Greenhouse Emissions: Kyoto II

[August1991]

U.S. President George W. Bush has called for a meeting of major greenhouse gas emitting countries by the end of the year and a global emissions target by next year.

In a speech delivered Thursday, Bush proposed a meeting of 15 countries identified as major emitters of greenhouse gases, including the U.S., China and India. The meeting could take place as early as this fall, said Bush.

He called on countries to hold a series of meetings, starting within months, to reach a global emissions target by 2008. Each country then would have to decide on how to achieve the goal, said Bush.

CBC

Kyoto I was fundamentally flawed because it excludes China and India and because its baseline of 1990 is arbitrary and biased. The US, UK and Canada have now left Kyoto I and without the US, no global agreement on GHG has any meaning anyway.

We need a new global agreement that is designed solely to reduce GHG emissions - and not designed to transfer wealth from rich countries to governments in poor countries.

I believe Harper is on side with Bush in this initiative to create a realistic, feasible Kyoto II.

[August1991]

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has arrived in Europe, where he will likely back the U.S. view on climate change that promises to create a rift at the upcoming G-8 Summit in Germany...

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Harper has indicated he hopes to play the role of broker between the two sides to try and find a solution that works for everyone.

CTV

First, Harper is right to support Bush. This is the only feasible solution. (The radical right wing who refer to Y2Kyoto are just wrong. Wrong in science and wrong in politics.)

Second, what is this CTV spin that Harper will create a rift but then offer a broker role? Nonsense.

[shoggoth]

imo bush's idea of technology as a solution is a much better idea than an unworkable plan of emission cuts - which is what kyoto II or whatever they want to call it will be.

[JerrySeinfeld]

imo bush's idea of technology as a solution is a much better idea than an unworkable plan of emission cuts - which is what kyoto II or whatever they want to call it will be.

Who really cares. It's politics.

Look at the war. People are just plain bored. We live in an attention deficit world.

Climate Change will eventually jump the shark, people will get sick of it and we'll all be talking about something else in 2 years. That's my prediction. Good thing this thing is date-stamped so I can come back and say "I told you so" in a couple or three years.

[bush_cheney2004]

Climate Change will eventually jump the shark, people will get sick of it and we'll all be talking about something else in 2 years. That's my prediction. Good thing this thing is date-stamped so I can come back and say "I told you so" in a couple or three years.

Amen.....before it was pandemic panic for the likes of bird flu (Avian Influenza), or SARS, or West Nile virus, or an Ebola flesh eating agony for us all.

Now we're all going to cook like a bratwurst on Venus...LOL!

[August1991]

Climate Change will eventually jump the shark, people will get sick of it and we'll all be talking about something else in 2 years. That's my prediction. Good thing this thing is date-stamped so I can come back and say "I told you so" in a couple or three years.

The Kyoto Protocol was negotiated in 1997 and its origins date at least from the Montreal Protocol of 1987 for eliminating CFCs.

Environmental protection is an issue of long date and it will continue into the future. It may well be the defining issue of this century.

[jdobbin]

I believe Harper is on side with Bush in this initiative to create a realistic, feasible Kyoto II.

It looks like Harper's plan will fail to meet even his own modest aims.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070604/..._climate_change

The Pembina Institute and the Deutsche Bank have both analyzed the Tories' climate-change plan and concluded it will fail to meet even its own modest targets because it is riddled with loopholes and flaws.

"The Harper government actually does not have a comprehensive climate change plan," said Matthew Bramley of Pembina - an environmental think tank supported by the Suzuki Foundation and other groups.

"Instead, it has made a series of announcements, and failed to explain how those add up to meeting the national (greenhouse gas) targets that it has laid out."

Still, Harper says his government will deliver real overall reductions - 20 per cent by 2020 - because it plans to impose an annual efficiency standard on large emitters.

Big polluters must deliver an 18-per-cent energy-efficiency improvement by 2010 under the Tory plan, followed by a two-per-cent improvement every year afterward.

Harper said such a system would allow developing powers like China and India to sign on to global climate-change efforts without sacrificing their economies.

The Liberals slammed the speech as an assortment of falsehoods and accused Harper of taking his "eco-fraud" on a world tour.

They noted that Canada's industrial emissions actually fell by 1.7 million tonnes in the Liberals' last full year in office, and cited Pembina's estimate that their plan would have cut emissions at least six times more than the Tory one.

[noahbody]

The Liberals slammed the speech as an assortment of falsehoods and accused Harper of taking his "eco-fraud" on a world tour.

The only fraud was signing onto the accord in the first place with no intention of meeting its targets.

They noted that Canada's industrial emissions actually fell by 1.7 million tonnes in the Liberals' last full year in office, and cited Pembina's estimate that their plan would have cut emissions at least six times more than the Tory one.[/

And cost how much?

[White Doors]

The pembina institute is a biased organization with a clear agenda. citing 'studies' from them is not relevant.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Climate Change will eventually jump the shark, people will get sick of it and we'll all be talking about something else in 2 years. That's my prediction. Good thing this thing is date-stamped so I can come back and say "I told you so" in a couple or three years.

The Kyoto Protocol was negotiated in 1997 and its origins date at least from the Montreal Protocol of 1987 for eliminating CFCs.

Environmental protection is an issue of long date and it will continue into the future. It may well be the defining issue of this century.

Maybe. It certainly does have all the characteristics of a favorite politician topic: vague, huge, difficult to measure success. a la: health care

And we can all save the world without doing anything. Change from paper to plastic (or is it plastic to paper these days?), buy that new hummer and 450 tons of CO2 emissions for 20 bucks with the earnest knowledge that somewhere in banladesh they'll be planting a forest in our name, and walk around like the jesus that just saved the earth. Why wouldn't it be a "defining issue"? LOL

Not only that, but it can keep reinventing itself. The first ever earth day was meant to draw attention to the impending ice age and the "population bomb". And hey - how about that shrinking ozone layer?

The end of the world is never quite nigh enough for the econazis.

hahahaha...

Anyway - I am still predicting people will get bored and the econazis will have to come up with yet another crisis to keep our attention.

Our here on the west coast I saw on the news last night some marine biologists were chopping up a beached whale doing a "necrotopsy" on the mammal to find out why it died. When interviewed you could almost see the HOPE in the eyes of the marine biologists that the cause of death would reveal the need for more attention, and yes, money to save the new WHALE CRSIS on the west coast. Stay tuned....