From Australia no less

[Catchme]

The flooding of the Nechako, was bad in the early 80's in Vanderhoof, so much for flood control of it.

Well it's nothing like the wild unchecked Nechako of the past...but it can still give us a surprise now and again. The Fraser has a huge capacity so it takes quite the chain of "wet" events (ice melt/rain/high water tables etc) to make it burst over its very steep banks in the PG/Quesnel area. But it does happen fairly often...enough that I wouldn't build a house near it. Numerous new houses in the Prince George area, I notice, are right on the edge over-looking the Fraser...they must be gamblers...lol.

Yes, those new houses by the bridge between it and Ft George Park, on the water front may not be there long.

The reall flooding problems will be happening down river in the Fraser valley, and the communities along the North Thompson before it joins the Fraser and of course the #5 hwy itself will be in jeapordy in several spots.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, those new houses by the bridge between it and Ft George Park, on the water front may not be there long.

Those are some of the very ones I'm refering to. Are you a PG resident?

Nice looking houses...but you gotta wonder. That's a big azz river...lol.

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I'm a travelin' man, following the breeze...

---Tommy Hunter

[Catchme]

Yes, those new houses by the bridge between it and Ft George Park, on the water front may not be there long.

Those are some of the very ones I'm refering to. Are you a PG resident?

Nice looking houses...but you gotta wonder. That's a big azz river...lol.

Yes, and they are on the eroding side.

Live there part time. Part time in Robson Valley.

[DogOnPorch]

I've spent quite a bit of time in Longworth and Dome Creek. Wife and I moved back to PG from Summerland several years back. Kinda regret it now...but here we are. For those following from afar, this is the area we're refering to...off Bedford Pl.

This image is from about 2004-2005, so the houses are not shown...but the end of the cul-de-sac is a steep sandy bank that is, as Catchme says...eroding. Note the brownish colour from excavations. Another soft area is right where Carney St curves down to 1st Ave...all sand. I renovated a house on that bank and every time a train cruised through the CN yard, the house would vibrate like mad...nasty.

As for regrets re: Prince George...the joint is really heading downhill. Not just the Mountain Pine Beetle, either. I was shocked to come back and find much of the inner city (those areas in 'The Bowl') had slipped into a sort of Northern version of East Vancouver. Drug problems...gang problems...prostitutes...even child hookers...turning tricks near elementary schools. Yuck. But as one of my RCMP cousins pointed out, PG had some real corruption problems re: the Justice system and child prostitutes...so few members want to get involved least they get painted with the wrong brush. Most look to transfer out pronto after doing 'their time' in PG.

Typical night-out in Prince George...lol.

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The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes.

---Stanley Kubrick

[jbg]

So they debunked the photograph, and somehow that once again seems to debunk all of the science behind climate change.

By the way, Australia isn't a proponent of Kyoto, Howard is an opponent of the accord.

Why the need to use phony evidence?

[speaker]

I never heard of it being used as evidence in any way. It was a photo that had appeal and was appropriate because polar bears are going to have difficulty surviving. It was used as a photo-op in the same sense that a politician puts on a work shirt to visit a farm, or a hard hat to show how much he is concerned about the plight of mining. You wouldn't expect him to actually put up with what miners have to put up with.

On a more positive note I heard that at least some Innuit are seeing more polar bears this year, so perhaps the milder winters have allowed more of the cubs to survive and get a good start. It's still unfortunate that they are having to contend with reduced territory, and more difficulty finding food because of the big ice melt.

On a less positive point it seems they are contending by breeding with the grizzlies who are being pushed out of their southerly and mountainous territory and into the Arctic. Can't be good for other forms of life up there.

[jbg]

...while it's been warmer in BC for the last decade or so, last winter was, I believe the coldest winter in Edmonton for the last 100 years. Funny thing is, people are noticing that while some places heat up for a few years, others get colder...hardly a stirling confirmation of Global Warming.

Didn't Victoria get some global-warming induced major snowstorms in late November-early December and some global-warming induced major cold snaps?

Even New York City, which got to 22C on January 6, 2007 had three global-warming induced bitterly cold months in a row starting with January 17, 2007 or thereabouts. It was so hot it was cold.

[noahbody]

Back to the original post, this is just another example of the dishonesty around the global warming issue. Others include the passing the original paper of as authored by over 1,000, when it was authored by, if I recall exactly, 12; and Gore misrepresenting charts (800 year lag) to persuade the masses.

If you catch a used car salesman lying to you, and you buy the car anyway, you're a fool.

[ScottSA]

I can't cite it, but it's common knowledge that the famous footage of glacial caving they always use to illustrate "global warming" is footage taken during normal spring melt.

[jbg]

I can't cite it, but it's common knowledge that the famous footage of glacial caving they always use to illustrate "global warming" is footage taken during normal spring melt.

My view is that "global warming" is almost entirely cyclical.

The panic over global warming is akin to someone who starts noticing, around December 1 in the Northern Hemisphere, a drastic recent reduction in daylight, and assumes we're headed for perpetual darkness.

[B. Max]

Why the need to use phony evidence?

Because the man made global warming is a scam.

[jbg]

Why the need to use phony evidence?

Because the man made global warming is a scam.

Along with David Suzuki's environmentally friendly diesel tour bus, and Al Gore's private jetting around to promote convenient lies.

[ScottSA]

The panic over global warming is akin to someone who starts noticing, around December 1 in the Northern Hemisphere, a drastic recent reduction in daylight, and assumes we're headed for perpetual darkness.

I love it!

[DogOnPorch]

If it's a case of a natural cycle...we'd best hope it isn't the same deal as happened in the late Permian period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-Trias...xtinction_event

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Paleontology is way harder than it looks on TV. Smart people probably already know this.

---Robert Kirby

[bush_cheney2004]

If it's a case of a natural cycle...we'd best hope it isn't the same deal as happened in the late Permian period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-Trias...xtinction_event

Yes...the end for my beloved Trilobites...already in decline. Humans are but a blip in time. Now where is my Time Machine DVD?

[ScottSA]

If it's a case of a natural cycle...we'd best hope it isn't the same deal as happened in the late Permian period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian-Trias...xtinction_event

There is evidence that the extinction took a few million years but with a very sharp peak in the last 1 million years of the Permian (possibly in a period of under 60,000 years).

Yikes! In a worst case scenario, we can start panicking in about 10 times the amount of time that lies between now and the invention of the wheel! I'll go get rid of that incandescent lightbulb in the kitchen right now!

Jeeeezzz, I hope we at least have time to colonize the milky way first.

[B. Max]

I'll go get rid of that incandescent lightbulb in the kitchen right now!

It's a little cold outside here today so I turned on a few lights to crank up the coal fired power plant so it would put out some more CO2 and raise the temperature.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes...the end for my beloved Trilobites...already in decline. Humans are but a blip in time. Now where is my Time Machine DVD?

Heheh...roger that. I have a bit of a fossil collection (non-purchaced)...mostly from the Pine Pass in BC and the lower Okanagan. Trilobites are a rare find out in the open in BC...the place being generally underwater at the time, I believe (Devonian period). Usually it's just masses of sea shells. I found a leaf once that was probably from the late Cretaceous. My prize is still a Trachodon femur from Alberta...at least that's what was thought at the time, Trachodons being a somewhat dated, inaccurate term...some duck-bill anyways. No sign of the rest of the critter.

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While the rest of the species is descended from apes, redheads are descended from cats.

---Mark Twain

[DogOnPorch]

Yikes! In a worst case scenario, we can start panicking in about 10 times the amount of time that lies between now and the invention of the wheel! I'll go get rid of that incandescent lightbulb in the kitchen right now!

No need to panic in a sense...but the great desertification of the late Permian apparently happened quite quickly due to a rapid rise in CO2 from mass volcanic activity. It is possible that humans could provide a similar source of CO2, I suppose. Especially with our own efforts at deforestation.

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Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles.

---Dr James Dewey Watson

[jbg]

I notice us skeptics have the place to ourselves. Have the GW Idiots nothing to add?

[B. Max]

I notice us skeptics have the place to ourselves. Have the GW Idiots nothing to add?

I don't think the UN has issued them any new marching orders as of late.

On another note. My attempt to warming things up around here today as mentioned above has failed. The temperature dropped by 4 degrees.

[cybercoma]

Remember that wonderful picture of stranded polar bears on an ice floe that were used by folks like soon-to-be-Dr. Al Gore to demonstrate how dire the man-made global warming issue is?

Well, ABC television in Australia, on a show called “Media Watch,” recently debunked the entire issue (video available here, h/t NB member dscott).

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/watch/def...02_2120&story=3

It turns out -- as NewBuster Jake Gontesky reported on March 20 -- the picture was taken in August, “when every year the fringes of the Arctic ice cap melt regardless of the wider effects of global warming.”

The photographer, Australian marine biology student Amanda Byrd, didn’t think the bears were in any jeopardy:

The problem with the polar bears is not the fact that the ice melts alone, it's that with global warming, the ice melts sooner each year. The problem with this is that the bears must swim further distances to find food after hibernating through the winter. After not eating for months, the longer swim makes them too weak to feed and more bears are dying.

That particular bear in question may have been caught out there in August, but that doesn't take away from th fact that global climate change is actually affecting polar bears in general, since the thaw is occurring sooner each year.

[cybercoma]

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying, btw.

All I'm saying is the global mean temperature is changing and it is having an adverse affect on things. I don't think anyone is denying that. I think people are still busy splitting hairs over cause and whether we can affect change.

[jbg]

I think people are still busy splitting hairs over cause and whether we can affect change.

That's hardly a "hair split". In fact, it's the very heart of the Kyoto issue. If we're dealing with natural cycles, then taking actions that hamper economic activity are futile, a waste of time, and an imposition on poor and middle class people who cannot afford to buy "carbon offsets" (link).

[B. Max]

I think people are still busy splitting hairs over cause and whether we can affect change.

That's hardly a "hair split". In fact, it's the very heart of the Kyoto issue. If we're dealing with natural cycles, then taking actions that hamper economic activity are futile, a waste of time, and an imposition on poor and middle class people who cannot afford to buy "carbon offsets" (link).

A fool and his money is easily parted.