gc1765 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 It was the inaction of the Clinton Gore years that led to 911 and the deaths of thousands. I recommend This Book , which thorougly debunks that myth. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
B. Max Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Can you show me where Al Gore said it's ok to lie about global warming? And try to get actual quotes rather than changing words around as B. Max has done. Yeah right, words that mean the same thing. There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix? I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis. Quote
sharkman Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 gc, here's the quote where Gore said it's okay to lie about Global Warming: I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis. It comes from this link and is about 1/3 down the page. Edit: Whups Bmax beat me to it. Quote
gc1765 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Yeah right, words that mean the same thing.Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, Yes, of course, "lie" and "factual" mean the same thing Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
gc1765 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 gc, here's the quote where Gore said it's okay to lie about Global Warming: see above Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
sharkman Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 gc, here's the quote where Gore said it's okay to lie about Global Warming: see above Don't you know double speak when you see it? An over rep of factual presentation is a misrepresentation of the facts and therefore the truth. Hey, whatever floats your boat. Quote
B. Max Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Yes, of course, "lie" and "factual" mean the same thing In the world of left wing spin I have no doubt they do. Quote
B. Max Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 It was the inaction of the Clinton Gore years that led to 911 and the deaths of thousands. I recommend This Book , which thorougly debunks that myth. It's no myth. http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/143 Quote
Canadian Blue Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 It makes me shudder to think of what disasters awaited the Western world had Gore gotten into the White House and been faced with 9/11. At least we can be thankful for that. Yeah, can you imagine what would have happened if the United States actually went after the guy that committed September 11th, jeeze, where in the hell would we be today. I'll tell you, we probably wouldn't be in Iraq, the world wouldn't have such an unfavorable impression of American's, and we might have even caught Osama Bin Laden [if you can remember who OBL is]. Then Mr. Gore is unremarkable, as this would be descriptive of many billions of other people on the planet. No wonder he never became President of the USA. Is it better to get troops killed based on facts and less than complete lies? Yeah, those hybrid cars and solar power plant's sure have killed untold millions. Unfortunately for yourself you are in a very small minority in America who are glad Bush was elected in 2000. It was the inaction of the Clinton Gore years that led to 911 and the deaths of thousands. I think that everyone has gotten over the whole "its Clinton's fault", especially considering Bush was president for a year, and the fact he was on vacation alot didn't really help much. Now perhaps if Bush had done his job properly 9.11 wouldn't have happened, who knows. Bush was in the White House since that January, so you'd think he would take the time to figure out what to do with OBL and prevent an attack. There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix? The best way to scare people is to tell them that Bush is going to be running America for the next decade, especially considering he is now believed to be one of the most damaging presidents ever. I think only 28% of American's approve of the job he's doing. In the world of left wing spin I have no doubt they do. Dude you called people who were opposed to the war in Iraq traitors. Can you show me where Al Gore said it's ok to lie about global warming? And try to get actual quotes rather than changing words around as B. Max has done. Chances are it was never said, BMax often likes to make stuff up on the fly. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Yeah, can you imagine what would have happened if the United States actually went after the guy that committed September 11th, jeeze, where in the hell would we be today. I'll tell you, we probably wouldn't be in Iraq, the world wouldn't have such an unfavorable impression of American's, and we might have even caught Osama Bin Laden [if you can remember who OBL is]. What's this "we" stuff....are Canadian Forces in Iraq? The world loved "American's" so much before invading Iraq that embassies, ships, airliners, and the WTC were attacked (twice). President Bush was re-elected in Nov 2004 with a clear majority...Iraq was invaded in March 2003. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
B. Max Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 name='Canadian Blue' date='May 27 2007, 03:12 AM' post='222300'] Yeah, can you imagine what would have happened if the United States actually went after the guy that committed September 11th, jeeze, where in the hell would we be today. I'll tell you, we probably wouldn't be in Iraq, the world wouldn't have such an unfavorable impression of American's, and we might have even caught Osama Bin Laden [if you can remember who OBL is]. How naive of the left to think there is only one terrorist in world. Well at least one is making some progress. Clinton diddled while terrorists plotted blowing up ships and embassy's and planning 911. Quote
Guest coot Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 It was the inaction of the Clinton Gore years that led to 911 and the deaths of thousands. You would give Bush a pass for DOING NOTHING in response to the memo saying that Bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S., eliminating the effective counter terrorism measures Clinton had in place, doing nothing when the CIA caught the 20th hijacker during Bush's tenure and indecated he was planning to fly planes into buildings, and doing nothing for ten minutes while the nation was under attack and needing leadership to determine whether they should shoot down commercial airliners, instead reading "My Pet Goat" to elementary school students? Your blind partisanship is astounding. Quote
capricorn Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 If Al Gore truly believes in what he is preaching, i.e. the planet faces certain oblivion unless the entire globe takes drastic action now, why does he always look so happy? At least David Suzuki manages facial expressions that match his dire predictions. Anyone raking in the kind of money Gore does can afford to live in luxury. His new book will surely rake in millions. Perhaps this is the source of his happiness. Why change a winning strategy? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Canadian Blue Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 How naive of the left to think there is only one terrorist in world. Well at least one is making some progress.Clinton diddled while terrorists plotted blowing up ships and embassy's and planning 911. Bush is making progress, really, look at Iraq, Madrid, London, Bali. Attacking Iraq did nothing to help in the war against terror, in fact Hussein wasn't even allies with Osama Bin Laden. The fact that you think Bush has been successful in the war on terror is laughable to say the least. What's this "we" stuff....are Canadian Forces in Iraq? The world loved "American's" so much before invading Iraq that embassies, ships, airliners, and the WTC were attacked (twice). No, I was talking in a general sense. America was more respected before Bush attacked Iraq, and if anything Bush has hurt American influence in the world. Think about it for a second, the vast majority of the world was behind the US after Sept 11 and Bush squandered it going after someone who had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 No, I was talking in a general sense. America was more respected before Bush attacked Iraq, and if anything Bush has hurt American influence in the world. Think about it for a second, the vast majority of the world was behind the US after Sept 11 and Bush squandered it going after someone who had nothing to do with the WTC attacks. What "general sense"...don't even think about such an inclusive term when it comes to the invasion of Iraq, except for the Canadians providing oil services near Kirkuk (Himrin Field). Canada's domestic politics insists on this with a smug satisfaction. No, there is no "we" when it comes to Iraq. BTW, Iraq was invaded, strangled, and bombed long before Sept 11, 2001...before President Bush ever took office. After the attack? This begs the question of hugs and kisses for America from the "vast majority" before the attack. You can't squander that which you never had....being "loved" by the world is a Canadian value. I am reasonably sure that American influence in the world is still significantly more than Canada's, which according to your analysis, is logically diminished even more because of Afghanistan. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canadian Blue Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 What "general sense"...don't even think about such an inclusive term when it comes to the invasion of Iraq, except for the Canadians providing oil services near Kirkuk (Himrin Field). Canada's domestic politics insists on this with a smug satisfaction. No, there is no "we" when it comes to Iraq. BTW, Iraq was invaded, strangled, and bombed long before Sept 11, 2001...before President Bush ever took office. The invasion and occupation of Iraq had an effect throughout the world my friend. The Iraq policy before Bush was more centered on containment, which worked much better than the current administration's policy with regards to Iraq. After the attack? This begs the question of hugs and kisses for America from the "vast majority" before the attack. You can't squander that which you never had....being "loved" by the world is a Canadian value. I am reasonably sure that American influence in the world is still significantly more than Canada's, which according to your analysis, is logically diminished even more because of Afghanistan. American influence, I think America is starting to fall behind in the world due to their insistence on having a cowboy policy during this administration. One only has to look at the appointment of John Bolton to the UN, a man who had few qualifications for the job. As for being respected in the world, I think America's image would have been better off if the president didn't have such a negative impact on the world. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 The invasion and occupation of Iraq had an effect throughout the world my friend. The Iraq policy before Bush was more centered on containment, which worked much better than the current administration's policy with regards to Iraq. That was the idea...to have an effect. Libya certainly got the message. The previous policy of containment still included military force, sanctions, and if we are to believe the hype, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis before any "invasion". Yet Saddam still remained, counter to US policy (Iraq Liberation Act / Desert Fox - 1998). George Bush got the long overdue job done. American influence, I think America is starting to fall behind in the world due to their insistence on having a cowboy policy during this administration. One only has to look at the appointment of John Bolton to the UN, a man who had few qualifications for the job. As for being respected in the world, I think America's image would have been better off if the president didn't have such a negative impact on the world. Again, you are describing a value that matters to Canada much more than America. The US has always been a "cowboy"...President Bush did not invent this. No need to go further off topic on this, but the history of American foreign policy involves many wars and military adventures. That's why they are called "Expeditionary Forces". We even invaded a British Dominion called "Canada". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Electric Monk Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Can you show me where Al Gore said it's ok to lie about global warming? And try to get actual quotes rather than changing words around as B. Max has done. Yeah right, words that mean the same thing. There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix? I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis. How does the meaning of the word "over-representation" differ from the word "mis-representation"? How does this affect the meaning of Gore's statement, especially used in conjunction with the word "factual"? Quote
sharkman Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 I'm not sure what you are asking with your first question. When you over represent certain facts, you give them more weight than what they should have. This is what Gore is saying, it's okay to accenuate certain facts that the evidence doesn't support to that level. To exaggerate, in an attempt to manipulate people, scare them, and get them to do what Gore thinks they should do. To state something that the facts don't support is lying. Sounds a lot like a politician, doesn't it? He has done this throughout his movie as many scientists have stated. Quote
Canadian Blue Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 That was the idea...to have an effect. Libya certainly got the message. The previous policy of containment still included military force, sanctions, and if we are to believe the hype, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis before any "invasion". Yet Saddam still remained, counter to US policy (Iraq Liberation Act / Desert Fox - 1998). George Bush got the long overdue job done. Yeah Bush got the job done, Iraq is now a fully functioning democracy with rainbow skies, bikini carwashes, and McDonalds all over the place.....and a few bombings here and there and a large civil war. Again, you are describing a value that matters to Canada much more than America. The US has always been a "cowboy"...President Bush did not invent this. No need to go further off topic on this, but the history of American foreign policy involves many wars and military adventures. That's why they are called "Expeditionary Forces". We even invaded a British Dominion called "Canada". Yeah, back in 1814, and you were beaten badly. President Bush just doesn't really give much of a care about what anybody else in the world thinks, but then again he doesn't really care what American's think either. When you over represent certain facts, you give them more weight than what they should have. This is what Gore is saying, it's okay to accenuate certain facts that the evidence doesn't support to that level. To exaggerate, in an attempt to manipulate people, scare them, and get them to do what Gore thinks they should do. Why not go one step further, I advocate a witch hunt of all scientists who support the theory of climate change, lets bring them before the senate and finally weed out these so called science types before they destroy us all. To state something that the facts don't support is lying. Sounds a lot like a politician, doesn't it? He has done this throughout his movie as many scientists have stated. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6062700780.html Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
B. Max Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Yeah, back in 1814, and you were beaten badly. I believe it's still called the war of 1812. I think today it would be a far different outcome. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Yeah Bush got the job done, Iraq is now a fully functioning democracy with rainbow skies, bikini carwashes, and McDonalds all over the place.....and a few bombings here and there and a large civil war. Yes, it is, just like the United States. Are you afraid of civil war? Yeah, back in 1814, and you were beaten badly. President Bush just doesn't really give much of a care about what anybody else in the world thinks, but then again he doesn't really care what American's think either. Such was the price to be finally free of the Crown's yoke and oppression, which Canadians would not fully enjoy until 1982. Booting your kings and queens in the ass was worth it. And oh my...those poorly "beaten" colonies have surely grown...how do you like US now? Accordingly, why the hell would President Bush care what Canadians think....it is irrelevant. Do you think Chinese President Hu Jintao cares about such things? This very thread is dedicated to discussing a former American vice president's role in "creating" the Internet. Think about that for a minute. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canuck E Stan Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Gore quotes we will always remember: "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it" --Al Gore, former VP "We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur." --Al Gore, former VP Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
Liam Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 He claimed the union song, Look For the Union Label, was sung to him as a baby when the song wasn't released until in a 1975 commercial as a jingle. OMG! George Bush claimed that his favorite book from childhood was "The Very Hungry Catepillar". The problem with this claim is, it wasn't published till 1994. Maybe he was confusing it with "My Pet Goat", which he loved so much on 9/11. Quote
jdobbin Posted May 27, 2007 Report Posted May 27, 2007 Gore quotes we will always remember: This is fun. George W. Bush quotes next! "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003 Or this one... "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004 Quote
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