jbg Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 This former President has violated his oath of office, and his oath of human decency. A truly disgusting and bankrupt performance. Link to article, excerpts below: Carter Blasts US Policy on Palestinians By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: June 20, 2007 Filed at 4:43 a.m. ET DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) -- Former President Jimmy Carter accused the U.S., Israel and the European Union on Tuesday of seeking to divide the Palestinian people by reopening aid to President Mahmoud Abbas' new government in the West Bank while denying the same to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip. Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who was addressing a human rights conference in Ireland, also said the Bush administration's refusal to accept Hamas' 2006 election victory was ''criminal.'' Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with Abbas' moderate Fatah movement. ****** During his speech to Ireland's annual Forum on Human Rights, the 83-year-old former president said monitors from his Carter Center observed the 2006 election that Hamas won. He said the vote was ''orderly and fair'' and Hamas triumphed, in part, because it was ''shrewd in selecting candidates,'' whereas a divided, corrupt Fatah ran multiple candidates for single seats. Far from encouraging Hamas' move into parliamentary politics, Carter said the U.S. and Israel, with European Union acquiescence, sought to subvert the outcome by shunning Hamas and helping Abbas to keep the reins of political and military power. ''That action was criminal,'' he said in a news conference after his speech. ''The United States and Israel decided to punish all the people in Palestine and did everything they could to deter a compromise between Hamas and Fatah,'' he said. Carter said the U.S. and others supplied the Fatah-controlled security forces in Gaza with vastly superior weaponry in hopes they would ''conquer Hamas in Gaza'' -- but Hamas routed Fatah in the fighting last week because of its ''superior skills and discipline.'' Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Peter F Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 This former President has violated his oath of office, and his oath of human decency. A truly disgusting and bankrupt performance. Link to article, excerpts below: but...but, he's right! Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
buffycat Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 How is this seditious or treasonous? Is the US not funding Fatah? Do you know who Muhammed Dahlan is? You might want to take a look at this fellow, no wonder many Palestinians don't like him much, nor the Quisling Abbas. IMO the biggest mistake was to ignore Hamas and cut off all aid to the PA back in 2006. (Note: previous to her election to the office of the PA Hamas had just completed a year of ceasefire - yet at the same time Israel still launched her incursions and flights and raids over Gaza and the WB). So, in your own words, and please without insult to my own character, how in the world is Carter treasonous or seditious for speaking the truth? Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
Black Dog Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 sedition: incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government treason: violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. Ironically, one of jbg's favourite running gags is to accuse Canadians of abusing the language... Quote
sharkman Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 His recent book was full of similar nonsense and now this. He's so desperate to make up for his term of disaster and the North Korea treaty fiasco, but by attacking the current administration, which former presidents never do, he is only sullying what's left of his own reputation. Quote
jazzer Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 . He's so desperate to make up for his term of disaster and the North Korea treaty fiasco, but by attacking the current administration, which former presidents never do, he is only sullying what's left of his own reputation. Maybe they don't criticise other presidents because there has yet to be one as destructive as Dubya. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted June 21, 2007 Report Posted June 21, 2007 u hahah. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jbg Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Posted June 22, 2007 sedition: incitement of discontent or rebellion against a governmenttreason: violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. Ironically, one of jbg's favourite running gags is to accuse Canadians of abusing the language... By conducting a "shadow foreign policy" Jimmy Carter is both seditious and treasonous. A prime example was his "negotiated" surrender, purportedly on behalf of the US, to NK back in 1994 on the nukes issue. Also, a deep tradition in our country is that ex-Presidents do not criticize sitting Presidents, especially on foreign soil. Carter has done both. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted June 22, 2007 Report Posted June 22, 2007 By conducting a "shadow foreign policy" Jimmy Carter is both seditious and treasonous. A prime example was his "negotiated" surrender, purportedly on behalf of the US, to NK back in 1994 on the nukes issue.Also, a deep tradition in our country is that ex-Presidents do not criticize sitting Presidents, especially on foreign soil. Carter has done both. In more advanced nations the political opposition all conduct shadow foreign policy, shadow defense policy, shadow everything.... It gives the elctorate an opportunity to see whether the oppositions ideas are commendable or contempable. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Posted June 22, 2007 In more advanced nations the political opposition all conduct shadow foreign policy, shadow defense policy, shadow everything....It gives the elctorate an opportunity to see whether the oppositions ideas are commendable or contempable. A shadow Cabinet is one thing. Having the Foreign Affairs critic actually running around the world, cutting deals is another. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted June 22, 2007 Report Posted June 22, 2007 By conducting a "shadow foreign policy" Jimmy Carter is both seditious and treasonous. A prime example was his "negotiated" surrender, purportedly on behalf of the US, to NK back in 1994 on the nukes issue. Surrender? You're hilarious. Quote
jbg Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Posted June 22, 2007 By conducting a "shadow foreign policy" Jimmy Carter is both seditious and treasonous. A prime example was his "negotiated" surrender, purportedly on behalf of the US, to NK back in 1994 on the nukes issue.Surrender? You're hilarious.It would be hilarious if it were funny. However, NK got the carrot first, i.e. oil that it needed, with the (later broken) promise to denuclearize. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted June 22, 2007 Report Posted June 22, 2007 It would be hilarious if it were funny. However, NK got the carrot first, i.e. oil that it needed, with the (later broken) promise to denuclearize. Hm. Something tells me there's a few facts missing from your narrative. For instance how was private citizen Jimmy Carter able to negotiate a deal on behalf of the U.S. government? If Carter was, as some have suggested, an officially (though tacitly) sanctioned representative of the U.S., his work can scarce be called part of a "shadow foreign policy." Rather, it would be part of the actual foreign policy of the government of the day and thus, by definition, neither seditious or treasonous. Quote
jbg Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Posted June 22, 2007 But if Carter was off on a frolic of his own, the President, being of the same party, faced an embarrassing dilemna; allow negotiations to proceed, even if utterly improper, or declare Mr. Carter, private citizen, a renegade. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
B. Max Posted June 23, 2007 Report Posted June 23, 2007 Cater is becoming more loonie every day. Toss him in a rubber room and throw away the key. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 25, 2007 Report Posted June 25, 2007 In more advanced nations the political opposition all conduct shadow foreign policy, shadow defense policy, shadow everything.... It gives the elctorate an opportunity to see whether the oppositions ideas are commendable or contempable. A shadow Cabinet is one thing. Having the Foreign Affairs critic actually running around the world, cutting deals is another. Any deals he makes are shadow deals. Seriously, are they ratified by congress? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Mad_Michael Posted June 25, 2007 Report Posted June 25, 2007 This former President has violated his oath of office, and his oath of human decency. A truly disgusting and bankrupt performance. By running with this RNC talking point, you lose all credibility from my perspective. Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who was addressing a human rights conference in Ireland, also said the Bush administration's refusal to accept Hamas' 2006 election victory was ''criminal.'' Indeed. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 25, 2007 Report Posted June 25, 2007 But if Carter was off on a frolic of his own, the President, being of the same party, faced an embarrassing dilemna; allow negotiations to proceed, even if utterly improper, or declare Mr. Carter, private citizen, a renegade. Ah, so Jimmy Carter shaped U.S. policy? Hogwash. The choices were pretty much as I set them down., Either Carter was there with Clinton's approval or he wasn't. If the former, he was acting as an agent of the government and cannot therefore be said to be working to undermine it as you charge. If the latter, Clinton was free to say that Carter was acting as a private citizen and not in any formal, state-approved capacity. Hardly much of a dilemna. Quote
jbg Posted June 26, 2007 Author Report Posted June 26, 2007 Any deals he makes are shadow deals.Seriously, are they ratified by congress? Not sure on that one. Too tired to jump on nytimes.com or google. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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