Veteran Tory MP Might Vote Against

Michael Bluth · June 8, 2007

Don't agree with your comments. Link Source? You makin this stuff up? That links not good enough. Find another one!

Are you stalking me? heh

It's good that you see what a joke your false claims of stalking are.

If you could only see how hurtful they are you might see the light to offering an apology. But I'm not counting on it. :rolleyes:

Fortunata · June 8, 2007

"They said: 'We don't have it on paper yet.' They were putting the pressure on me not to do it and I just had to leave. They locked the door. They wouldn't let me out. I told them: open the door. They did and I left."

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/070605/n0605164A.html

This is the Con's idea of a democratic process? Good Gawd, what next from this bunch of clowns.

Who's Doing What? · June 8, 2007

It's good that you see what a joke your false claims of stalking are.
If you could only see how hurtful they are you might see the light to offering an apology. But I'm not counting on it.

Holy crap!

I almost choked on my beer when I read this.

Hurtful?!?

Are you serious????

What a double standard you wield.

Who's Doing What? · June 8, 2007

"They said: 'We don't have it on paper yet.' They were putting the pressure on me not to do it and I just had to leave. They locked the door. They wouldn't let me out. I told them: open the door. They did and I left."

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/national/070605/n0605164A.html

This is the Con's idea of a democratic process? Good Gawd, what next from this bunch of clowns.

They wouldn't let him out!?!

Nothing like some forceful confinement to try and bring someone around to your point of view.

jdobbin · June 8, 2007

Holy crap!
I almost choked on my beer when I read this.

Hurtful?!?

Are you serious????

What a double standard you wield.

This is kind of funny. I'm sorry to the poster who feels so ignored that they post immediately after my posts. I apologize that that they are so obsessive.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

This is kind of funny. I'm sorry to the poster who feels so ignored that they post immediately after my posts. I apologize that that they are so obsessive.

When you post more than anybody else, it's bound to happen. Is every other poster here obsessive?

Or just the ones who don't share your hatred of Stephen Harper. :lol:

btw, nice little game erasing my quote from wdw?'s post. Nobody sees through that. :rolleyes:

"I have never seen a budget that has had more in it for the people of my riding than this one does," the Truro Daily News quoted Casey as saying on March 22.

So what happened in 2 1/2 months to make Casey do such an about face?

jdobbin · June 9, 2007

Oops, looks like another obsessive attack on me or Casey or both. I don't even need to see the message to know this. It is my Kreskin-like ability to see stalker activity manifested plainly.

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

So what happened in 2 1/2 months to make Casey do such an about face?

Could be Casey likes the rest of the budget. Could be Casey wants to keep his job. Could be Casey was promised by Steve and the minions that adjustments would be made. Could be lots of things.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

Could be Casey likes the rest of the budget. Could be Casey wants to keep his job. Could be Casey was promised by Steve and the minions that adjustments would be made. Could be lots of things.

You are right it could be a lot of things. Some legitimate. Some not. Doesn't the public at least deserve an explanation for Casey's about face?

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

You are right it could be a lot of things. Some legitimate. Some not. Doesn't the public at least deserve an explanation for Casey's about face?

I'd say yes. Truth is, though, Stevies might not really want to know if there is skullduggery attached to his decision. I mean, being locked in a room looks bad enough and if they do that sort of thing, who knows what else went on?

Do you think it was ok that they locked Casey in a room to intimidate him into changing his mind?

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

I'd say yes. Truth is, though, Stevies might not really want to know if there is skullduggery attached to his decision. I mean, being locked in a room looks bad enough and if they do that sort of thing, who knows what else went on?
Do you think it was ok that they locked Casey in a room to intimidate him into changing his mind?

Is that the reason they locked him in the room?

Should they have done it? Probably not.

Don't think will know the truth about any of it...

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

Is that the reason they locked him in the room?

I use the word intimidate, they probably would use the word "persuade". To me you don't lock someone up to persuade without intimidation. If he hadn't insisted to be let out to vote, they would have likely kept him there until the vote was over. That's not good optics.

Should they have done it? Probably not.

Probably? Probably? Come on, even the cheering gallery should be uncomfortable with that one. Has this ever happened before by any other party? This is too much.

geoffrey · June 9, 2007

Has this ever happened before by any other party?

Gaurnteed.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

Probably? Probably? Come on, even the cheering gallery should be uncomfortable with that one. Has this ever happened before by any other party? This is too much.

Absolutely guaranteed.

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

Absolutely guaranteed.

Proof?

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

Proof?

I've seen it done for nomination meetings. Yes, Liberal nomination meetings. Back in the 90s Liberals were competitive in a number of Alberta ridings.

You take Casey's word as proof. Will you take mine as proof or do I need to meet a higher standard?

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

Yeah, no ... I'll take Casey's word. I've seen you spin too much in Steve's favour regardless of merit, so proof please.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

Yeah, no ... I'll take Casey's word. I've seen you spin too much in Steve's favour regardless of merit, so proof please.

OK, show me Casey's proof and I'll provide exactly the same.

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

I wondered how you would weasel out of that one.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

I wondered how you would weasel out of that one.

By asking to be held to the same standard as Casey I am weaseling out?

So you admit there are two standards? A lower standard for those you agree with. And a higher standard for those you disagree with.

What an incredible standard of fairness you have.

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

I don't admit to any double standard. If Casey had grandstanded like Garth Turner I would have not taken him at his word. He didn't, he was calm and did not debase himself to gain attention; he did not turn on his party. He just accepted what had happened with grace and said he had to vote his conscience. That lends credibility to his story.

You on the other hand would justify anything the Steve government does because of partisanship and use that to dump on anyone who goes against them. Partisanship has it's place but fairness and honesty is more likely to make people believe.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

You on the other hand would justify anything the Steve government does because of partisanship and use that to dump on anyone who goes against them. Partisanship has it's place but fairness and honesty is more likely to make people believe.

So you believe I was being dishonest in saying locking people in a room is something that has been done by the Liberals as well?

It has been documented as having been done by Trudeau during the discussions leading to Constitution Act 1982.

Have you ever seen the nastiness surrounding a nomination meeting? Regardless of the party, if they are competitive in the riding it can get nasty pretty quickly.

Blocking people from entering rooms. Stuffing gum into the coin slot of payphones, pre-cellphone days. Lawn signs torn down and thrown away.

I saw a current Liberal Senator joking about having two ballots in his hand waiting in line to vote at a nomination meeting. 1993 election when a number of seats were actually in play for the Liberals in Alberta.

If you truly believe that fairness and honesty then honestly think about what I just posted. Politics is a nasty business. The nastiness isn't restricted to any one party. Talk to Liberals who are involved in the party. Talk to NDPers or Conservatives.

I've got friends from the three major parties. We know how it works and will talk about it in our private conversations.

Then tell me about fairnes and honesty.

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

I'm not talking about the Liberal party, I'm talking about one politician who hasn't had anything bad said about him by anyone in any party. I was very impressed that he didn't immediately turn on the Steve party and say nasty things about them. He showed integrity, class and dignity.

And I do concede you may be right about it happening before; however, you would be the first to call proof, cite, link if the situation were reversed.

I wasn't around in the Trudeau years and I do believe that politics is a nasty business; made nastier by Steve Harper who has shown himself to be just plain mean, evasive and has lied his way to where he now is. I don't really care who did it before him; from my years of political awareness, I have never seen the like of this.

Michael Bluth · June 9, 2007

I wasn't around in the Trudeau years and I do believe that politics is a nasty business; made nastier by Steve Harper who has shown himself to be just plain mean, evasive and has lied his way to where he now is. I don't really care who did it before him; from my years of political awareness, I have never seen the like of this.

Chretien was a pretty mean and nasty guy. Evidence, the Chretien-Martin feud.

When did your years of political awareness begin?

Fortunata · June 9, 2007

Chretien was a pretty mean and nasty guy. Evidence, the Chretien-Martin feud.

That was a personal feud; it wasn't nice but it was not like the Steve government treats our democratic process. As far as I am concerned he has brought this country to political lows and people just don't like it.

When did your years of political awareness begin?

You are probably suggesting that I am not politically aware and should not be posting, however, I do post and I do pay attention and I do have a pretty good grasp on what is going on. And I don't like what I see.