Shane Doan

[Wilber]

Doan delivers 3 goals in Team Canada win

Last Updated: Friday, May 4, 2007 | 11:02 AM ET

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Shane Doan kept his focus on the ice Friday, notching a hat trick to lead Canada to its fourth straight win at the 2007 men's world hockey championship.

The Phoenix Coyotes power forward scored twice early in the second period to erase a 1-0 deficit and help his team to a berth in the quarter-finals following a 6-3 win over Belarus in Russia.

Beauty

[gc1765]

The conservative supported the motion because to oppose it would open them up to being portrayed in Quebec as insensitive to the plight of the poor, downtrodden Francophone, constantly harassed and victimized by those evil bigoted Anglophone bastards. I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway. However, the opposition did something more, they initiated it and vigorously pursued it.

I agree. Thank you for being honest and answering the question.

[sharkman]

IMO, this issue should have never been raised, it's just small minded politicians holding grudges instead of holding their governments accountable.

[normanchateau]

Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion?

He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament.

Now who is trying to set up a strawman?

Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response.

I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway.

In other words, the Conservatives supported the motion because they're noble and high-minded whereas the Opposition supported exactly the same motion because they're a bunch of unprincipled scumbags.

Here's an alternative hypothesis. The Conservatives, having previously shown that they lack brains and heart, have no shown that they have no balls.

[jefferiah]

Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion?

He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament.

Now who is trying to set up a strawman?

Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response.

I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway.

In other words, the Conservatives supported the motion because they're noble and high-minded whereas the Opposition supported exactly the same motion because they're a bunch of unprincipled scumbags.

Here's an alternative hypothesis. The Conservatives, having previously shown that they lack brains and heart, have no shown that they have no balls.

You are right that they had no balls on this issue. But are you suggesting that the other parties expressed outrage and crocodile tears over the "horrible" issue simply to prove a point about Conservative spinelessness? That maybe it was an elaborate plan and the Liberals and the Bloc and NDP are not really whiney over every miniscule issue. But I really dont think so. And you see the "damned if you do, damned if you dont" situation it creates. If the Conservatives ignore the issue, well they are thick headed bigots. And if they listen to the Bloc and the NDP and Dion they are spineless.

[normanchateau]

Then why was Michael Chong defending the motion?

He wasn't. He was defending the authority of Parliament.

Now who is trying to set up a strawman?

Strawman? The Conservatives supported the bloc motion, and Michael Chong defended it. If they didn't want to waste time and money on this issue, they wouldn't have voted for it now would they? So please do explain why the Conservatives, and Michael Chong, supported the motion. If you want to avoid the question again, don't bother waiting for a response.

I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway.

In other words, the Conservatives supported the motion because they're noble and high-minded whereas the Opposition supported exactly the same motion because they're a bunch of unprincipled scumbags.

Here's an alternative hypothesis. The Conservatives, having previously shown that they lack brains and heart, have no shown that they have no balls.

If the Conservatives ignore the issue, well they are thick headed bigots. And if they listen to the Bloc and the NDP and Dion they are spineless.

If the Conservatives had ignored the issue, as they rightly should have, most Canadians would have applauded them for their courage and common sense. The handful of snivelling Canadians who would have touted this as evidence of Conservative bigotry are unlikely ever to become CPC voters.

By siding with the Bloc, NDP and Liberals, they erred in the direction of unprincipled spinelessness which is not necessarily a vote-getter among the undecided. Paul Martin might have survived the sponsorship scandal if he weren't also perceived as being spineless.

[scribblet]

The conservative supported the motion because to oppose it would open them up to being portrayed in Quebec as insensitive to the plight of the poor, downtrodden Francophone, constantly harassed and victimized by those evil bigoted Anglophone bastards. I'm sure they supported it reluctantly, but they supported it for political reasons anyway. However, the opposition did something more, they initiated it and vigorously pursued it.

I agree. Thank you for being honest and answering the question.

Harper apologized. Its too bad that political parties feel that they have to pander to Quebec out of neccessity.

[normanchateau]

Harper apologized. Its too bad that political parties feel that they have to pander to Quebec out of neccessity.

Harper apologized for pandering to Quebec? You've got to be kidding. This is what he does best.

[scribblet]

What is unconscionable is for MPs to cast aspersions against a proud Canadian, based on nothing more than unproven and highly questionable allegations.

[normanchateau]

What is unconscionable is for MPs to cast aspersions against a proud Canadian, based on nothing more than unproven and highly questionable allegations.

Yes, but it didn't stop the Conservatives from supporting the motion. Is it because they are unconscionable or spineless?

[scribblet]

Dion looks even more gutless every day as he caved to the clique of Quebec MPs who wanted to make political hay from the Doan non-affair.

The CPC were weak in their response, but the Bloc's performance yesterday was predictable - using such tactics to stoke resentments in Quebec - while Liberal and NDP performances just - well disgusting. The CPC should have called a halt to the kangaroo court that the Liberals and Bloc have brought the House down to such a low level.

[jefferiah]

The Tories did not raise the issue in the house, however. It was the other parties that did. And they criticized the Tory government for inaction on the issue. When the Bloc first brought it up the government's defense was that it was not a political issue, but they were still not satisfied. Dion conceded that it was not a government issue but said that he found the current government's silence on the issue to be shocking. I bet you Dion has lost a lot of sleep over it. So it's safe to assume that the Tories did not feel it was a necessary issue since it was never brought up by them. But once the motion was made, a vote in favour of it is like saying well "we'll let them have their little investigation". Even though I disagree with this course of action, personally, I don't think it was totally an unintelligent move on their part. In the end I think the press has made it clear who were the promoters of the motion, and everyone understands that this was brought up by the Bloc and then Layton and Dion mimicked outrage immediately after. Doan will be cleared. The Conservatives will allow the little babies to have their way and lose anyway. And the other parties look more like the idiots.

[normanchateau]

Dion looks even more gutless

Pointing out that Dion looks gutless does not negate the fact that the spineless Harper supported the motion.

[scribblet]

In the end I think the press has made it clear who were the promoters of the motion, and everyone understands that this was brought up by the Bloc and then Layton and Dion mimicked outrage immediately after. Doan will be cleared. The Conservatives will allow the little babies to have their way and lose anyway. And the other parties look more like the idiots.

I think most people understand what went on, not to mention that the CPC don't have the votes to stop a committee from making idiots of themselves.

At least we know now that Canada's most pressing problem for the oppposition is Shane Doan, thank goodness we can breath a sigh of relief that they don't have any more pressing issues to go on about and that Canada is running well.

[Canadian Blue]

What a waste of time and money, man, I think we should seriously consider giving our politicians a huge paycut.

Or better yet lets drudge up past remarks made by some of these politician's in their life, either way its complete idiocy on the part of MP's.

[jefferiah]

In the end I think the press has made it clear who were the promoters of the motion, and everyone understands that this was brought up by the Bloc and then Layton and Dion mimicked outrage immediately after. Doan will be cleared. The Conservatives will allow the little babies to have their way and lose anyway. And the other parties look more like the idiots.

I think most people understand what went on, not to mention that the CPC don't have the votes to stop a committee from making idiots of themselves.

At least we know now that Canada's most pressing problem for the oppposition is Shane Doan, thank goodness we can breath a sigh of relief that they don't have any more pressing issues to go on about and that Canada is running well.

I saw on TSN Sport Desk this morning, that Shane Doan received a phone call from a Stephen Harper voicing his support for the captain and Team Canada.

[normanchateau]

I think most people understand what went on, not to mention that the CPC don't have the votes to stop a committee from making idiots of themselves.

Since when has CPC not been willing to make idiots of themselves even when they didn't have the votes?

Here's a recent example from December, 2006, where they were clearly willing to take what they viewed as a principled stand knowing that they'd surely lose:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/07/vote-samesex.html

So why didn't CPC take a principled stand on the Shane Doan motion? For the same reasons that they can't think on their feet, or chew bubble gum while walking. This party of incompetents does best when they're touting carefully thought out policies developed a year ago like the motion to oppose same-sex marriage. But when they have to be spontaneous or react immediately to a crisis, they are a ship of spineless fools.

[Michael Bluth]

Since when has CPC not been willing to make idiots of themselves even when they didn't have the votes?

Here's a recent example from December, 2006, where they were clearly willing to take what they viewed as a principled stand knowing that they'd surely lose:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/07/vote-samesex.html

So why didn't CPC take a principled stand on the Shane Doan motion? For the same reasons that they can't think on their feet, or chew bubble gum while walking. This party of incompetents does best when they're touting carefully thought out policies developed a year ago like the motion to oppose same-sex marriage. But when they have to be spontaneous or react immediately to a crisis, they are a ship of spineless fools.

Nice language.

The CPC voted to give Hockey Canada a chance to defend themselves against the basesless allegations of Denis Codere.

[scribblet]

Nice language.

The CPC voted to give Hockey Canada a chance to defend themselves against the basesless allegations of Denis Codere.

The rhetoric and hyperbole is heating up LOL the CPC must be doing something right

[jefferiah]

I think most people understand what went on, not to mention that the CPC don't have the votes to stop a committee from making idiots of themselves.

Since when has CPC not been willing to make idiots of themselves even when they didn't have the votes?

Here's a recent example from December, 2006, where they were clearly willing to take what they viewed as a principled stand knowing that they'd surely lose:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/07/vote-samesex.html

So why didn't CPC take a principled stand on the Shane Doan motion? For the same reasons that they can't think on their feet, or chew bubble gum while walking. This party of incompetents does best when they're touting carefully thought out policies developed a year ago like the motion to oppose same-sex marriage. But when they have to be spontaneous or react immediately to a crisis, they are a ship of spineless fools.

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team. The Bloc complained about the current government not doing anything about it, to which there was a reply that it is not the government's job to pick who is captain of a hockey team. Then Layton made a complaint. And then Dion, while conceding that it was not the government's job to pick hockey player's said he found the governments silence on the issue shocking. All this implies that it was not a Tory agenda. Stephen Harper made a personal call to Shane Doan later to say that he has his support. So the Conservatives were simply letting the 4 year olds have their little inquest into Hockey Canada. Come on in, and look around boys, nothing to hide here, see for yourself what idiots you are. Oh by the way, Gilles, Doan scored a hattrick the other day. And I have to wonder why Gilles would be concerned anyway. Since he does not want to be a Canadian, why does he care who is captain of Canada's hockey team. He makes a big fuss over something as common as a complaint about a referee, and calls it racism. Meanwhile he lives in a province where you can be put in the can for using the English language in large font.

[Michael Bluth]

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team. The Bloc complained about the current government not doing anything about it, to which there was a reply that it is not the government's job to pick who is captain of a hockey team. Then Layton made a complaint. And then Dion, while conceding that it was not the government's job to pick hockey player's said he found the governments silence on the issue shocking.

It's damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If the Conservatives hadn't gone along with the request of the committee Normie would have called it *thwarting the will of Parliament* and not a *principled stand*.

[normanchateau]

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team. The Bloc complained about the current government not doing anything about it, to which there was a reply that it is not the government's job to pick who is captain of a hockey team. Then Layton made a complaint. And then Dion, while conceding that it was not the government's job to pick hockey player's said he found the governments silence on the issue shocking.

It's damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Just to play it safe, Harper has done both. He voted to support the Bloc motion and called Doan to tell him that he supports him. He can't have it both ways. Sure sounds like hypocricy to me.

[scribblet]

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team. The Bloc complained about the current government not doing anything about it, to which there was a reply that it is not the government's job to pick who is captain of a hockey team. Then Layton made a complaint. And then Dion, while conceding that it was not the government's job to pick hockey player's said he found the governments silence on the issue shocking. All this implies that it was not a Tory agenda. Stephen Harper made a personal call to Shane Doan later to say that he has his support. So the Conservatives were simply letting the 4 year olds have their little inquest into Hockey Canada. Come on in, and look around boys, nothing to hide here, see for yourself what idiots you are. Oh by the way, Gilles, Doan scored a hattrick the other day. And I have to wonder why Gilles would be concerned anyway. Since he does not want to be a Canadian, why does he care who is captain of Canada's hockey team. He makes a big fuss over something as common as a complaint about a referee, and calls it racism. Meanwhile he lives in a province where you can be put in the can for using the English language in large font.

Well said !!

[normanchateau]

I think most people understand what went on, not to mention that the CPC don't have the votes to stop a committee from making idiots of themselves.

Since when has CPC not been willing to make idiots of themselves even when they didn't have the votes?

Here's a recent example from December, 2006, where they were clearly willing to take what they viewed as a principled stand knowing that they'd surely lose:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/12/07/vote-samesex.html

So why didn't CPC take a principled stand on the Shane Doan motion? For the same reasons that they can't think on their feet, or chew bubble gum while walking. This party of incompetents does best when they're touting carefully thought out policies developed a year ago like the motion to oppose same-sex marriage. But when they have to be spontaneous or react immediately to a crisis, they are a ship of spineless fools.

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team.

No one said they did. The Tories had a choice. They chose to support the Bloc.

[jefferiah]

Remember Norman that it was not the Tories who made complaints about Doan being selected to be the captain of Canada's hockey team. The Bloc complained about the current government not doing anything about it, to which there was a reply that it is not the government's job to pick who is captain of a hockey team. Then Layton made a complaint. And then Dion, while conceding that it was not the government's job to pick hockey player's said he found the governments silence on the issue shocking.

It's damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Just to play it safe, Harper has done both. He voted to support the Bloc motion and called Doan to tell him that he supports him. He can't have it both ways. Sure sounds like hypocricy to me.

Norman, it seems quite apparent to just about everyone that voting for the motion is not the same as supporting the Bloc's claim that Shane Doan should not be captain. The whole country knows that Shane has been cleared before and will be cleared again. They did not support removing Shane as captain, they supported Hockey Canada being given a chance to present their reasons to the government.

Suppose my neighbour accuses me of stealing his television, Norman. I deny the claim two or three times, but finally my neighbour says "Well, let me look through your house." To which I finally reply, "OK whatever, go ahead, suit yourself, take a look." Do you think I am saying this because I support his assertion that I have stolen his TV?