BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Before I get accused of America-bashing here, I will concede that the people in this video could be found in the streets of Canada any day as well. I will therefore post the video with the underlying notion that as far as this video is concerned, the use of "American" should really be "North American." However, I chose to post it under US politics because during recent history, it was Bush's America who was forever ready for war. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19aqw_am...t-stupid-with-s North Americans don't even know what war is because for over a 100 years "war" was always something that happened "over there" not here. Maybe if war-supporters had seen, first-hand, what it's like to have a country destroyed, to have innocent women and children killed, they would feel differently about war. Just look at Europeans' attitudes for example vs. North Americans. Furthermore, given the historical isolation of the continent, a certain trend of extreme-ignorance about world affairs has become quite commonplace in the continent as seen in the video I posted. IMO I think it's pure folly to give credence to the argument of someone who says their country should attack another country about which they know absolutely nothing. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Guthrie Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 I think that clip was filmed in Texas Before I get accused of America-bashing here, I will concede that the people in this video could be found in the streets of Canada any day as well. so, can we start accusing you of America-bashing now that you've made that concession? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 I think that clip was filmed in TexasBefore I get accused of America-bashing here, I will concede that the people in this video could be found in the streets of Canada any day as well. so, can we start accusing you of America-bashing now that you've made that concession? Go ahead. Just try and have some substance against the actual argument somewhere in between the ad hominem attacks. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Guthrie Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 I think that clip was filmed in Texas Before I get accused of America-bashing here, I will concede that the people in this video could be found in the streets of Canada any day as well. so, can we start accusing you of America-bashing now that you've made that concession? Go ahead. Just try and have some substance against the actual argument somewhere in between the ad hominem attacks. OK, I think that clip must have been filmed in Texas -- I am not sure that the majority of Texans know whether they are North Americans or not how dare you Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 OK, I think that clip must have been filmed in Texas -- I am not sure that the majority of Texans know whether they are North Americans or nothow dare you Well, given that they couldn't name a country that starts with U.... Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Guthrie Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 well they didn't start with the old joke, "C, eh, N, eh, D, eh" and maybe they thought they live in the Younited States Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 ....North Americans don't even know what war is because for over a 100 years "war" was always something that happened "over there" not here. Maybe if war-supporters had seen, first-hand, what it's like to have a country destroyed, to have innocent women and children killed, they would feel differently about war. Just look at Europeans' attitudes for example vs. North Americans.Furthermore, given the historical isolation of the continent, a certain trend of extreme-ignorance about world affairs has become quite commonplace in the continent as seen in the video I posted. IMO I think it's pure folly to give credence to the argument of someone who says their country should attack another country about which they know absolutely nothing. Disclaimer noted, but surely you realize that such assertions invite criticism of not only your own understanding of history over the past 100 years, but your own nation's complicity in many "wars". Americans are "ready for war" partly because the many places you cite as having superior attitudes certainly have much experience in such things. BTW, Europeans are in Afghanistan and Iraq. The innocent "women and children" thing is so 1950's. Is it OK to kill innocent men and fetuses? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Disclaimer noted, but surely you realize that such assertions invite criticism of not only your own understanding of history over the past 100 years, but your own nation's complicity in many "wars". Americans are "ready for war" partly because the many places you cite as having superior attitutudes certainly have much experience in such things. BTW, Europeans are in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm not talking politicians, but the people of a nation. If you recall, Europeans were against war by huge margins. Even the Brits. The innocent "women and children" thing is so 1950's. Is it OK to kill innocent men ans fetuses? Make it killing innocent men, women and children. Better? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Younited States Love it Guthrie! Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
sharkman Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Wow, starting threads based on uninformed opinions is really a waste of bandwidth. Gee lets ban war altogether, ban hatred, ban racism and have the letter m stricken from the english language. Quote
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Wow, starting threads based on uninformed opinions is really a waste of bandwidth. Gee lets ban war altogether, ban hatred, ban racism and have the letter m stricken from the english language. Speaking of waste of bandwidth, I'm having a hard time deciphering your point. Are you denying that North Americans are by and large ignorant of the world outside of the continent or are you saying that insight about the world really isn't all that important in making informed decisions which will ultimately result in thousands, if not millions of deaths? Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
sharkman Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Speaking of waste of bandwidth, I'm having a hard time deciphering your point. Are you denying that North Americans are by and large ignorant of the world outside of the continent or are you saying that insight about the world really isn't all that important in making informed decisions which will ultimately result in thousands, if not millions of deaths? Yes. Quote
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Speaking of waste of bandwidth, I'm having a hard time deciphering your point. Are you denying that North Americans are by and large ignorant of the world outside of the continent or are you saying that insight about the world really isn't all that important in making informed decisions which will ultimately result in thousands, if not millions of deaths? Yes. In that case, elaborate. Explain why you feel one can make informed decisions to kill a bunch of people you know nothing about. Just don't attack the messenger as your only argument. It says plenty more about your own character than it does about the argument you are attempting to refute. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 I'm not talking politicians, but the people of a nation. If you recall, Europeans were against war by huge margins. Even the Brits. Would that include war against Serbia? Or Argentina? How about North Korea? 100 years is a long time. (Shucks...just missed the Boer Wars!) Make it killing innocent men, women and children. Better? Yes, because if you take time to think about why I called you on this, you may see that your original post reflects the very same attitude that you rail against (men fighting and dying in wars). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Would that include war against Serbia? Or Argentina? How about North Korea? 100 years is a long time. Peace-keeping and war are two different things. Yes, because if you take time to think about why I called you on this, you may see that your original post reflects the very same attitude that you rail against (men fighting and dying in wars). In all honesty, I care about the innocent men as much as I do about the women and children. It's an expression I used, and with trepidation might I add. Truth be known, I was trying to speak the language my opponent (the war-supporter) understands. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 In all honesty, I care about the innocent men as much as I do about the women and children. It's an expression I used, and with trepidation might I add. Truth be known, I was trying to speak the language my opponent (the war-supporter) understands. So it is OK when innocent men, women, children, and fetuses die during wars for "peacekeeping"? NATO's actions against Serbia and the UK's Falklands War were not peacekeeping. Neither was the Korean War. But I understand the misleading language of peacemongers too. Some Canadians need to use such euphemisms to get through the nights when her CF-18's are dropping bombs on enemy or the occasional "innocent civilian". General Hillier knows this well. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 and yet, none of those arguments is mentioned by the clip interviewees -- country that begins with, 'U?' -- uh Cuba? Utah? but nope, no fetuses Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 So it is OK when innocent men, women, children, and fetuses die during wars for "peacekeeping". NATO's actions against Serbia and the Falklands War were not peacekeeping. Neither was the Korean War. But I understand the misleading language of peacemongers too. Some Canadians need to use such euphemisms to get through the nights when her CF-18's are dropping bombs on enemy or the occasional "innocent civilian". General Hillier knows this well. Are you really attempting to compare Iraq to Serbia? LOL Unlike Iraq, Serbia actually WAS an existential threat to its neighbours. As for Korea, hey, if I'd been alive then, I would have spoken out against that too. But just because we have "precedence" of injustice in history, it doesn't mean that we should just sit by idly and let leaders do as they please. As for Hillier.... take that up with the Tory-supporters. I forgot why we were there after 2003 when Bush got ADD and went to Iraq leaving NATO to do his job. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
sharkman Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Speaking of waste of bandwidth, I'm having a hard time deciphering your point. Are you denying that North Americans are by and large ignorant of the world outside of the continent or are you saying that insight about the world really isn't all that important in making informed decisions which will ultimately result in thousands, if not millions of deaths? Yes. In that case, elaborate. Explain why you feel one can make informed decisions to kill a bunch of people you know nothing about. Just don't attack the messenger as your only argument. It says plenty more about your own character than it does about the argument you are attempting to refute. wow. I was under the assumption that by answering yes to a question with 2 options, it would not make sense, and show a waste of bandwidth. It actually DOESN't make sense chick, you missed that completely! Quote
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 wow. I was under the assumption that by answering yes to a question with 2 options, it would not make sense, and show a waste of bandwidth. It actually DOESN't make sense chick, you missed that completely! Well, try my approach, if my opponent misses my point time and time again (as you've been doing on the Passport office thread), I explain it. Sharkman, with your inability to argue and your frequent usage of ad hominem attacks in lieu of an argument, I'd say you have at least chosen your nic appropriately. Welcome to my ignore list. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Are you really attempting to compare Iraq to Serbia? LOL Unlike Iraq, Serbia actually WAS an existential threat to its neighbours. Hint: See Persian Gulf War....Iraq....1991. Like I said, 100 years is a long time. Wanna buy some more CF-18s for "defensive" purposes or "peacekeeping"? It would have been far easier to just bash the Americans to start with, because now you have to deal with your own nation's military adventures in far off places. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BC_chick Posted May 5, 2007 Author Report Posted May 5, 2007 Hint: See Persian Gulf War....Iraq....1991. Like I said, 100 years is a long time. Wanna buy some more CF-18s for "defensive" purposes or "peacekeeping"?It would have been far easier to just bash the Americans to start with, because now you have to deal with your own nation's military adventures in far off places Good thing I clearly started the thread about North Americans (which includes Canada) and not just Americans. Imagine how much you would be pointing out Canada's hypocrisy then. LOL For the record, I'm not saying America bad, Canada good, so stop arguing as such. I'm saying that people who know nothing of what is going on outside their borders, to the point where they can't even name the religion of a Buddhist monk or find the country they want to attack on a map, then they are not the ideal candidate in expressing support for such wars. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
sharkman Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Good thing I clearly started the thread about North Americans (which includes Canada) and not just Americans. Imagine how much you would be pointing out Canada's hypocrisy then. LOLFor the record, I'm not saying America bad, Canada good, so stop arguing as such. I'm saying that people who know nothing of what is going on outside their borders, to the point where they can't even give the religion of a Buddhist monk or find the country they want to attack on a map, then they are not the ideal candidate in expressing support for such wars. Bush_cheney, her premise is silly, most countries are full of people who know little of what goes on outside their borders. This is not a worthy reason of why NA is not fit to support wars or anything else. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Good thing I clearly started the thread about North Americans (which includes Canada) and not just Americans. Imagine how much you would be pointing out Canada's hypocrisy then. LOLFor the record, I'm not saying America bad, Canada good, so stop arguing as such. I'm saying that people who know nothing of what is going on outside their borders, to the point where they can't even give the religion of a Buddhist monk or find the country they want to attack on a map, then they are not the ideal candidate in expressing support for such wars. Then why did you focus on Bush and America wrt wars? North America includes Mexico too. Lots of Mexicans bombing Serbs, Iraqis, Koreans eh? And those who do not understand the religion of a Buddhist monk are also in a good position to say "no" to war? America tried that from 1914-1917 and 1939-1941 but those pesky Europeans and Canadians wanted us to join the war! Frankly, I'm not sure where you are going with this beyond good 'ol America bashing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Posted May 5, 2007 Bush_cheney, her premise is silly, most countries are full of people who know little of what goes on outside their borders. This is not a worthy reason of why NA is not fit to support wars or anything else. Hey, I am certainly not bashful about relating the long history of American military power and foreign policy objectives. But to isolate North America as some kind of immune Death Star is without merit. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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