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[BC_chick]

Michael, look on this forum. Every single xenophobe identifies as conservative.

Albeit, they are a minority of the conservatives on the forum, but they are unanimously a supporter of the CPC.

[scribblet]

However, all I've been trying to say all along, is that as an visible-minority, pardon me for stating that I am not comfortable joining hands with a group who attracts vast number of people who do not want to see me in this country.

That's really off-base.

It's not an outright lie, because I'm sure you have never been to a CPC meeting.

There aren't "vast numbers" of people who don't want to see visible minorities in the country.

At any given meeting the number of visible minorities will vastly outnumber the died in the wool racists.

Right on! and more than way off base and definitely wrong in her assumptions and accusations; wonder what her definition of xenophobe is and if there are any, how they are CPC . Did they all put up their hands and say hey - I'm a xenophobe and support the CPC. Wow, nothing like stereotyping a whole group of people with baseless accusations. I havn't read all the threads on here but I can honestly say I havn't read one post that I would call zenophobic.

This is definitely a tactic of the left...

Definition of a racist - a liberal on the losing end of a debate

[BC_chick]

Point me to one and I'll gladly apologise. Meanwhile, I could start with the names if you'd like.

[gc1765]

Wow, nothing like stereotyping a whole group of people with baseless accusations....

...

This is definitely a tactic of the left...

the hypocrisy of that statement is way too funny

[Michael Bluth]

Point me to one and I'll gladly apologise. Meanwhile, I could start with the names if you'd like.

Please provide the name of every self-identified Conservative/racist here and a link to one of their Conservative/racist posts please.

[BC_chick]

Self-admitted xenophobes who are conservatives.... scriblett for one. ScottSA, Argus, and mikedavid.

Your turn to name some non-conservative xenophobes.

[Michael Bluth]

Self-admitted xenophobes who are conservatives.... scriblett for one. ScottSA, Argus, and mikedavid.

Your turn to name some non-conservative xenophobes.

and a link to one of their Conservative/racist posts?

[gc1765]

and a link to one of their Conservative/racist posts?

I'll start things off with one example: Link

[BC_chick]

Self-admitted xenophobes who are conservatives.... scriblett for one. ScottSA, Argus, and mikedavid.

Your turn to name some non-conservative xenophobes.

and a link to one of their Conservative/racist posts?

I'll add another from the last page of this thread....

Scriblett defending xenophobia

There is nothing racist about being against a policy which has resulted in a cult of ethnicity fueled by government sponsored and financed Multiculturalism. The result has not been healthy. We are now composed of, not individuals, but of inviolable ethnic and racial groups, all of whom are pigging out at the taxpayers’ financial trough.

[Michael Bluth]

I'll start things off with one example: Link

This is an interesting quote from that post. Which arguably gets lost in the clutter.

I guess my problem is that I'm against racism and prejudice. I feel everyone should be treated fairly regardless of their colour or immagined culture. I feel the whole thing of calling myself a nationality other than Canadian is just uncool. It's not fun. It doesn't lead to anything. It only creates problems.

Any comments on this particular quote?

[BC_chick]

I reiterate my stance earlier, I have nothing against xenophobes, they are entitled to feel as they do even I personally disagree.

Just don't sit there wondering why I don't feel all warm and fuzzy by the political party toward which they gravitate... for whatever reason.

[ScottSA]

Self-admitted xenophobes who are conservatives.... scriblett for one. ScottSA, Argus, and mikedavid.

Your turn to name some non-conservative xenophobes.

Ah, well, since my name came up, perhaps you'd like to point at one of my "xenophobic" posts. Hint: the best definition I can come up with for xenophobe is:

"A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

The operant word here is "unduly." One could be, and many were, fearful and contempuous of Nazis from 1933 to 1945 and Germans in general from 1939 to 1945, but few would today argue that they were "unduly" fearful and contempuous. Islam is a similar case. I grew up in India, long before Islam began to be taken over by murderous 6th century goatherders, and it was bad enough even then. You probably don't realize that in India today, as in the India of the 1970s, there are hundreds of people killed a months in riots across the subcontinent, and in 9 out of 10 of those cases, Islam is at the root of it. It's so common that the only time we in the west hear about it is when the numbers get really high in a particularly egregious episode. Now Islam is fast changing from a merely bad religion into an atrocious religion; far worse than it was when I was in India. And the only thing about it that's moving forward are its armaments and it's propaganda arm...everything else is moving backwards at speed. It is not a religion of peace. It is a global scourge, and there is nothing at all "undue" about either my fear or my contempt of it.

Because I grew up in India, I know exactly how "multiculture" works, and it doesn't work well. It never has. I am dreadfully fearful of the results when critical masses of distinct self-identified cultural, religious, or racial groups begin to coalesce. It's beginning to happen in Canada...it's why Sikhs, Chinese, Blacks, and other like groups tend to congregate in certain areas. It is destined to destroy democracy, which is premised upon the Idea, but is rapidly giving way to group power politics. Multiculturalism is a naively nice idea, but it bodes ill for the future of any country which has adopted it.

The contempt that many feel is not so much for the "foreigner" as for the culture they attempt to foist on us. We in the west have created the best culture in the world. It is not a mere accident of geography that the west shot ahead of the rest of the world; it is a cultural feat. Our system of government, our economic systems, our philosophies, our creations, are all light years ahead of any other culture...that's why people want to live in the first world and not the other way around. It is with a great deal of very warranted contempt that I see 3rd world cultures arriving from the squalor they came from and attempting to change us into them. And neither my fear nor my contempt is undue.

[gc1765]

This is an interesting quote from that post. Which arguably gets lost in the clutter.

I guess my problem is that I'm against racism and prejudice. I feel everyone should be treated fairly regardless of their colour or immagined culture. I feel the whole thing of calling myself a nationality other than Canadian is just uncool. It's not fun. It doesn't lead to anything. It only creates problems.

Any comments on this particular quote?

Come on, you don't actually believe that do you? It's like people who say "I'm not a racist, but...."

[jdobbin]

Ah, well, since my name came up, perhaps you'd like to point at one of my "xenophobic" posts. Hint: the best definition I can come up with for xenophobe is:

"A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

Weren't you suspended for your colourful views?

[Michael Bluth]

Ah, well, since my name came up, perhaps you'd like to point at one of my "xenophobic" posts. Hint: the best definition I can come up with for xenophobe is:

"A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

Weren't you suspended for your colourful views?

Are you threatening him?

[BC_chick]

Because I grew up in India, I know exactly how "multiculture" works, and it doesn't work well. It never has. I am dreadfully fearful of the results when critical masses of distinct self-identified cultural, religious, or racial groups begin to coalesce. It's beginning to happen in Canada...it's why Sikhs, Chinese, Blacks, and other like groups tend to congregate in certain areas. It is destined to destroy democracy, which is premised upon the Idea, but is rapidly giving way to group power politics. Multiculturalism is a naively nice idea, but it bodes ill for the future of any country which has adopted it.

Thank you.

[ScottSA]

Ah, well, since my name came up, perhaps you'd like to point at one of my "xenophobic" posts. Hint: the best definition I can come up with for xenophobe is:

"A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

Weren't you suspended for your colourful views?

Nope. But I see it doesn't take much to draw fascist tendencies to the surface...

[ScottSA]

Because I grew up in India, I know exactly how "multiculture" works, and it doesn't work well. It never has. I am dreadfully fearful of the results when critical masses of distinct self-identified cultural, religious, or racial groups begin to coalesce. It's beginning to happen in Canada...it's why Sikhs, Chinese, Blacks, and other like groups tend to congregate in certain areas. It is destined to destroy democracy, which is premised upon the Idea, but is rapidly giving way to group power politics. Multiculturalism is a naively nice idea, but it bodes ill for the future of any country which has adopted it.

Thank you.

No, thank you. Thank you for pointing out that you are more interested in political correctness than the actual truth. That's actually scary.

[BC_chick]

No, thank you. Thank you for pointing out that you are more interested in political correctness than the actual truth. That's actually scary.

Earlier in the thread, the subject was brought up of why minority groups don't support the CPC. I said that I can't speak for all, but for me, even if I weren't socially and fiscally liberal, I could not bring myself to join the ranks of political party which has the support those who don't consider me a real Canadian (read - xenophobes). Others were denying that there is a link between xenophobes and the CPC and asked for me to show examples of CPC supporters who are against multiculturalism. Hence, you saved me a search.

Whether or not multiculturalism is a good idea is a whole other debate. You are entitled to your opinion.

[Michael Bluth]

Earlier in the thread, the subject was brought up of why minority groups don't support the CPC. I said that I can't speak for all, but for me, even if I weren't socially and fiscally liberal, I could not bring myself to join the ranks of political party which has the support those who don't consider me a real Canadian (read - xenophobes). Others were denying that there is a link between xenophobes and the CPC and asked for me to show examples of CPC supporters who are against multiculturalism. Hence, you saved me a search.

Whether or not multiculturalism is a good idea is a whole other debate. You are entitled to your opinion.

You appear to have fogotten what you said. Allow me to remind you.

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

For that, you'll never get me on your team. I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

[jdobbin]

Nope. But I see it doesn't take much to draw fascist tendencies to the surface...

That's funny. Because I could have sworn you were suspended. And since I had nothing to do with it, I don't know who's tendencies you are referring to.

[BC_chick]

Earlier in the thread, the subject was brought up of why minority groups don't support the CPC. I said that I can't speak for all, but for me, even if I weren't socially and fiscally liberal, I could not bring myself to join the ranks of political party which has the support those who don't consider me a real Canadian (read - xenophobes). Others were denying that there is a link between xenophobes and the CPC and asked for me to show examples of CPC supporters who are against multiculturalism. Hence, you saved me a search.

Whether or not multiculturalism is a good idea is a whole other debate. You are entitled to your opinion.

You appear to have fogotten what you said. Allow me to remind you.

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

For that, you'll never get me on your team. I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

Yes Michael, that was a number of pages ago. I have since acknowledged, many times over, that my usage of the word was too broad.

I have also provided, as per your request, the link between xenophobes on this forum and their support for the CPC.

If going full-circle is all you got... I rest my case.

[geoffrey]

I don't think that not supporting multiculturalism as a government policy is a racist thing (triple negative? ouch my grammar). It's purely cultural.

Disliking aspects of a culture is not at all racist.

[BC_chick]

Not sure I entirely agree, but even under that consideration, it doesn't affect my initial argument as to why immigrants may not feel comfortable in a party which attracts the people who do not welcome their presence in this country.... for whatever reason.

[geoffrey]

Not sure I entirely agree, but even under that consideration, it doesn't affect my initial argument as to why immigrants may not feel comfortable in a party which attracts those who do not welcome their presence in this country.

Let me elaborate then.

I can dislike the actions of someone (their culture), but not dislike the individual because they have a certain raical characteristic.

Let's take for example golf. Mostly white guys play it, and say you hate the game of golf. Thinking that I'm ridiculous by going to play a round of golf isn't racist.

Me thinking someone is ridiculous eating with chopsticks when a perfectly good fork is available isn't racist either (I admire those that can use chopsticks, I never have been able to figure it out that well).

You being prejudiced against me because I'm white or me being prejudiced against you because your of whatever ethnicity isn't justified though.

Someone's ethnicity can't be changed... but there is nothing wrong with judging people on the actions they freely chose to do.