The Young Liberal Ads

[noahbody]

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

Stating "every racist is a conservative" an excellent example of bigotry. Agree?

[jdobbin]

I guess no form of subtlety functions with people who drool as they write.

I think the moderator has been clear on insults in posts. He said he would give no warning when suspending.

[Michael Bluth]

Don't confuse prejudism with bigotry. We all have prejudices.

But within a society, those who have a history of imposing harm on others as a result of their prejudices, those with with the power to be able to continue to impose harm on to others as a result of the their prejudices, they are the bigots.

Do you honestly think "the old WASP boys club" really controls Canada still?

[BC_chick]

What a load of BS. you get called out quite rightly by Kim and this is your retort?

Don't confuse being politically correct with not being racist.

that's your problem.

Wow, what an articulate, thought-provoking response. LOL

[BC_chick]

Well, let's look at this distinction then. Here's the most comprehensive definition of bigotry I can find...at least that falls outside tautological pap like "Bigotry is the thoughts of a bigot."

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

You made the statement: I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

Notice a match there?

If that opinion which differs from mine is complete disdain for the colour of my skin without having the slightest clue about who I am or what I believe, then I am not being intolerant of a group am I? I'm intolerant of that individual. As I said before, I have nothing against conservatives.

IOW I am socially and fiscally liberal in my views - but even if I weren't, I still couldn't bring myself to support a political party which has the support of the majority of the people who don't consider me a "real" Canadian.

[BC_chick]

Do you honestly think "the old WASP boys club" really controls Canada still?

It's getting better, for sure. But look around, the positions of power are still held by whites. In fact, this is one area where the US has Canada beat despite our claims to the contrary. Our glass ceilings are still pretty intact.

Here's a good read on some stats if you're interested

http://www.conferenceboard.ca/press/2005/O...g_out_Op-ed.asp

[BC_chick]

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

Stating "every racist is a conservative" an excellent example of bigotry. Agree?

It'd be bigotry if I'd said every conservative is a racist because I'd be ascribing a negative trait to all the followers of an ideology. But as it stands, I don't see the bigotry in my statement.

[kimmy]

It'd be bigotry if I'd said every conservative is a racist because I'd be ascribing a negative trait to all the followers of an ideology. But as it stands, I don't see the bigotry in my statement.

But you do see the falsehood in it, right? I mean, even by your narrow (and self-serving, and fake) definition of bigotry, you have to concede the Liberals and PQ obviously harbor bigots as well; I just showed you some examples. In fact, I think those two parties have gotten themselves in at least as much hot water as the Conservatives over the past few years.

Don't confuse prejudism with bigotry. We all have prejudices.

But within a society, those who have a history of imposing harm on others as a result of their prejudices, those with with the power to be able to continue to impose harm on to others as a result of the their prejudices, they are the bigots.

So, your argument is really just a respin of the old "only white people can be racists" logic. (shrug) I don't have the time or inclination to wade into that cesspool. I think that sort of view pretty much speaks for itself.

-k

[White Doors]

What a load of BS. you get called out quite rightly by Kim and this is your retort?

Don't confuse being politically correct with not being racist.

that's your problem.

Wow, what an articulate, thought-provoking response. LOL

Sorry, I had to stoop to a lower level to grab your attention. Seems that it worked.

[White Doors]

She avoids it Kimmy, but yes - that is exactly what she is saying.

You can't be a minority and ba a racist. what utter garbage.

The only thing she IS being is politically correct and a coward.

It's easy to point to others and not look inside yourself.

BC Chick is really saying - "Not all whites are conservatives, but all conservatives are white".

Who's the racist now?

[noahbody]

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

Stating "every racist is a conservative" an excellent example of bigotry. Agree?

It'd be bigotry if I'd said every conservative is a racist because I'd be ascribing a negative trait to all the followers of an ideology. But as it stands, I don't see the bigotry in my statement.

There's bigotry in the statement because of the word "every."

[Shakeyhands]

In fact, I think those two parties have gotten themselves in at least as much hot water as the Conservatives over the past few years.

-k

While I believe and agree that your point about racists and bigots being in every party is absolutely right, I think the reason that more Conservatives have not been in trouble as of late is that Harper forbides them from talking without vetting what is to be said. If some of the MP's that currently sit as part of the government where to open their mouths... yikes, I shudder at what we might hear.

[ScottSA]

In fact, I think those two parties have gotten themselves in at least as much hot water as the Conservatives over the past few years.

-k

While I believe and agree that your point about racists and bigots being in every party is absolutely right, I think the reason that more Conservatives have not been in trouble as of late is that Harper forbides them from talking without vetting what is to be said. If some of the MP's that currently sit as part of the government where to open their mouths... yikes, I shudder at what we might hear.

Ah, so the lack of evidence of bigotry actually PROVES how much worse the CPC is. Excellent reasoning.

[BC_chick]

But you do see the falsehood in it, right? I mean, even by your narrow (and self-serving, and fake) definition of bigotry, you have to concede the Liberals and PQ obviously harbor bigots as well; I just showed you some examples. In fact, I think those two parties have gotten themselves in at least as much hot water as the Conservatives over the past few years.

As I agreed with you earlier, everyone has prejudices. But in this country, those who have the power to inflict harm on others because of their prejudices are whites. In the Middle-East, those people would be the Muslims. In India, the Indian, in China, the Chinese and so on.

So, your argument is really just a respin of the old "only white people can be racists" logic. (shrug) I don't have the time or inclination to wade into that cesspool. I think that sort of view pretty much speaks for itself.

Nope, anyone and everyone can be a racist. But as I say above, in this country, which has a history of white establishments, one where 97% of senior positions (read - power) are still ran by whites, reverse-racism does not and can not inflict the same damage.

[BC_chick]

BC Chick is really saying - "Not all whites are conservatives, but all conservatives are white".

No they're not, there are plenty of non-white conservatives.

[BC_chick]

While I believe and agree that your point about racists and bigots being in every party is absolutely right, I think the reason that more Conservatives have not been in trouble as of late is that Harper forbides them from talking without vetting what is to be said. If some of the MP's that currently sit as part of the government where to open their mouths... yikes, I shudder at what we might hear.

I'm not even talking about the CPC itself... I'm talking about its supporters.

[Argus]

I guess no form of subtlety functions with people who drool as they write.

I think the moderator has been clear on insults in posts. He said he would give no warning when suspending.

I made a simple statement of fact. If you take it as an insult well, that's your problem.

[jdobbin]

I made a simple statement of fact. If you take it as an insult well, that's your problem.

Actually, it might be your problem. That's a statement of fact too. I don't control what the moderator does but he certainly made it clear what he think insults are. Thought you might be forewarned because he said he wouldn't warn.

[Michael Bluth]

I made a simple statement of fact. If you take it as an insult well, that's your problem.

Actually, it might be your problem. That's a statement of fact too. I don't control what the moderator does but he certainly made it clear what he think insults are. Thought you might be forewarned because he said he wouldn't warn.

Argus, I'm confident that you have the ability to read.

And to understand when a poster you disagree with is trying to intimidate you because he doesn't like your opinions.

From mhat I know there is only one moderator on this board.

[Argus]

Well, let's look at this distinction then. Here's the most comprehensive definition of bigotry I can find...at least that falls outside tautological pap like "Bigotry is the thoughts of a bigot."

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

You made the statement: I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

Notice a match there?

If that opinion which differs from mine is complete disdain for the colour of my skin

There is no definition I'm aware of which limits bigotry to skin colour alone. By the way, are you aware that the Alliance had the largest percentage of visible minority candidates and supporters of all major parties? Not that that would get you to reconsider since you claim only to be prejudiced (an unfavourable opinion formed without knowledge, thought or reason)

Mind you, the "without knowledge, thought or reason" s a fairly convincing argument as it closely resembles the content of your posts.

IOW I am socially and fiscally liberal in my views

You are what passes for liberal today. At one point "liberal" was a broad minded, forward thinking person who considered all possibilities. Your posts however, are close-minded, shrill, and condemn anyone who disagrees with your politics. You condemn vast, sweeping groups of people with a sort of back-handed contempt, be they Christians, conservatives or whomever. And you have the gall to complain about other people's bigotry???!

[Argus]

While I believe and agree that your point about racists and bigots being in every party is absolutely right, I think the reason that more Conservatives have not been in trouble as of late is that Harper forbides them from talking without vetting what is to be said. If some of the MP's that currently sit as part of the government where to open their mouths... yikes, I shudder at what we might hear.

I'm not even talking about the CPC itself... I'm talking about its supporters.

And how many Liberal supporters hate Jews?

Oh, but that doesn't count, right?

[Shakeyhands]

how many Liberals do hate Jews? I certainly don't know any????

If you guys keep throwing it, sooner or later it may stick right?

[Who's Doing What?]

And how many Liberal supporters hate Jews?

LMAO

Now Liberals are a bunch of Jew haters.

[geoffrey]

Now Liberals are a bunch of Jew haters.

Cotler's wife sure believed it when she left the party.

Anyways, your friend was just suggesting that Conservatives are mostly racists, and that all racists must be conservatives (ignoring my point that the labour movement was the most racist faction in Canada up until only a few years ago). It's a equal, and equally ridiculous, comparison.

[jdobbin]

Cotler's wife sure believed it when she left the party.

Cotler's wife had been prepared to leave over gay marriage.