jdobbin Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories A veteran Conservative MP from Nova Scotia is considering voting against his government's 2007 budget over the attempt to cancel the Atlantic Accord on offshore resources."I believe there's been a mistake in the budget," Bill Casey told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live on Monday. "There's an agreement between the government of Canada and government of Nova Scotia ... that makes certain obligations to the province of Nova Scotia, and the budget makes changes to that." Those changes effectively killed the Atlantic Accord and could cost his province anywhere between $500 million and $1 billion, he said. So, should the Tories evict this obvious leftist? Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 They could let him vote thus ensuring his re-election and continued tory support in the east.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted June 5, 2007 Author Report Posted June 5, 2007 They could let him vote thus ensuring his re-election and continued tory support in the east.... They should but the talk on CBC was that he might be tossed from caucus for it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 They could let him vote thus ensuring his re-election and continued tory support in the east.... They should but the talk on CBC was that he might be tossed from caucus for it. That would be the traditional response to caucus member voting on a confidence bill..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shakeyhands Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 Hold on, hold on, hold on... Are you guys saying that a real life CPC MP said something? Getouttatown!!!!!! He'll be thrown out of caucus for daring to disent. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
M.Dancer Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 Hold on, hold on, hold on... Are you guys saying that a real life CPC MP said something? Getouttatown!!!!!!He'll be thrown out of caucus for daring to disent. point.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
madmax Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 I think the Conservatives are going to address the issue. It appears that this MP is standing up for his province. Almost a Reformist attitude for a Tory. I sometimes wonder what has happened to the Reform element in the Conservatives. Regardless I think the other two Conservative MPs are going to be looking bad electorally if they don't back their Province. So the Conservatives are going to have to do some fancing dancing or risk being persona non grata in the east. McKay doesn't need help losing his seat, but something like this may just put it in the hands of the opposition, oh yeah, no Liberal running. Brilliant Idea Quote
gc1765 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 Does this mean that Danny Williams was right all along, if one of the Conservatives' own MPs is against this deal? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Fortunata Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 It's a tough position to be in. Either he votes with the Steve's, stays in caucus but chances losing his seat in the next election or he votes against thereby almost guaranteeing re-election but as what? as Steve will surely toss him out. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 5, 2007 Report Posted June 5, 2007 It's a tough position to be in. Either he votes with the Steve's, stays in caucus but chances losing his seat in the next election or he votes against thereby almost guaranteeing re-election but as what? as Steve will surely toss him out. My vibe is Casey will eventually be brought on side. He definitely won't vote against the budget and stay in Caucus. Harper doesn't really want to lose a member of caucus. Maybe he pulls another Garth Turner -- Wajid Khan switcheroo to keep the numbers where they are. Jean and Paul didn't allow people voting against confidence bills to stay in Caucus. Stephané won't either, *IF* he ever is in power. Casey has been an MP for 12 or 13 years and is 62 years old. In line for a big fat pension... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 The Globe and Mail is reporting that Casey has been booted from caucus: Link "OTTAWA — A Nova Scotia MP has been booted from the Conservative caucus after voting against budget legislation that he says will cost his province as much as a billion dollars." Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 This isn't a very good strategic move for the Conservatives, IMO. Standing up to the government is sure to increase anyone's popularity among their constituents. The Conservatives won this seat pretty easily last time, but with someone else running and the fallout from this broken promise...who knows, they might not win it. Then again, I wonder how much longer he was planning on staying in politics anyways. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 Wow, I can't believe Casey went through with it. Don't blame Harper for booting him. We'll see if he crosses to the Liberals or sits out his days as an independent. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Posted June 6, 2007 This isn't a very good strategic move for the Conservatives, IMO. Standing up to the government is sure to increase anyone's popularity among their constituents. The Conservatives won this seat pretty easily last time, but with someone else running and the fallout from this broken promise...who knows, they might not win it.Then again, I wonder how much longer he was planning on staying in politics anyways. What were some of the righties here saying when Dion tossed out his MP for voting for the budget? Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 What were some of the righties here saying when Dion tossed out his MP for voting for the budget? Thanks for the vote random Liberal backbencher whose name will soon be was quickly forgotten. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
cybercoma Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 A politician standing up for what's right for his/her constituency? Unheard of! This is fantastic news. This means that maybe...just maybe there's hope for politics yet. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Posted June 6, 2007 The Tory machine is now gearing up and has been trashing Casey tonight in some of the news shows. They say he supported the budget and have the quotes to prove it. Casey said that MacKay told him he wouldn't be kicked out. Guess that proved to be wrong. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home But Mr. Casey seemed less certain that he would be kicked out of the party.“I'm still a Conservative,” he said. “Peter MacKay said they wouldn't throw anybody out of the caucus if they voted their conscience on (the budget bill). Although the Whip just gave me a little different message a minute ago.” Last month, Mr. MacKay told the House: “We will not throw a member out of caucus for voting his conscience. There will be no whipping, flipping, hiring or firing on budget votes as we saw with the Liberal government.” Guess MacKay is a big liar...again. Another Tory broken promise. Quote
gc1765 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 Last month, Mr. MacKay told the House: “We will not throw a member out of caucus for voting his conscience. There will be no whipping, flipping, hiring or firing on budget votes as we saw with the Liberal government.” His first mistake was trusting that liar MacKay It's not as if this is the first time he has lied. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Catchme Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 Wow, the CPC, or rather Harper, really knows how to keep a party together. Lie to them, then kick em out for actually representing their constituents. and all when you have a bare minimum minority government Mackay is gone in Central Nova now for sure, if not every CPC seat in the Martitimes. After the fiasco of Harper in Europe this week, and the soft wood lumber debacle, CPC seats in BC will be toasted off. Maybe he thinks his photo op with the French President will score him points in PQ, if so, I guess they forgot to figure out PQers do not like the results of the French election. So that leaves AB and ON, and it doesn't look good for more seats in ON. The polls have seemed to stop now there is no time this summer for an election and Harper has resigned himself to the fact he could not possibly get even another minority. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Michael Bluth Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 Another Tory broken promise. Yes, I remember those campaign promises. Wasn't that the sixth priority? Not kicking out an MP who votes against the Government on a confidence vote? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Cameron Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 This was a third reading of the budget. A question for Mr. Casey...why vote against it now when you previously voted for it, twice? Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
Michael Bluth Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 This was a third reading of the budget. A question for Mr. Casey...why vote against it now when you previously voted for it, twice? And publicly supported it. What changed his mind? Did he honestly think he wouldn't get kicked out of caucus for it? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Posted June 6, 2007 His first mistake was trusting that liar MacKay It's not as if this is the first time he has lied. The Tories are using Casey's quotes to take him down. Problem is that MacKay's quotes take the Tories down as well. Quote
geoffrey Posted June 6, 2007 Report Posted June 6, 2007 Wow, the CPC, or rather Harper, really knows how to keep a party together. Lie to them, then kick em out for actually representing their constituents. and all when you have a bare minimum minority government What the hell are you talking about? Every party kicks out anyone that dissents on a confidence motion. That's how the parlimentary system works. It's not like the Liberals have ever kicked anyone out! http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/11/18/...rish041118.html Parrish just criticised the leader, didn't even have to vote before she got the boot! Comuzzi got the boot after siding with the CPC on a budget, didn't even vote against his party. A quote from your dear leader: "He's not any more part of the caucus,'' Dion said after a caucus meeting. "A vote on the budget, like a vote on a throne speech, is a vote of confidence. You cannot vote against the caucus on it.'' Link: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories You have a serious issue with reality Catchme. You see things only your way... it's a major contributor to the irrational nonsense flying around the boards these days. Mackay is gone in Central Nova now for sure, if not every CPC seat in the Martitimes. To who? The Liberals gave up their candidate there. Mackay will win. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted June 6, 2007 Author Report Posted June 6, 2007 This was a third reading of the budget. A question for Mr. Casey...why vote against it now when you previously voted for it, twice? Yes, these are the talking points that have come from Tory headquarters. Casey has said he voted for the budget because he was told that something else was coming for Nova Scotia that would be better. That hasn't happened and it looks like the Atlantic Accord remains the better deal for Nova Scotia. He said he couldn't vote for the budget based on a better deal that might may never come to exist prior to the next election. Quote
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