUSLY think that these people are the quality of DOCTORS?

I could care less what their stone age degree from their sht hole coutries say they are. That's a whole other post and those degrees are as a good as garbage.

Go to a Canadian or American hostpital and meet Dr. Whitehead or Dr. Bernstien and then get a taxi and meet Abdul or Tarajamakarala and there is a CLEAR, CLEAR difference in itellect between these people.

These cab drivers are not Dr's, they naver have been, and it's VERY obvious when you take a cab and have some low quality person with snot running out his nose and dirt under his fingernails, and smelling like BO claiming he's a doctor back home.

Those who are real dr's, will be gifted and become dr's in Canada like 100's do each year from places like Poland and Ukraine and such. Those who have their 3rd world garbage degree's are immigrants like everyone else taking advantage of Canada's easy system.

What we need to change is the recognition of credentials all together.

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay.

Numbers in Canada will drop 10 fold and will not be much of a burden out our society.

[FascistLibertarian]

Most of your post is pretty stupid and pointless to be honest with you.

I'm so damn sick and tired of people saying that we have Dr's as taxi drivers.

It is unfair for just about everyone for Canada to give people points for their job and then not let them do it here. This issue (MD's driving taxis) is not as bad as people say. Ever seen any stats?

Go to a Canadian or American hostpital and meet Dr. Whitehead or Dr. Bernstien and then get a taxi and meet Abdul or Tarajamakarala and there is a CLEAR, CLEAR difference in itellect between these people.

So your going to judge 'itellect' based on a name?

Those who are real dr's, will be gifted and become dr's in Canada like 100's do each year from places like Poland and Ukraine and such. Those who have their 3rd world garbage degree's are immigrants like everyone else taking advantage of Canada's easy system.

Well you only mention European countries.

I assume you would not mind being treated by a Korean or Japanese doctor?

What about a doctor origionally from India?

What we need to change is the recognition of credentials all together.

So you want to get rid of points for credentials in the immigration system?

Wow, that is one of the wierdest ideas ever........

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay.

Okay having a job lined up already gets you points.

You want this to be the one, and only, thing that matters for getting into the country?

Numbers in Canada will drop 10 fold and will not be much of a burden out our society.

Please provide stats to back this up as to who gets what government money, how many immigrants are unemplyed, average $ an immigrant makes a year etc.

I really dont know what to say buddy.

I really cant find a single thing in your post I agree with or that even makes sense.

[August1991]

All persons applying through the skilled worker class, the family class and refugee class will be required to sign a declaration to the effect that if intending to work in a regulated occupation, it is the applicant's responsibility to obtain information on the requirements from the appropriate regulatory body in Canada and should a permanent resident visa be issued, it does not guarantee employment in a specific occupation.

Link

Any immigrant to Canada with any medical qualifications whatsoever (even nurses and orderlies) has signed a declaration stating that they understood that their credentials may not be recognized in Canada and that they had no guarantee of employment in their field.

These people came to Canada fully warned and with their eyes wide open. They signed a declaration stating that they understood this.

If you buy a used car and the seller pointedly makes you sign a declaration stating that you understand that the car has no guarantee whatsoever, do you have any right to complain if the car breaks down threee months later?

[NovaScotian]

We have all taken taxi's. Do you SERIOUSLY think that these people are the quality of DOCTORS?

I could care less what their stone age degree from their sht hole coutries say they are. That's a whole other post and those degrees are as a good as garbage.

Judging by all the spelling mistakes in your post I don't think you are in any position to decide whether a degree is valid or not.

Go to a Canadian or American hostpital and meet Dr. Whitehead or Dr. Bernstien and then get a taxi and meet Abdul or Tarajamakarala and there is a CLEAR, CLEAR difference in itellect between these people.

Again, you are in no position to judge intellect

These cab drivers are not Dr's, they naver have been, and it's VERY obvious when you take a cab and have some low quality person with snot running out his nose and dirt under his fingernails, and smelling like BO claiming he's a doctor back home.

So basically White European = high quality person. All others = low quality. Where do you live? Bigotville?

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay. "

All the immigrants i know, especially south Asians and east Asians are some of the smartest and hard working people I know. Immigrants to do not burden our society. They bring diversity, new ambitious people, who take a big risk to move to a strange country for the hope of a new life. Most studies conclude that immigrants help our economies to grow and of course, they pay taxes to adding to federal and provincial coffers. We need immigration!

You sound like an extremely bitter immature person.

[madmax]

These cab drivers are not Dr's, they naver have been, and it's VERY obvious when you take a cab and have some low quality person with snot running out his nose and dirt under his fingernails, and smelling like BO claiming he's a doctor back home.

Hi Mike, where yah been lately. Got a job as a cab driver?

I was wondering when you might show up and put forth a controversial racist bigoted post.

I know you are just getting warmed up. Perhaps you would like to comment on your political voting intentions this time around? I can't see this being a positive endeavor for someone of your stature.

[Guest coot]

I definitely see a clear difference in "itellect" in that most ESL cab drivers probably have a way better command of the English language.

[stignasty]

Two of my pet peeves.

They're driving taxi's!

There is no need to use an apostrophe when you are changing a noun (taxi) into its plural (taxis).

We let them in and their taxi drivers!

They're is the contraction of the words they and are. In the first sentence it is used correctly. However, in the second sentence the word their is used instead. In this context you're saying we're letting doctors come in and they are bringing their taxi drivers with them.

[M.Dancer]

Two of my pet peeves.

They're driving taxi's!

There is no need to use an apostrophe when you are changing a noun (taxi) into its plural (taxis).

We let them in and their taxi drivers!

They're is the contraction of the words they and are. In the first sentence it is used correctly. However, in the second sentence the word their is used instead. In this context you're saying we're letting doctors come in and they are bringing their taxi drivers with them.

On the other hand, english may not be his first language and his stubborn efforts are to be applauded....

[kimmy]

Hey, look, it's the guy who is mad because there wasn't a $55,000 desk-job waiting for him when he graduated from the YepNope I.T. College and Haircare Academy, and blames the immigrants for taking all the good jobs.

-k

[ScottSA]

It's all very well to leap on the get-the-troglodyte pile in glee, but he's got a point. It's extremely questionable that we "need" 3rd world immigration, but it's certain we don't need busloads of economically useless 'family re-unification' immigrants. It's also certain that if we have fallen below replacement birthrate, that's a significant problem that ought to addressed at its source, not by using it as justification to look elsewhere. Someone else mentioned that it's not "fair" to give immigrants points for their education and then not allow them to use it, and there are two solutions to that...the PC one, which is of course to credit them with false equivalence, and the most obvious and least PC one, which is not to award points for useless degrees.

And another point...I'm sick unto death of the loudly proclaimed truism that one ought not to look at the changing racial and cultural makeup of this country and of the west in general. It's a herd of elephants sitting on the dining room table, and sooner or later they're going to get up and bring themselves sharply to our attention whether we like it or not. The idiotic piosity of studiously ignoring the subject lest one be considered a "racist" or a "bigot" is head-in-the-sandism of the highest order. The hear-nothing, see-nothing, say-nothing misconstruction of a Gandhiesque platitude seems to have taken over the collective brain of the west, and it's time reality intruded again. I think the thread on a new Chinese immigrant's party spoke volumes, with the usually suspects falling all over themselves to excuse what amounts to a racialist party. The ridiculous leaps of logic and conceptual gymnastics displayed in that thread may well, in the not too distant future, serve the twofold purpose of a cause for extinction and an elegy for the Northern European peoples.

[betsy]

All persons applying through the skilled worker class, the family class and refugee class will be required to sign a declaration to the effect that if intending to work in a regulated occupation, it is the applicant's responsibility to obtain information on the requirements from the appropriate regulatory body in Canada and should a permanent resident visa be issued, it does not guarantee employment in a specific occupation.

Link

Any immigrant to Canada with any medical qualifications whatsoever (even nurses and orderlies) has signed a declaration stating that they understood that their credentials may not be recognized in Canada and that they had no guarantee of employment in their field.

These people came to Canada fully warned and with their eyes wide open. They signed a declaration stating that they understood this.

If you buy a used car and the seller pointedly makes you sign a declaration stating that you understand that the car has no guarantee whatsoever, do you have any right to complain if the car breaks down threee months later?

Yes.

And if I am a doctor....why would I not take whatever is needed so I can practice my profession? Why would they just groan and moan and settle being a taxi driver forever?

I'm sure quite a number of competent immigrant doctors had done what was needed to be recognized and be able to practive in the US and Canada. You see a lot of foreign sounding names.

It only makes it dubious when one lacks the cofidence to do so. Maybe they know fully well that they won't be able to hack it - qualification and Canadian standard-wise.

[Mad_Michael]

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay.

No problem. Just knock one or two percentage points off Canada's annual GDP growth - every year.

I might remind you that would put Canada in a recession - pretty much non-stop for the last couple of decades and endless future of recessions.

You like recessions? The only thing keeping Canada out of them is our high immigration level.

Glad you don't run our government.

[guyser]

These cab drivers are not Dr's, they naver have been, and it's VERY obvious when you take a cab and have some low quality person with snot running out his nose and dirt under his fingernails, and smelling like BO claiming he's a doctor back home.

Still spewing eh mikedavid? Perhaps had you voted your voice would be heard.

[ScottSA]

The immigration system should be quite simple; if an employer proves he cannot hire a Canadian, and sponsors you in, then you are coming. If not, then keep trying and stay out. If you prove to stay employed, then you can stay.

No problem. Just knock one or two percentage points off Canada's annual GDP growth - every year.

I might remind you that would put Canada in a recession - pretty much non-stop for the last couple of decades and endless future of recessions.

You like recessions? The only thing keeping Canada out of them is our high immigration level.

Glad you don't run our government.

Do you have any facts to back up this ridiculous assertion? How is making sure that immigrants don't take scarce jobs from Canadians supposed to put us in recession, much less an "endless future" of them?

[FascistLibertarian]

Do you have any facts to back up this ridiculous assertion? How is making sure that immigrants don't take scarce jobs from Canadians supposed to put us in recession, much less an "endless future" of them?

So more jobs for immigrants means less jobs for Canadians?

That is what you think?

You must have done really well in economics.

And another point...I'm sick unto death of the loudly proclaimed truism that one ought not to look at the changing racial and cultural makeup of this country and of the west in general. It's a herd of elephants sitting on the dining room table, and sooner or later they're going to get up and bring themselves sharply to our attention whether we like it or not. The idiotic piosity of studiously ignoring the subject lest one be considered a "racist" or a "bigot" is head-in-the-sandism of the highest order. The hear-nothing, see-nothing, say-nothing misconstruction of a Gandhiesque platitude seems to have taken over the collective brain of the west, and it's time reality intruded again. I think the thread on a new Chinese immigrant's party spoke volumes, with the usually suspects falling all over themselves to excuse what amounts to a racialist party. The ridiculous leaps of logic and conceptual gymnastics displayed in that thread may well, in the not too distant future, serve the twofold purpose of a cause for extinction and an elegy for the Northern European peoples.

Only a white person would right this.

In terms of culture I agree with you 100%.

This is Canada, people need to accept our values.

What does the 'racial makeup' matter?

Are you suggesting that we award points based on race?

Of course your not that stupid!

So what is your point or suggestion?

Yeah the Northern European people are going to go extinct.

Thats a real legit fear you got there.

I really fear for all white people.

If you want to make an arguement about why Canada should let in less immigrants go ahead.

But we are still going to be letting in more people from Asia than Europe.

Oh and do yourself a favour, go look at the number of immigrants. Then look at break downs of where they come from and how many are coming for jobs and how many are comming as families.

Also look at what you have to do to bring your family over.

If you really want to tighten the system after that, that is fine.

Right now your just uninformed and spouting rhetoric

[ScottSA]

And another point...I'm sick unto death of the loudly proclaimed truism that one ought not to look at the changing racial and cultural makeup of this country and of the west in general. It's a herd of elephants sitting on the dining room table, and sooner or later they're going to get up and bring themselves sharply to our attention whether we like it or not. The idiotic piosity of studiously ignoring the subject lest one be considered a "racist" or a "bigot" is head-in-the-sandism of the highest order. The hear-nothing, see-nothing, say-nothing misconstruction of a Gandhiesque platitude seems to have taken over the collective brain of the west, and it's time reality intruded again. I think the thread on a new Chinese immigrant's party spoke volumes, with the usually suspects falling all over themselves to excuse what amounts to a racialist party. The ridiculous leaps of logic and conceptual gymnastics displayed in that thread may well, in the not too distant future, serve the twofold purpose of a cause for extinction and an elegy for the Northern European peoples.

Only a white person would right this.

In terms of culture I agree with you 100%.

This is Canada, people need to accept our values.

What does the 'racial makeup' matter?

Are you suggesting that we award points based on race?

Of course your not that stupid!

So what is your point or suggestion?

Yeah the Northern European people are going to go extinct.

Thats a real legit fear you got there.

I really fear for all white people.

If you want to make an arguement about why Canada should let in less immigrants go ahead.

But we are still going to be letting in more people from Asia than Europe.

Oh and do yourself a favour, go look at the number of immigrants. Then look at break downs of where they come from and how many are coming for jobs and how many are comming as families.

Also look at what you have to do to bring your family over.

If you really want to tighten the system after that, that is fine.

Right now your just uninformed and spouting rhetoric

'right' is spelled "write." I may be spouting rhetoric, but you're spouting virtually incomprehensible...something. I don't even know what your point is. You seem to both agree and disagree in every paragraph.

[stignasty]

To help pay off my student loans I took a summer job at a pretty unpleasant factory. There I met a woman from Panama who I found out was a University Professor who had written several books on sociology (one of which was translated and used in Canadian schools). She was happy to be in Canada and understood that there was a price to pay for her freedom. She planned to learn to speak English, take any classes that she needed and then continue her career. I think this is much more typical of professionals who come to this country than the taxi driver example that started this thread.

[guyser]

Hey, you trying to trick us mike? It used to be your MO to say that all immigrants were lazy and on welfare.

Now they work ? What gives ?

[daniel]

Hey, you trying to trick us mike? It used to be your MO to say that all immigrants were lazy and on welfare.

Now they work ? What gives ?

At least he wasn't complaining about their English.

I bet these doctor taxi drivers know how to use apostrophes and possessives.

[Moxie]

It's all very well to leap on the get-the-troglodyte pile in glee, but he's got a point. It's extremely questionable that we "need" 3rd world immigration, but it's certain we don't need busloads of economically useless 'family re-unification' immigrants. It's also certain that if we have fallen below replacement birthrate, that's a significant problem that ought to addressed at its source, not by using it as justification to look elsewhere. Someone else mentioned that it's not "fair" to give immigrants points for their education and then not allow them to use it, and there are two solutions to that...the PC one, which is of course to credit them with false equivalence, and the most obvious and least PC one, which is not to award points for useless degrees.

And another point...I'm sick unto death of the loudly proclaimed truism that one ought not to look at the changing racial and cultural makeup of this country and of the west in general. It's a herd of elephants sitting on the dining room table, and sooner or later they're going to get up and bring themselves sharply to our attention whether we like it or not. The idiotic piosity of studiously ignoring the subject lest one be considered a "racist" or a "bigot" is head-in-the-sandism of the highest order. The hear-nothing, see-nothing, say-nothing misconstruction of a Gandhiesque platitude seems to have taken over the collective brain of the west, and it's time reality intruded again. I think the thread on a new Chinese immigrant's party spoke volumes, with the usually suspects falling all over themselves to excuse what amounts to a racialist party. The ridiculous leaps of logic and conceptual gymnastics displayed in that thread may well, in the not too distant future, serve the twofold purpose of a cause for extinction and an elegy for the Northern European peoples.

Scot your words sum up how I feel Eggactly. Anyone who speaks out against immigration is a bigot and a racists these days. That's how the left attack progressive conversations regarding immigration. All Canadians deserve a say in the immigration process, it's our country and we have a right to speak out loud on it's future. Immigration is part of our future.

I could careless where are immigrants come from or the color of their skin what scares me is the "Cultural Practices" of our immigrants. Honour killings are taking place in Canada, the enforcement of Sharia Law on Muslim women, females being forced into enforced marrages, sexual mutilation, children being denied their legal rights under tribal Laws. I have no time or patience for the subjugation of females, it's high time we made it clear to male immigrants that they can leave their barbaric cultural practices at the airport. I've read hundreds of stories regarding females being prisoners in their own homes in the name of Allah, family honour visa vie hindu culture and Somalian Tribal Law. If these immigrants can't live under Canadian Laws and Canadian Culture get the hell out. Women in this country have already fought for equality and I for one will not tolerate male immigrants using the excuse "It's our Culture." Big deal, my ancestors use to abduct females from other clans to keep the gene pool clean. If a male scot did that today he'd be charged with kidnapping. This issue is often brushed aside by the socialist in Canada because they don't care about the suffering of female immigrants they just want the immigrant vote. It's beyond shameful to allow such suffering, can you image being a female immigrant and you believe that you are starting a new and free life only to have your husband rebuild the hell hole enclave that you fled? Think of that.

[NovaScotian]

There is a huge difference between what ScottAS is saying and Mikedavids00's racist rant.

[Argus]

Do you have any facts to back up this ridiculous assertion? How is making sure that immigrants don't take scarce jobs from Canadians supposed to put us in recession, much less an "endless future" of them?

So more jobs for immigrants means less jobs for Canadians?

That is what you think?

Your assertion that immigrants are an economic boon to Canada is not sustained by the facts. Even the government's own figures show that today's immigrants are performing much more poorly than immigrants did in the past. Far too many are in low-wage or no wage situations which means they cost us more in social services than we get back in taxes.

And another point...I'm sick unto death of the loudly proclaimed truism that one ought not to look at the changing racial and cultural makeup of this country and of the west in general. It's a herd of elephants sitting on the dining room table, and sooner or later they're going to get up and bring themselves sharply to our attention whether we like it or not. The idiotic piosity of studiously ignoring the subject lest one be considered a "racist" or a "bigot" is head-in-the-sandism of the highest order. The hear-nothing, see-nothing, say-nothing misconstruction of a Gandhiesque platitude seems to have taken over the collective brain of the west, and it's time reality intruded again. I think the thread on a new Chinese immigrant's party spoke volumes, with the usually suspects falling all over themselves to excuse what amounts to a racialist party. The ridiculous leaps of logic and conceptual gymnastics displayed in that thread may well, in the not too distant future, serve the twofold purpose of a cause for extinction and an elegy for the Northern European peoples.

Only a white person would right this.

In terms of culture I agree with you 100%.

This is Canada, people need to accept our values.

What does the 'racial makeup' matter?

Racial makeup would come into play because of the fact that we have done a piss-poor job of assimilating immigrants, most of whom are of different races. When you see an area with a large non-white population, what you are seeing is an area with a large population where traditional Canadian values may be largely absent. People from other races ie, third world people, are far, far slower to integrate than white people - ie, Europeans, because the gulf between our cultures is far greater than it would be for Europeans. Yes, this is all generalization but it's all generally true too. I have lived in areas where the majority of people were not Caucasian and "Canadians" were a distinct minority - regardless of what people's papers said.

[guyser]

Scot your words sum up how I feel Eggactly. Anyone who speaks out against immigration is a bigot and a racists these days.

Some around here are exactly that. It is not the immigrant that gets them going, it is the dirty smelly useless immigrant that they talk about. Some of these are thinly vieled attempts attacking the migrant , not the system that lets them in.

Half of immigrants have a degree....but we hear only about the "low lifes that come"

Immigrants , within 4 or 5 years of being here have a higher employment rate than the good old boy born here, but we only hear about the immigrants all being on welfare.

We hear about how grandma and granpa want to come live in Canada and get sponsored but then that gets twisted around as some drain on our health services and welfare rolls, instead of the fact that a sponsored person is not allowed to use those services and the sponsor must pay for living arrangements for ten years.

We know our employment rates are dropping and that the economy is in good shape, yet we hear about how the immigrant is a drain on resouces.....but the immigrant and the economy share a relationship. If the employment rates were dropping like a stone, we could consider 250,000 immigrants a year excessive, but they are not and we dont.

We hear how HIV people are being allowed in, yet posted today was a cite showing that Imm Can does not allow that to happen in "most" cases .

We hear about the poor spelling and writings of immigrants and how they cant get jobs, yet the post is full of errors and poor language.

So then that brings me to...............

That's how the left attack progressive conversations regarding immigration.

Yes blame the left. Blame the left for keeping the facts clear , or rather clearer in anticipation that someone somewhere can find AN example that does not jive with the above.

Honour killings are taking place in Canada, the enforcement of Sharia Law on Muslim women, females being forced into enforced marrages, sexual mutilation, children being denied their legal rights under tribal Laws. I have no time or patience for the subjugation of females, it's high time we made it clear to male immigrants that they can leave their barbaric cultural practices at the airport.

Killings take place in CDA all the time. But rarely have I ever heard of honour killings , with the exception of one of the immigrant communities in BC . I live in the highest density pop of immigrants in this country, Toronto, and I dont recall any of that.

Sharia law is not law at all in this country.

As for subjugation, no one wants that, immigrant or not.

If these immigrants can't live under Canadian Laws and Canadian Culture get the hell out. Women in this country have already fought for equality and I for one will not tolerate male immigrants using the excuse "It's our Culture."

They do in fact live under CDN law . What ever made you think they didn't?

Saying "It's our culture" in court , along with a $1.50 might get you a cup of coffee. Certainly nothing else.

Reform immigration? Sure, get rid of the backlog, get the ones out that have been deemed by the court to be undesireable out , make some better assessments with whom we allow , are all reasonable requests.

And considering that , IMO, 95% of all immigrants live in Montreal , Toronto and Vancouver, I find a lot of the hand wringing unnecessary.

TO would not be TO without all that the immigrants have brought. Italians virtually built this city (course paid by the wasps) Pride of the Danforth is a huge Greek festival that attracts hundreds of thousands. Chinese New Year is a huge cash cow for many businesses and a huge fund raiser for the citys migrants.

The restaraunts, the specialty shops, skilled trades people, the kids born here to immigrants all contribute a hell of a lot and make this country better.

[Argus]

There is a huge difference between what ScottAS is saying and Mikedavids00's racist rant.

Only in level of sophistication. Mikedavid tends to put things baldly, and from the heart, without much interest in exceptions or gray areas or subtlety.

What's a racist? A real racist is someone who actively despises others simply because of the colour of their skin. I don't get that impression about mikedavid. I see him as someone who is truly frustrated and angry at the changing makeup of Canada, doesn't like it, doesn't understand why it's happening, and sees newcomers being gifted with special treatment he doesn't benefit from.

Let's face a single important fact: The immigration system has been badly broken for decades. Everyone I talk to, of whatever political stripe, admits it. No one defends the system. No one thinks it is bringing in the best immigrants we can get. No one thinks we're doing a good job of settling those immigrants we get properly.

I grew up in a homogeneous society. I never saw a none-white person until high school, where I met a Lebanese. I didn't know what he was. Arab? What the hell was that? Now look at Canada. In many urban centres if you go to a public school you'll find non-whites - virtually all of whom are either immigrants or the children of immigrants - outnumber the Whites (Canadians). Public schools are a united nations polyglot of wildly different cultures and values. Now some people like that sort of thing. But many people don't.

And no one ever asked us if we wanted Canada to become like this. No one ever held a referendum, or put it to the residents that oh by the way, we're going to let in so many foreigners from the third world over the coming generation that Toronto will be more than 50% immigrant, and that more than half the kids in your child's classroom will be immigrants.

When the Liberals loosened immigration controls to allow immigrants from non-traditional countries no one ever suggested the immense numbers which would be coming, and the lack of effort which would be put into integrating them. When some people made dire predictions about how this would change our society, and that whites might one day be outnumbered they were sneered at and derided as paranoid loonies.

Well no one mocks the idea now. And what does it matter what colour the skin is? It doesn't, but it does.

Let me introduce Bob, and Abdul. Bob and Abdul have very dark brown skin. Their ancestry is a mixture of South America and northern Africa. Bob and Abdul are as Canadian as you could hope. Both are highly educated and completely assimilated. They are what immigration should produce. Sadly, to most Canadians, they are a distinct minority, no pun intended. The tidal wave of immigration which has entered Canada over the past twenty five years has added millions of non-Canadians from largely non-technological, and unsophisticated, backward cultures to Canada. Every urban slum is filled with them. Every criminal street gang is filled with them. Welfare rolls are filled with them. Are there successful, educated immigrants who are a boon to Canada? Of course! But all too many are not. We took in far too many immigrants, and still are, who we never should have accepted.

Canada can afford to pick and choose only the very best, and we never have. We could easily cut our immigration by two thirds, take only the cream of the crop, and make up for our low birth rate with ample room to spare. There is no economic or sociological reason for us to continue to import hundreds of thousands of third world people every year, and every reason for us to stop - except one - political.

The elites, the class of elites, the opinion makers, still regard immigration as sacrosanct, and any discussion on limiting it as heresy. The elites, of course, never see the slums, never encounter the crime, the overcrowding on public transit, the difficulties in schools overpopulated with people from third world countries with poor language skills. Nor do they care. They're in pursuit of votes, or of some kind of feel-good cosmopolitanism which makes them feel sophisticated, or assuaging their white liberal guilt. They're the kind of people that pose for a picture in front of an Indian in full regalia without a second's worry about the crappy life that Indian and his people probably are leading. They're happy he's "retained his culture" and is quaintly different in his native costume and beliefs.

Of course, they'd feel differently if a few hundred such people wanted to move into their condo.

So Canada plods along with its ridiculous immigration system which benefits almost no one other than corporations which can hire cheap labour, and ethnic groups grow larger and better able to hold themselves seperate from the Canadian mainstream, with their own cultural pillars, schools, religious institutions, community halls, newspapers, magazines, shops, theatres, television and radio stations, and Canadians like mikedavid see all this and grow more and more bitter at the way everything has changed - for the worse, in many instances - and without anyone so much as consulting him.

Is this what Canadians wanted? If Canadians had been consulted thirty years back, would they have looked at this and said "This is good"? I know the answer to that. I know that if Canadians in 1970 had a look at Canadian cities today and were asked to vote on immigration there'd scarcely be a single vote not to end immigration. But nobody asked them.

And nobody is asking them today.

What will Canada be like in another twenty five years with this continuing tidal wave of immigration? What will happen to our cultural values as we take in more and more people whose beliefs are contrary to our own? Anyone know? Anyone care? Certainly not your government, nor the simpering elites who make up the incestuous group of politicians, academia, the media and the arts.

[ScottSA]

Is this what Canadians wanted? If Canadians had been consulted thirty years back, would they have looked at this and said "This is good"? I know the answer to that. I know that if Canadians in 1970 had a look at Canadian cities today and were asked to vote on immigration there'd scarcely be a single vote not to end immigration. But nobody asked them.

And nobody is asking them today.

Couldnta said it better myself. Bravo.

Unlike you, I grew up in India, a multicultural society that suffered riots, burnings, and killings as a matter of course between ethnicities and religions, and they didn't even have the issue of color to deal with. We have so far been able to maintain a facade of nicety about the "mosaic" of "vibrant" "diversity" and all the associated marketing tripe that's always appended to those cute pictures of kids, carefully posed to make sure there's a representative from each hue and color, and that they're all basking in the glow of each other's smiles. But where are they in reality? Somewhere along the line they forgot to learn each other's language, forgot to live in each other's neighbourhoods, and forgot to show any interest whatsoever in knowing each other.

So far, because of the afterglow of European culture and social hegemony and its associated wealth, we've managed to grimace at each other in a semblance of acceptance, if not friendship, but what's going to happen at the first serious economic downturn, when folks start looking around at who to blame? Islam is just the tip of the iceberg.

Argus is right...it's the floodgates that have caused this, along with a blind faith in the new humanist religion of multiculturalism; a faith that somehow all will be well if only we hope hard enough, and in spite of clear evidence to the contrary. And Argus is right about something else...there is absolutely no difference between what I said and what Mikedavid said...just because someone throws in a few big fancy words and avoids others doesn't somehow make the sentiment more valid. I don't know if Phd's drive taxis, but that's not really the point. TO wouldn't be what it is without immigrants as someone said? What does that mean? That there wouldn't be all those "colourful street festivals" and lovely "cuisine?" Because something else there wouldn't be is flying lead, Asian street gangs and ghettos full of folks just waiting till they get enough critical mass to start weilding political power. I shudder for the future of the west in its lemminglike race to the cliff.