Racism in Lethbridge Causes National Boycott of Tim Horton's

[Posit]

Would you like me to talk about parental neglect and child abuse happening in your Reserves?

Would you like me to question your Special Status Child Care Policies?

Would you like me to talk about the welfare of your children?

Parental neglect and child abuse? Society is plagued with single mothers either on welfare or working at Mcjobs trying to keep up. Where two parent families earn modest incomes they are so often working and enjoying their wealthy toys there is very little left for their latch-key kids. In comparison most First Nations (as in many small towns) there is still a semblance of a community and kids are often protected and nurtured by friends and family. In comparison native kids are raised with more nurturing than non-native kids. Unfortunately since native kids are often raised differently, our book-educated social workers (with very little social skills) are quick to pull them out and ship them off. They are still perpetuating genocide much like the thinking behind residential schools.

In reality nearly 90% of our society suffers from some sort of mania, phobia, OCD or substance abuse (John Bradshaw PhD). Amidst all that "ism" some of us can raise our children to be respectful and decent human beings. Part of removing the "ism" from First Nations is allowing children to be raised in a more traditional setting, promoting traditional values and eating traditional foods towards better health. Yet it is our colonial influences - the alcohol, residential schools, sexual deviancy etc. that hold the legacy over First Nations. Prior to contact none of these things existed in native society. Our colonial forefathers came here seeking refuge from oppression and abuse and in turn imposed the same sickness upon First Nations that they fled from.

I would suggest that YOU should be concerned about the welfare or YOUR children, since from where I sit it is likely that one of them (or someone in your family) will end up murdering someone, another will abuse sexually a child and another is likely to end up in a life of crime. Statistically, First Nation people have a greater chance of "success" within the definition of their culture than anyone in mainstream society.

[Drea]

Parental neglect and child abuse? Society is plagued with single mothers either on welfare or working at Mcjobs trying to keep up. Where two parent families earn modest incomes they are so often working and enjoying their wealthy toys there is very little left for their latch-key kids. In comparison most First Nations (as in many small towns) there is still a semblance of a community and kids are often protected and nurtured by friends and family. In comparison native kids are raised with more nurturing than non-native kids. Unfortunately since native kids are often raised differently, our book-educated social workers (with very little social skills) are quick to pull them out and ship them off. They are still perpetuating genocide much like the thinking behind residential schools.

More nurturing? You mean those "uncles" are "nurturing" the children. Give me a break. I know this awesome native woman -- owns her own very successful business... she was fostering a 16 yo native girl and her baby boy. 16 yo disappeared (to the streets?) but left the baby at foster mom's house. Indian Affairs came along and took the baby boy -- "He needs to be raised in the band" was their reasoning. Well this woman was totally devastated! She loved that little boy as her own but she wasn't a local "Rez" native so they took him away... sick bastards. She has no idea where he is now or if he is being loved... shameful innit?

[Remiel]

Yet it is our colonial influences - the alcohol, residential schools, sexual deviancy etc. that hold the legacy over First Nations. Prior to contact none of these things existed in native society.

I don't usually get into these debates, but I am calling you out on this one little untruth. Sexual deviancy is genetic, part of the condition of being human. To suggest that there were no natives with these kind of urges prior to colonisation is to completely ignore basic human behaviour.

As for the rest of this sorry business, I think perhaps some of you have been unfairly putting FN on the defensive because of the previously outrageousness of people like Tsi and Posit. Sometimes this can end up turning people into trolls. I was rather upset when Tegamami Scourge was banned along with Tsi, because one of the first debates I ever read here was a more or less civil one between him and perhaps Black Dog. However, I think because people allowed their anger at Tsi to have them make broad generalizations, Tegamami was driven to have to defend himself against those attacks.

[betsy]

Would you like me to talk about parental neglect and child abuse happening in your Reserves?

Would you like me to question your Special Status Child Care Policies?

Would you like me to talk about the welfare of your children?

Parental neglect and child abuse? Society is plagued with single mothers either on welfare or working at Mcjobs trying to keep up. Where two parent families earn modest incomes they are so often working and enjoying their wealthy toys there is very little left for their latch-key kids. In comparison most First Nations (as in many small towns) there is still a semblance of a community and kids are often protected and nurtured by friends and family. In comparison native kids are raised with more nurturing than non-native kids. Unfortunately since native kids are often raised differently, our book-educated social workers (with very little social skills) are quick to pull them out and ship them off. They are still perpetuating genocide much like the thinking behind residential schools.

In reality nearly 90% of our society suffers from some sort of mania, phobia, OCD or substance abuse (John Bradshaw PhD). Amidst all that "ism" some of us can raise our children to be respectful and decent human beings. Part of removing the "ism" from First Nations is allowing children to be raised in a more traditional setting, promoting traditional values and eating traditional foods towards better health. Yet it is our colonial influences - the alcohol, residential schools, sexual deviancy etc. that hold the legacy over First Nations. Prior to contact none of these things existed in native society. Our colonial forefathers came here seeking refuge from oppression and abuse and in turn imposed the same sickness upon First Nations that they fled from.

I would suggest that YOU should be concerned about the welfare or YOUR children, since from where I sit it is likely that one of them (or someone in your family) will end up murdering someone, another will abuse sexually a child and another is likely to end up in a life of crime. Statistically, First Nation people have a greater chance of "success" within the definition of their culture than anyone in mainstream society.

Did I say those atrocities don't happen everywhere? I am responding to FNandProud's statement!

Like as if parental neglect and child abuse doesn't happen in the Reserves!

You should look into what happened to Phoenix Sinclair to give you a sample on what's going on!

[betsy]

Phoenix Sinclair found dead on Manitoba reserve

Last Updated: Saturday, April 22, 2006 | 9:57 PM ET

CBC News

RCMP say they believe they have found the remains of Phoenix Sinclair, a five-year-old girl who went missing in Fisher River, Man., about 10 months ago.

Police said Saturday they had found human remains in a wooded area on the Fisher River First Nation reserve, about 150 kilometres north of Winnipeg.

They believe the remains are of the young girl, but they are waiting for the results of a forensic test before they make a positive identification.

Phoenix Sinclair had been a foster child most of her life. (CBC)

Samantha Dawn Kematch, 24, and Karl Wesley McKay, 43, have been charged with first-degree murder in the case.

A foster child most of her life, Phoenix had been returned to the custody of her birth mother, Kematch.

Police say Phoenix was missing for nine months before anyone reported her absence.

Manitoba launched two reviews into the province's child-welfare system last month after police laid the murder charges.

The case has raised serious concerns about the child-welfare system. Three children have died while in the care of Child and Family Services agencies in the past year. Another six children who died last year had received assistance from Child and Family Services in the past.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/04/22/...tml#skip300x250

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You know who raised the alarm that this child is missing, and did not let up until they investigated?

Her WHITE Foster mother!

You know why this child had been given back to her birth mother?

Because the elders insist that this child should be raised by a Native...not a white person! Phoenix's own birth father said that he was surprised to learn that his daughter was given back to her birth mother!

The Band is putting their politicking ahead of childrens' best interest!

[guyser]

Here you go Betsy.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTV...hub=TorontoHome

Oh gosh, the CCAS left the kid there and did not check the grandparents.

[betsy]

Here you go Betsy.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTV...hub=TorontoHome

Oh gosh, the CCAS left the kid there and did not check the grandparents.

And? What's your point? Am I missing something here?

I hope your point is not to say, "See? It's happening to white folks too"....because that's moot!

I never said this things don't happen everywhere. But FNANDPROUD did imply that this things do not happen in Reserves!

[betsy]

Yes...I'd rather see these children in a FN home than in a home that thinks that they are doing the poor little "indians" a favor. People that will pretend to care for a child and then talk nasty about their culture or race...no matter which race that might be.

You're not the only native who think that way. I've read an interview somewhere of a native who said something along the same lines.

If you'd rather see children such as Phoenix Sinclair be given back to their abusive parents rather than be raised by non-natives....then it only shows the kind of concern the FN has for their own children.

It makes me wonder why the whole hoopla about the residential schools - those who didn't go to residential schools still whining and crying over the past - shedding what now look so much like crocodile tears!

So maybe the "RIGHTS OF A CHILD" should take priority over all issues, alongside "WOMEN'S RIGHTS!"

Since these descriminations are not only practiced by certain individuals, but encouraged and protected by the FN laws.........do I hear anyone calling for a BOYCOTT???

How do we "boycott" the FN? We know how to make Tim Horton comply pronto - hurt that bling-bling!

Let's show our grievance to FN by witholding on all settlements.....until these blatant descriminations and mistreatments are setlled? Money talks.

What do you say, Catchme?

[guyser]

And? What's your point? Am I missing something here?

I hope your point is not to say, "See? It's happening to white folks too"....because that's moot!

Whites are bad, I showed you why. There is one case, so they all must be bad.

Should I look for one of Asian mom and dads abusing kids? Cuz, ya know, if I do find one, then they are all tarnished .

[betsy]

And? What's your point? Am I missing something here?

I hope your point is not to say, "See? It's happening to white folks too"....because that's moot!

Whites are bad, I showed you why. There is one case, so they all must be bad.

Should I look for one of Asian mom and dads abusing kids? Cuz, ya know, if I do find one, then they are all tarnished .

So you showed. Dig up any other parental abuses....be my guest. THis is a free country.

And what would that prove? That parental neglect and child abuses happen everywhere.

But why are you arguing about this with me? What's to argue?

Btw, are saying that child abuses perpetrated by natives should not be considered equally as bad as abuses done by any other non-natives (regardless of race or gender)?

That if you see a white man and a native simultaneously kicking the daylights out of their respective children, you'd be outraged over the white man's violence towards his white child....but ignore the native dad's violence towards his native child?

Are you trying to suggest that the natives be given a special status when it comes to violations of their children? That natives should be free to abuse their children without any interference from any non-native?

Are you saying native children should not receive the same protection and rights enjoyed by other Canadian children?

As for tarnishing everyone.......one stupid employee got the entire staff "tarnished". Tarred and feathered. Over a stupid sign.

Tarnishing everyone with the word descrimination and mistreatment had been a regular behaviour by the radical FN activists and their lemmings non-native followers - who shout the same blanket accusations to non-natives for just about anything.

THAT, is why I'm bringing up descrimination and mistreatment.

Who's really guilty of descrimination....and who's really being victimized!

I guess I'm expecting our feminists activists here - like the original poster of this topic - to be calling out to everyone and do their picketing and protests infront of the Band Councils, instead of calling out to boycott Tim Horton's (unless she's calling out to all fatties to lose weight)!

You should go back and re-read the flow of this discussion.

[Posit]

You missed the point.

Native children are the SAME as non-native children and should be afforded the same protection, for sure. However, you have implied that all natives are abusers, or that at least they are more frequent abusers. Guyser was showing you different. And to further his point statistically we have more abusers in our society than they do in theirs.

Native children are removed from their homes and communities in far greater proportions than us settlers' children. Not because of abuse but because of poverty. Poverty is not legal grounds for removing children, according to the UN Children's Bill of Rights. It is another continuing form of genocide and fits with the UN definition of what constitutes genocide.

BTW I would suggest that you change your vocabulary. You cannot discriminate against or victimize a corporation. So your rant is epithetic.

[White Doors]

Native children are the SAME as non-native children and should be afforded the same protection, for sure.

YAY!!! he FINALLY GET'S IT!!!

So if they are the same then you of course agree, that they should grow up with the EXACT same equal rigths as every other Canadian - correct?

thanks

[Remiel]

You cannot discriminate against or victimize a corporation.

Where have you been? Have you missed all the legislation and lawsuits in the world by and for corporations that have been discriminated against by different countries because of their various trade practices? Do you, like, live under a rock?

[betsy]

You missed the point.

Native children are the SAME as non-native children and should be afforded the same protection, for sure. However, you have implied that all natives are abusers, or that at least they are more frequent abusers. Guyser was showing you different. And to further his point statistically we have more abusers in our society than they do in theirs.

Nope. I didn't miss the implication of FNAndProud's statement.....though I tend to believe he said it without really thinking, in his bid to deflect.

Go back and read that portion again, how chidlren were brought up in this discussion.

You and Guyser missed that point.

As for statistics...of course we'll tend to have more abusers in our society than theirs!

What's their population compared to ours!

Native children are removed from their homes and communities in far greater proportions than us settlers' children. Not because of abuse but because of poverty.

Can you provide anything to support that claim?

[betsy]

BTW I would suggest that you change your vocabulary. You cannot discriminate against or victimize a corporation. So your rant is epithetic.

But I'm not ranting about corporations.

I'm ranting about the descrimination against women in the FN reserves.

I'm pointing out the absurdity in the FN activists' penchant for loosely throwing the accusation of descrimination - like this petty little thing like the stupid sign for example- when in reality, the FN laws are neck-deep in descriminating against and mistreating their own women!

And calling for a boycott? Over this silly little sign? Give me a break!

I mean, this goes way beyond being hypocritical! This is twilight-zone stuff! Lol!

[Blu-Truth]

Get over it already! Usually if something causes such an over-reaction, then it's hitting a nerve, then I would say maybe the real problem lies elsewhere. I know for sure and first-hand that there are major problems with drinking within the native community, a sign at Tim Horton's doesn't have any effect on that one way or the other.

Besides the real issue is preventing anyone that is drunk from getting a coffee is just wrong.