Can we find Christian Preachers...

[ScottSA]

...behaving like this? I particularly like the sword. I mean I know it's just a few extremists, but...

[Canadian Blue]

Thats one guy, therefore all Muslims are like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Coughlin

[newbie]

That display kinda reminded me of films I've seen of Adolf in his heyday, minus the sword of course

[B. Max]

Thats one guy, therefore all Muslims are like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Coughlin

So do you think that crowd was disagreeing with him.

[ScottSA]

Thats one guy, therefore all Muslims are like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Coughlin

Well, I suspect I can find a lot of guys like that. In fact, Memri has archives of 100s of clips of guys like that, but I'm asking if you can find me just one Christian minister who brandishes a sword and calls for the heads of apes and pigs Jews. Just one. It shouldn't be hard, since extremist Muslims are no different from extremists Christians, right? Did father Coughlin, in the dirty 30s, I might add, brandish a sword and call for the deaths of Jews? I don't recall hearing that anywhere.

[Canadian Blue]

Will snakes do?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...kehandlers.html

Did father Coughlin, in the dirty 30s, I might add, brandish a sword and call for the deaths of Jews? I don't recall hearing that anywhere.

No it was much more subtle.

[BC_chick]

What's the difference other than the jihadists take the sword in their own hands and the preachers give free reign to their governments and military to kill as they please because somehow they see them as the forces of good fighting prophecised evils of the world?

I was reading an article recently in a Christian rapture-based website where their view was not only should the US not talk to Iran or Syria, but to any Muslim countries whatsoever. Their reason? Because the Bible says so.

It went on to talk about how only Britain and America are the nations of Israel and it stopped short of calling for a genocide against all Muslims even though that's exactly what it was saying between the lines.

The only difference, as I said, is therefore that the jihadists round up young, impressionable men to do their work, while the Christian wing-nuts allow their governments do as they please because they view it as some sort of religious prophecy between "the Nations of Israel" and "evil."

You're just blind to the similarity because you share their views.

[sharkman]

What some are not blind to are the legions of Christians taking up bomb belts and girding their loins and stepping into a crowd of infidels to get the heavenly touch down of paradise. Ah wait, Christians don't do that. Neither do they brandish swords and encourage their congregations to lop off the heads of jews, yada yada yada. But you don't seem interested in those teeny differences between the faiths, a sort of hands on approach that Muslims favor.

As far as preachers giving free reign to their governments, uh, do you actually think governments care what different churches want them to do? Cause there ain't much unity to be found in the requests. The Muslim clerics, however are pretty unified in killing Jews and infidels. And their governments seem to listen better, what with the laws on women not showing their faces, and people such as gays not being allowed to live peaceful lives, let alone marry.

Those differences seem lost on you bcchick, but keep reading kook websites to get all your information.

[sharkman]

Well, I suspect I can find a lot of guys like that. In fact, Memri has archives of 100s of clips of guys like that, but I'm asking if you can find me just one Christian minister who brandishes a sword and calls for the heads of apes and pigs Jews. Just one. It shouldn't be hard, since extremist Muslims are no different from extremists Christians, right? Did father Coughlin, in the dirty 30s, I might add, brandish a sword and call for the deaths of Jews? I don't recall hearing that anywhere.

Scott, it looks like no one can find a Christian minister who calls for the heads of Jews. I think they are too busy in the other thread poking a stick at the wackos who think God hates the world to face reality.

[M.Dancer]

Well, I can't off hand find a jew hating preacher..but I bet if we looked hard enough in nthe ranks of Jeus Christ Aryan we would find a few....but as far as mainstream hae mongers, I can think of the rev, ian paisly....he may be refotremd now but at one time i'm sure he didn't brake for RCs

[Argus]

What the Islamist lovers won't admit is that people like this are not on the fringes of Islamic society. They are its centre. You don't have to look to some nobody nutjob mullah in asshat Syria to find outrageous, vicious, hatemongering speeches. You only have to look to the mainstream Islamic scholars and the heads of the biggest, most prestigeous Mosques in the Muslim world.

[M.Dancer]

What the Islamist lovers won't admit is that people like this are not on the fringes of Islamic society. They are its centre. You don't have to look to some nobody nutjob mullah in asshat Syria to find outrageous, vicious, hatemongering speeches. You only have to look to the mainstream Islamic scholars and the heads of the biggest, most prestigeous Mosques in the Muslim world.

Admitting it wouldn't be a question if there was lets say, proof. Syria is not the centre of the world.

[ScottSA]

What the Islamist lovers won't admit is that people like this are not on the fringes of Islamic society. They are its centre. You don't have to look to some nobody nutjob mullah in asshat Syria to find outrageous, vicious, hatemongering speeches. You only have to look to the mainstream Islamic scholars and the heads of the biggest, most prestigeous Mosques in the Muslim world.

Admitting it wouldn't be a question if there was lets say, proof. Syria is not the centre of the world.

Fine. Islam is a religion of peace, Memri doesn't have hundreds of clips of mainstream Muslims saying exactly the same thing, and this never happens in mainstream British mosques, in spite of it being documented on film. It's just a few "extremists". Now, have we had any success in finding a preacher of a mainstream Christian religion saying anything remotely like this without being fired? What about one who just draws a sword and does a Hitler-in-Nuremburg act? Nothing yet? Hint: Father Coughlin doesn't count. He never advocated killing anyone.

[DogOnPorch]

Nothing yet?

I'd keep an eye on this guy...looks dangerous.

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[M.Dancer]

Nothing yet?

I'd keep an eye on this guy...looks dangerous.

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And so he flies the Blue Lady of the Skies into the sunset...we bid 'aloha' Five O'Clock Charlie. With a fond farewell...and we return to our duties...also a reminder that the mess tent is open 24 hours for your dining and dancing pleasure.

---Hawk-Eye Pierce: M*A*S*H: 5 o'clock Charlie

try this one instead.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/08/12/nazis/nazis.gif

But the vaiun game of trying to match xtian nuts with islamic nuts is a losing game. True there are probably way more hate filled islamic asshole than xtian. But that doesn't prove that the majority of muslims give them any more time than the majority of americans give phelps or any of the neo nazi christian identity ministers. It may be true that 15, 20 even 25% are sympathetic to the extremists, then all the more reason to support and nourish the 75, 80 or 85% that are not. We need them to defeat the hate, we need evey Irshad Manji, every Rushdie and Every Aga Khan. We ignore their jihad against the medieval attitude held hostage by these mullahs at our peril.

[DogOnPorch]

try this one instead.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/08/12/nazis/nazis.gif

That's hardly a mainstream church...the KKK were apparently a Christian group, too.

But if it is also an oddity in Islam, why were the clerics at this major UK mosque saying the things they are in this UK Ch4 Dispatches program (6 pts).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo

...and wtf is it with these Muslim men?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8shFIkx78

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But the problem, but the problem all began with who? If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it...whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred. It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement.

---Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali

[ScottSA]

True there are probably way more hate filled islamic asshole than xtian. But that doesn't prove that the majority of muslims give them any more time than the majority of americans give phelps or any of the neo nazi christian identity ministers.

The argument itself does not "prove" it, but reality does prove it. For starters, Phelps doesn't set up cells to plot to actively kill people. Second, even if he did, he isn't one of two hundred and forty some active self-identified "Christian" terrorist organizations across the globe conducting daily mayhem and murder. There are, as far as I know, zero (0) Christian terrorist organizations claiming as their sole motivation Christ's teachings. Not one.

If you are going to set the bar at Phelp's level of activity, we'll have to widen the scope to include similar Islamic activity, which brings the numbers of "a few extremists" into the tens of millions instead of the tens of thousands. Every Wahabbist mosque, every Madrassa in America and Europe and throughout the Middle east preaches essentially the same prescriptions for fags that Phelps does, and all of their tens of millions of adherents presumably believe it too. This vast armada of mainstream Islamic hate is compared to Phelps and his 50 some followers? Throw Jim Jones and Waco and every allegedly Christian nutcase in the planet in the mix and it doesn't begin to compare to the activity level of beheadings and the sheer numbers of Islamist activity...no matter how much one squirmingly tries to dismiss the comparison.

[M.Dancer]

You misunderstand me. I don't intend to compare wingnut to wingnuts. I think it's an effort in futility. I fully agree there is an alarmingly large MINORITY of muslims who would be better off living in 1532 in Syria or Islamabad.....but that doesn't mean I feel that the enlightened members of their society should be ostracised.