Harper's "new" government corrupt military contracts.

[hiti]

Military police probe DND contracts

Employee fired over irregularities in transport deals worth $100M

James Gordon, The Ottawa Citizen

Published: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

Military police have been called in to investigate irregularities surrounding almost $100 million worth of National Defence transportation contracts.

Section 34 of the act essentially requires a designated person in the department to certify that the work was done properly, for a fair price and under the terms of the contract.

The audit found Section 34 certification was non-existent on paid invoices related to 13 of the 109 sampled contracts and "questionable on a high percentage of the remaining invoices.

"More than half the sampled air, rail and sea contracts either did not include a contract ceiling, or the ceiling had been exceeded without benefit of a contract amendment," it added.

"Invoices related to 39 per cent of the sampled contracts included charges for items not mentioned in the contract and 24 per cent did not include supporting documentation for third-party charges."

The audit pointed out every rail carrier hired by the government billed for items not contained in the original contract.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...7d-548e04da8e8d

Steve better call an election now before the voter catches on to the corruption in his "new" government. Wait til Sheila's report comes out.

[Who's Doing What?]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

[margrace]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

[scribblet]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

Probably, as obviously they are held up to much higher standards than the Liberals ever where.

[Argus]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

There has been no suggestion anyone stole anything. These kinds of contract issues have been cropping up for decades. Managers are surprisingly poorly trained and don't understand what ss34 signing authority means. I've seen people going to managers to sign things because their own manager wasn't availalble and that manager signing it even though he has no authority over that budget or cost centre. I've had to argue with managers and tell them they personally can be held responsible for paying for services they contracted for because they had no authority to sign off on them on behalf of the government. It's ignorance and incompetence, not corruption. And there's no suggestion of any political involvement either.

These kinds of posts are simply another indication of the gross hypocrisy and dishonesty of people who will defend outright Liberal theft of millions of dollars funneled back into the party in brown paper bags passed across tables in dark Italian restaurants, who will defend to their dying day Jean Chretien's right as prime minister to personally pocket taxpayers money he forced the government to "loan" a business partner, but will rush to squeal like pigs at the faintest sign of the slightest impropriety in government while the Tories are in power.

[ScottSA]

It's hilarious watching Liberal supporters lurking about watching for the Conservative fatal flaw, and then leaping up shouting: "There! Did you see that? There go the evil Conservatives doing something almost as bad as the Liberals! Impeach the bums!"

[Catchme]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

Yes, they should, but actually 100 milion is more than they found during ad scam.

[Who's Doing What?]

Probably, as obviously they are held up to much higher standards than the Liberals ever where.

And they should be held to a higher standard. Higher standards is what they ran their campaign on. Integrity ring a bell? It should. It was plastered on their campaign banners.

[Who's Doing What?]

It's hilarious watching Liberal supporters lurking about watching for the Conservative fatal flaw, and then leaping up shouting: "There! Did you see that? There go the evil Conservatives doing something almost as bad as the Liberals! Impeach the bums!"

Still it isn't as funny as the Harper worshippers falling over themselves to defend their hapless leader, no matter what he does.

[ScottSA]

It's hilarious watching Liberal supporters lurking about watching for the Conservative fatal flaw, and then leaping up shouting: "There! Did you see that? There go the evil Conservatives doing something almost as bad as the Liberals! Impeach the bums!"

Still it isn't as funny as the Harper worshippers falling over themselves to defend their hapless leader, no matter what he does.

Good one. Ha. Ha. Very droll.

[Topaz]

So why hasn't Harper gone into Quebec and found this 40 million that the Quebec Libs stole???? Is it that he needs the Quebec vote???? Is it that Harper doesn't really care about the 40 Mil, just cares about not peeving off Quebecers??? I believe give anyone enough time with all the billions that is pass through Ottawa, you'll find alot of corruption, no matter what party it is.

[ScottSA]

So why hasn't Harper gone into Quebec and found this 40 million that the Quebec Libs stole????

Are you under the impression that the money is sitting in a suitcase in a dark alley somewhere awaiting discovery by Sherlock Harper?

[geoffrey]

I believe give anyone enough time with all the billions that is pass through Ottawa, you'll find alot of corruption, no matter what party it is.

There you go Topaz, you've figured it all one with one comment.

The Liberals were just in power so long that the corruption was much higher than usually expected.

[BC_chick]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Liberals were fired January 2006. You may want to learn from that lesson.

[Michael Bluth]

I believe give anyone enough time with all the billions that is pass through Ottawa, you'll find alot of corruption, no matter what party it is.

There you go Topaz, you've figured it all one with one comment.

The Liberals were just in power so long that the corruption was much higher than usually expected.

Agreed. Two majorities is just about the most time any part should have then get the boot. Too bad Stock Day was the leader of the Alliance in 2000.

[kimmy]

Adscam in a different form

Adscam in a very different form:

-your article contains not even a single suggestion that anyone associated with the Conservatives has done anything wrong, and not even a suggestion that the Conservatives or anybody associated with the Conservatives has benefited from any corruption.

-in fact, the article doesn't even indicate that there's been any corruption. It just indicates that accounting procedures were not followed adequately.

-as well, since the audit in question was conducted in Summer 2006, just a few months after the Conservatives took office, it seems likely that many of the audited contracts were actually awarded before the Conservatives even took office. It also seems certain that many or most of the DND staff on hand during the period under audit predated the Conservatives.

But ya it's just like Adscam.

You set out to make a point regarding Harper and the Conservatives, but what you've actually done is make a point about either how dishonest you are or how poor your reading comprehension skills are.

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

And Margrace shows us that her reading comprehension skills are just as sharp as hiti's.

Show me anywhere in the article where it suggests that the Conservatives have stolen *anything*, Margrace.

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

$100 million is the total value of the contracts. There's no claim anywhere in the article that $100 million has been stolen, lost, or spent inappropriately. In fact there's not a claim in the article that *any* money has been stolen, lost, or spent inappropriately.

Yes, they should, but actually 100 milion is more than they found during ad scam.

...and you should join Hiti, Margrace, and Whosdoingwhat in remedial reading, since you obviously don't have a clue what the article actually says either. Apparently none of you people know how to derive basic meaning or content out of a newspaper article.

-k

[kimmy]

Gee, kimmy, I hadn't realized that I look like a liar and a hack when I take an article like this and completely misrepresent its contents. Thanks for pointing out how this kind of tactic destroys my credibility.

No problem, my friend! Just try to learn from this experience.

Wow, kimmy, I didn't actually understand what I was talking about. Thanks for stopping me before I made a bigger fool of myself.

Well, it might be too late for that, but I do try to help when I can.

Holy cow! I didn't realize how poor my reading skills were. I read the words, but I had no clue what they actually meant. Boy, I should really get some kind of help for that.

Don't be ashamed! Realizing you have a problem is the first step toward finding a solution! There are lots of places you can seek confidential help.

My goodness! I didn't actually read any of this. I was just following the crowd because I thought what they were saying might be accurate.

Don't worry, sweetheart! I've been there myself a few times. But sooner or later, we have to learn to think for ourselves. Would you jump off a cliff if Hiti did first?

-k

[Saturn]

Only one hundred million dollars?

Still "not as bad as the Liberals"

Just a minute, shouldn't this government be seen as squeaky clean, not just stealing less than the liberals?

They have at most one more term to steal, so they ought to be quick.

[Saturn]

I couldn't care whether it's Liberals or Conservatives. Anyone who defends corruption and theft because "it isn't as bas as..." is a pathetic loser and a sad excuse for a Canadian. Remember that next time you are tempted to defend one crook or another because they stole less than...

[kimmy]

I couldn't care whether it's Liberals or Conservatives. Anyone who defends corruption and theft because "it isn't as bas as..." is a pathetic loser and a sad excuse for a Canadian. Remember that next time you are tempted to defend one crook or another because they stole less than...

And did you read the article? Or are you just taking hiti's word for what it actually says?

-k

[Canuck E Stan]

Nice work Kimmy.

[kimmy]

I don't know why I'd even bother.

This thread was just another typical Hiti drive-by smear: he posted this steaming pile of lies without any intention of engaging in discussion or being accountable for these remarks. He emerges from his cave just long enough to post this garbage, then vanishes until his next drive by. It seems to me that this sort of tactic-- posting inflammatory remarks with no intention of participating in a debate-- has been deemed "trolling" in the past, and has been grounds for being banned from this site.

Therefore I'd call on Hiti to either get back here and defend these remarks, or else get off of this message board for good.

-k

[Michael Bluth]

Therefore I'd call on Hiti to either get back here and defend these remarks, or else get off of this message board for good.

Nice suggestion. Doubtful it will happen though.

[hiti]

I don't know why I'd even bother.

This thread was just another typical Hiti drive-by smear: he posted this steaming pile of lies without any intention of engaging in discussion or being accountable for these remarks. He emerges from his cave just long enough to post this garbage, then vanishes until his next drive by. It seems to me that this sort of tactic-- posting inflammatory remarks with no intention of participating in a debate-- has been deemed "trolling" in the past, and has been grounds for being banned from this site.

Therefore I'd call on Hiti to either get back here and defend these remarks, or else get off of this message board for good.

-k

I work for a living and don't have time to spend sitting on my butt and educating you as to the difference between ad agencies billing for non-existent work under Liberal and Mulroney governments and this rail carrier hired by the this "new" government billing for items not contained in the original contract.

We also remember all the Cons screaming at Jane Stewart when her department had "accounting" errors.... amongst the list of Liberals wrongs like patronage, using military jets at $15,000 per hour, and a host of disgusting accusations hurled at Liberals which are the exact things that Steve and his cons indulge in, plus more.

By now we all know that Steve is all mouth and no accountability or integrity. As far as it goes..... adscam and railscam sound very much alike.

And it's been 14 months since this "new" government campaigned on cleaning up government and they have had plenty of time to "clean" up everything......... including railscam. But they haven't even implemented their own accountability act.

So kimmy.... defend your railscam cons all you want. This "new" government's house of cards is falling because all those words were dishonest.

[hiti]

Therefore I'd call on Hiti to either get back here and defend these remarks, or else get off of this message board for good.

Nice suggestion. Doubtful it will happen though.

You joined this forum 6 years after me and have more posts than I have.

Some of us have to work so you can play on your computer all day.