US a Theocratic State says Frank McKenna

[cybercoma]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics...68d793e&k=76500

[McKenna] referred to a current congressional investigation in Washington into whether partisan political and religious loyalties were used in the hiring and firing of U.S. attorneys and immigration judges. He also alluded to a report that 150 graduates of a Christian evangelical school have worked at the White House in recent years.

"It’s just a dramatically different mindset in the United States," McKenna said, contrasting U.S. and Canadian views on public health care, gun control, capital punishment, same-sex rights, abortion and relations with Cuba. Despite the differences, McKenna said Canadians need not feel threatened.

Does American theocracy make the world a safer place, or is it driving a wedge between people and nations?

[scribblet]

I certainly don't feel threatened, never have, and the U.S. is hardly a theocratic state, far from it.

The fact that there is a congressional investigation into this shows that it is not usual practice to choose by religious loyalties, and it is not condoned.

I don't see anyone changing their constitution either, and Bush certainly won't try it, he can't, he's outa there.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

This is all chicken little stuff from liberals who are doing nothing but trying to put the fear of God into everyone before the next election (pardon the pun).. Can't wait to hear how the Dominionists are out shopping to take over the world either.

[geoffrey]

Oh Frank, were did you go wrong?

I like how Frank condemns the US's Iraq invasion and sat on the board of Carlyle.

[kuzadd]

Mckenna has 'anger issues' is all.

lol

or he has been paying attention, to what has been going on, more likely.

[bush_cheney2004]

Does American theocracy make the world a safer place, or is it driving a wedge between people and nations?

Only if one is consumed by what Americans are doing in their churches. Norway has an official state religion...should the world tremble? Ontario still has remnants of state funded religion for Catholic schools....the world should be concerned?

Iran is a theocracy.....but no worry!

[fellowtraveller]

Frank passed on running for (and winning) the last Liberal leadership campaign. He is dragging out that old Liberal warhorse, anti-American sentiment.

Sounds like he is starting the new campaign already.

Does this mean the little background buzz about Dions unsuitability is more than rumour?

[Drea]

Iran is a theocracy.....but no worry!

Ah but they are not right next door!

LOL

The religious right has been running your country since Regan. Didn't you know that?

Now that Falwell is gone they have lost their voice so you guys just might get your country back if you work really hard on ousting the religies.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ah but they are not right next door!

LOL

The religious right has been running your country since Regan. Didn't you know that?

Now that Falwell is gone they have lost their voice so you guys just might get your country back if you work really hard on ousting the religies.

We never "lost our country", as all were and still are Americans. "Regan" was Treasury Secretary for President Reagan. But I know its hard keeping track of another nation while hardly knowing your own.

[Mad_Michael]

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics...68d793e&k=76500

[McKenna] referred to a current congressional investigation in Washington into whether partisan political and religious loyalties were used in the hiring and firing of U.S. attorneys and immigration judges. He also alluded to a report that 150 graduates of a Christian evangelical school have worked at the White House in recent years.

"It’s just a dramatically different mindset in the United States," McKenna said, contrasting U.S. and Canadian views on public health care, gun control, capital punishment, same-sex rights, abortion and relations with Cuba. Despite the differences, McKenna said Canadians need not feel threatened.

Does American theocracy make the world a safer place, or is it driving a wedge between people and nations?

No where in your quotes does it state that McKenna calls the USA a theocracy. That accuasation appears to be yours, not McKenna's.

[Drea]

We never "lost our country", as all were and still are Americans. "Regan" was Treasury Secretary for President Reagan. But I know its hard keeping track of another nation while hardly knowing your own.

You may have simply pointed out the spelling error.... but of course you couldn't do that -- that would be a sane thing to do and if you are a radical religie or a Bush supporter, you are certainly not sane.

Anyway any words on the actual issue or are you just wandering around the forum finding spelling errors?

Cheers!

[Leafless]

Ontario still has remnants of state funded religion for Catholic schools....the world should be concerned?

With taxpayers on the hook for one wad of cash.

"We know that public funding of the schools of a select religious persuasion is a human rights violation, but let's look at the monetary cost of such a practice. The Ontario government admits that, to maintain the Roman Catholic separate school system for one year costs taxpayers $200 million. Other bodies would claim a higher figure. Since there are approximately 200 school days per year, the cost amounts to $100 million for each school day. How else could we spend this money to greater advantage?"

http://www.renc.igs.net/~publiced/latest.html

Strange though, while Ontario funds all these French separate school boards based on religion, Quebec school funding is based on language and no longer religion.

[Leafless]

Iran is a theocracy.....but no worry!

Ah but they are not right next door!

LOL

The religious right has been running your country since Regan. Didn't you know that?

Now that Falwell is gone they have lost their voice so you guys just might get your country back if you work really hard on ousting the religies.

A theocracy means 'God's Government'.

The U.S. has made the world a safer place to live in and is not a full blown theocracy. I mean when is the last time you heard of anyone being beheaded in the U.S. for making fun of the president.

And besides, how as this affected U.S. democracy?

The U.S. is more democratic than Canada and maybe Canada can learn from this also.

And that is inner strength is the basis of man's salvation and is formed by the belief of a divine power and in the case of the U.S. and majority in Canada is Christianity.

The Canadian government should be acknowledging and promoting majority Christianity beliefs in Canada rather than allow people to dabble with useless and a lot of times damaging secularism leading people to make unwise and damaging decisions relating to ones personal life.

[Guest chilipeppers]

Iran is a theocracy.....but no worry!

Ah but they are not right next door!

LOL

The religious right has been running your country since Regan. Didn't you know that?

Now that Falwell is gone they have lost their voice so you guys just might get your country back if you work really hard on ousting the religies.

Are you for real? You really don't seem to know much about the U.S. you seem to make some pretty sweeping statements that do not fit reality.

Good point about Mckenna possibly looking to run again and stirring up latent (or not so latent) Canadian anti U.S. sentiment generally not based on reality LOL

[Drea]

I'm pretty sure I'm real -- I am sittin' here --- of course I could be a figment of your imagination LOL

[BC_chick]

The Canadian government should be acknowledging and promoting majority Christianity beliefs in Canada rather than allow people to dabble with useless and a lot of times damaging secularism leading people to make unwise and damaging decisions relating to ones personal life.

I agree. That'd be the final nail on the coffin for Harper.

[kuzadd]

a theocracy doesn't mean" God's government"

here's a number of defintions..........

# A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.

# A state so governed

#Government by divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.

#the belief in government by divine guidance

[jefferiah]

The US is not a theocracy. Put a conservative in office and all of a sudden everyone will accuse the government of being run by Bible-thumping nazis. They don't need proof. People just love to blow that one out of proportion sometimes.

[Leafless]

The Canadian government should be acknowledging and promoting majority Christianity beliefs in Canada rather than allow people to dabble with useless and a lot of times damaging secularism leading people to make unwise and damaging decisions relating to ones personal life.

I agree. That'd be the final nail on the coffin for Harper.

The way the countries headed down the tube relating to disheartening events and criminal acts connected with lack of morals, values and basic common sense, it could be the final nail in the coffin for secularist.

Harper acknowledges God whenever certain occasions arise.

[Leafless]

a theocracy doesn't mean" God's government"

here's a number of defintions..........

# A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.

# A state so governed

#Government by divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.

#the belief in government by divine guidance

It depends where you look.

"THEOCRACY - A species of government which claims to be immediately directed by God."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t086.htm

[bush_cheney2004]

You may have simply pointed out the spelling error.... but of course you couldn't do that -- that would be a sane thing to do and if you are a radical religie or a Bush supporter, you are certainly not sane.

Anyway any words on the actual issue or are you just wandering around the forum finding spelling errors?

Yes...if you cannot discern between the Treasury Secretary and President of a foreign country, perhaps you are also not qualified to declare it a theocracy since 1980.

Or we could be intellectually lazy like you and declare that Canada is a theocracy because of the Charter's Preamble:

"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"

Are the Blue Laws still keeping stores closed on Sunday?

[margrace]

I certainly don't feel threatened, never have, and the U.S. is hardly a theocratic state, far from it.

The fact that there is a congressional investigation into this shows that it is not usual practice to choose by religious loyalties, and it is not condoned.

I don't see anyone changing their constitution either, and Bush certainly won't try it, he can't, he's outa there.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

This is all chicken little stuff from liberals who are doing nothing but trying to put the fear of God into everyone before the next election (pardon the pun).. Can't wait to hear how the Dominionists are out shopping to take over the world either.

Good heavens do you never listen to any US television? For instance all the religious ballywho before the start of a Nase Car race.

[jefferiah]

What does NASCAR have to do with governance? American TV is not government controlled like up here, so if private networks feel ok about putting "religious ballywho" in their programming what is that to you?

[runningdog]

What does NASCAR have to do with governance? American TV is not government controlled like up here, so if private networks feel ok about putting "religious ballywho" in their programming what is that to you?

what does religion have to do with NASCAR? It seems like this is just another example of "feeding the sheep(le) more hay." Fox has the broadcast rights, no? No surprise to me if they do. Just wait until they start to chant the lords' prayer before hockey games.

[margrace]

What does NASCAR have to do with governance? American TV is not government controlled like up here, so if private networks feel ok about putting "religious ballywho" in their programming what is that to you?

what does religion have to do with NASCAR? It seems like this is just another example of "feeding the sheep(le) more hay." Fox has the broadcast rights, no? No surprise to me if they do. Just wait until they start to chant the lords' prayer before hockey games.

Oh Lord!!!!!

[normanchateau]

The Canadian government should be acknowledging and promoting majority Christianity beliefs in Canada rather than allow people to dabble with useless and a lot of times damaging secularism leading people to make unwise and damaging decisions relating to ones personal life.

Better still, the Canadian government should mete out Biblical punishments for violating religious rules written during the Bronze Age and Iron Age.

Leviticus 24:16 has just the right punishment for taking the Lord's name in vain. Exodus 31:15 suggests the identical punishment for working on the Sabbath. How about exactly the same penalty in Exodus 21:17 for cursing at one's father or mother? Let's forget about secular law and use the New Testament, the Old Testament and for Muslims, the Koran. After all, people were so much wiser in the Bronze Age before the era of science and reason.