Kosovo-why so important to the US? geopolitically speaking

[bush_cheney2004]

...The graves are there, they are real, women were raped, villages burned to the ground. What else do we need?

Indeed....there is no better cover story than "protecting human rights", especially for Canadians.

We led the way in Suez, so why didn't we know better than to be led into a flagrant violation of international law, asks James Bissett, Canada's former ambassador to Yugoslavia...

Canada's participation in this undeclared war against a sovereign state was carried out without public awareness or debate in Parliament. The bombing was conducted without the approval of the United Nations Security Council and was a direct violation not only of the UN Charter but also of Article 1 of the NATO Treaty itself, which requires NATO to settle any international dispute by peaceful means and to refrain from the threat or use of force, "in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations." Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy and Defence Minsiter Art Eggleton have assured us this flagrant violation of international law was necessary to stop ethnic cleansing and human-rights violations against the Albanian population of Kosovo.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a387a2ce42b2c.htm

[myata]

Why do I so strongly suspect that when that ...., you were in the forefront ...

Thought of asking your psychoanalyst?

Or maybe, in addition to your other talents you were also given the sight?

[ScottSA]

All a conspiracy M. Dancer, done by the Muslim media to encourage the US to support Jihad there. Duhh!!

This one fits in right below false flag terror ops in the list of kookiness, with an added topping of racism.

The graves are there, they are real, women were raped, villages burned to the ground. What else do we need?

Don't be an idiot. Before and during the war there were supposed to be 100,000 - 200,000 civilians allegedly killed and planted in "mass graves." Almost a decade later, they have managed to uncover less than 1000, most of who turned out to be combatants buried in battlefield graves. Read Momo's article again, slowly, aware that there are a few holes in it. Do you see the words "civilian" anywhere in connection with the mass graves? How come no one talked about these piles of bodies behind every bush that we were supposed to find as soon as the war ended? What happened? 800 is about the harvest from a good week of Muslim atrocities in Iraq, or two weeks in Indonesia, but I didn't see Clinton bombing the Musselman, did you?

Here's what we were all told to expect: Link

Morris' link tells you what we found.

Really, read up on things before you spout off.

[myata]

Patently false for Kosovo...during Allied Force, there were special forces troops on the ground to paint targets for laser guided bombs...none were authorized by the UN.

While where were some troops deployed near the border, I know of no reference to the facts you mentioned. Unless you referred to Holliwood movies, of course.

And even if it were proven to be true, it's not the same (by scale, role and the objective) as the full invasion on the ground as in Iraq.

So you are "okay" with illegal bombing campaigns that kill thousands,

What are your sources? This article only lists around 500 civilian casualties as the high estimate.

I'd rather have it that it was authorized by the UN. However in the absense of such authorization and with ongoing unilateral agressive action by Serbia, a limited police operation with the objective to only stop the offensive (and not take the control of the country as in Iraq) could be accepted as justifiable. As you see, many events in this situation make it quite different from Iraq.

[Sulaco]

I think its safe to say anytime the US takes an interest in a country, it wants something back, either its natural resources or land for military headquarters in the region!!!

Or something even less sensational like regional stability?

FRY had the potential to escalate ionto a wider regional european war drawing in nations like Albania and greece to the south and Hungary to the north. On top of that the refugee problem was critical. NATO or the UN should have drawn theline when FRY tried to invade Slovenia, they should have drawn the line after Croatia......that is their shame.....but that doesn't mean that failling to draw ther line that they never should have afterwards......as I said earlier.....Montenegro and Macedonia are still peaceful, mainly because of NATO and the UN.

As always I agree. As always I miss the part were you reasonably distinguish intevention in the Balkans from intervention in Iraq.

[Sulaco]

All a conspiracy M. Dancer, done by the Muslim media to encourage the US to support Jihad there. Duhh!!

This one fits in right below false flag terror ops in the list of kookiness, with an added topping of racism.

The graves are there, they are real, women were raped, villages burned to the ground. What else do we need?

Don't be an idiot. Before and during the war there were supposed to be 100,000 - 200,000 civilians allegedly killed and planted in "mass graves." Almost a decade later, they have managed to uncover less than 1000, most of who turned out to be combatants buried in battlefield graves. Read Momo's article again, slowly, aware that there are a few holes in it. Do you see the words "civilian" anywhere in connection with the mass graves? How come no one talked about these piles of bodies behind every bush that we were supposed to find as soon as the war ended? What happened? 800 is about the harvest from a good week of Muslim atrocities in Iraq, or two weeks in Indonesia, but I didn't see Clinton bombing the Musselman, did you?

Here's what we were all told to expect: Link

Morris' link tells you what we found.

Really, read up on things before you spout off.

Hmm... Kosovo was a quick intervention. Bosnia was the pattern that the US picked to predict likely outcomes of further Serb intervention in a region where the native population was viewed as something less than the Serbs.

As predictions go it wasn't very irrational. Certainly no less irrational than predictions that Saddam would continue kjilling thousands per year if he were to remain in power.

[kuzadd]

I think its safe to say anytime the US takes an interest in a country, it wants something back, either its natural resources or land for military headquarters in the region!!!

Or something even less sensational like regional stability?

FRY had the potential to escalate ionto a wider regional european war drawing in nations like Albania and greece to the south and Hungary to the north. On top of that the refugee problem was critical. NATO or the UN should have drawn theline when FRY tried to invade Slovenia, they should have drawn the line after Croatia......that is their shame.....but that doesn't mean that failling to draw ther line that they never should have afterwards......as I said earlier.....Montenegro and Macedonia are still peaceful, mainly because of NATO and the UN.

actually, the US would more accuratley be after regional INSTABILITY, that could be exploited to there advantage.

[kuzadd]

Warning: Michael Savage is the most exciting and controversial radio host in America. The views expressed here are his own. Certified liberals and politically correct individuals should proceed with caution.

This warning does not do justice to the name in question.

This Michael Savage has a long history of publishing lies. A few minutes of Google can demonstrate the man's extreme neocon views and history of 'playing fast and loose' with facts.

what Michael savage is is a republican talking head, he keeps the 'repubs' supporters on track, since at the time it was a democratic prez, he has to keep the 'supporters' in line,( sufficiently wound up against) so he writes this piece, to do just that. Putting the appropriate spin on it of course. (attacking "socialists" and "liberals")spin, spin, spin.

His basic facts are solid, from my reading.

"How do I know that the Kosovo action was about oil or, to be exact, about establishing a safe haven for an oil pipeline? Just recently Bill Clinton signed an historic agreement with Azerbaijan on this very matter. Azerbaijan is one of the former Soviet republics that became a separate country with the breakup of the USSR. Formerly, Caspian oil would have come into the world market as a Soviet export but not anymore. It now comes under the flag of this newly independent nation via Turkey where it is transshipped by way of Turkish seaports. And Russia has been deftly unlinked from the world oil market."

trans-balkan pipeline.

when it comes to US interests , the policy especially foreign is ALWAYS the same, wether it is dem or repub.

Savages purpose is to manipulate the dupes, the repub dupes in this case.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'd rather have it that it was authorized by the UN. However in the absense of such authorization and with ongoing unilateral agressive action by Serbia, a limited police operation with the objective to only stop the offensive (and not take the control of the country as in Iraq) could be accepted as justifiable. As you see, many events in this situation make it quite different from Iraq.

Oh..in other words, you were wrong about the troops and it is OK to illegally attack a sovereign nation when you agree with the objective.