Billions of Bee's Dying

GostHacked · April 12, 2007

Blueblood.

Are you not the same person who complained about GM seeds and copyright/patent issues? Seems like you have a personal hate for them there in that thread, but now have turned a 180.

Do you know how much bees it would take to pollinate a half section canola field? No plants I grow need bees, wheat grows fine and germinates without them. If bees were needed to pollinate grain crops, I'd be having some hives on my property and would be going deaf from the constant drone of bees. Hippies and their fearmongering, jeez!!!

If you were to grow those same crops 40 years ago, before GM seeds, did you need bees to do the work then?

I find it laughable that those who have never handled GM seeds or even set foot in a field would be spreading this garbage and conducting this fearmongering about GM food. The only problem with GM seeds is the fact that they are too expensive.

Do some crops need pollination? Some crops do it themselves without any outside intervention?

We still have no clue on the long term effects on humans after consumption of the GM products. Hell we thought it was a good freakin idea to pump all our cattle with hormones. Now that is starting to catch up with us. And don't you have to buy your seeds every year? Since the seeds cannot be used to plant another crop, they are designed to die out at the end of the season. The farmer cannot save any seeds for anything. This was not possible 30 years ago.

ScottSA · April 12, 2007

I don't know what it is with left wingers and trying to kill industries.

It has something to do with Ludditism. Anything new is bad; especially if it involves great smelly machinery like combines and those great big CO2 emmitting tractor thingies. Why not go back to plowing with oxen? Non-farting oxen, mind you...

Except that the things you list are not new, having been a farmer for most of my life I was not around when these items were not used. Oxen were a hundred years before I was born.

Boy, things sure fire over your head at speed, don't they? Look up "irony".

blueblood · April 12, 2007

Blueblood.
Are you not the same person who complained about GM seeds and copyright/patent issues? Seems like you have a personal hate for them there in that thread, but now have turned a 180.

Do you know how much bees it would take to pollinate a half section canola field? No plants I grow need bees, wheat grows fine and germinates without them. If bees were needed to pollinate grain crops, I'd be having some hives on my property and would be going deaf from the constant drone of bees. Hippies and their fearmongering, jeez!!!

If you were to grow those same crops 40 years ago, before GM seeds, did you need bees to do the work then?

I find it laughable that those who have never handled GM seeds or even set foot in a field would be spreading this garbage and conducting this fearmongering about GM food. The only problem with GM seeds is the fact that they are too expensive.

Do some crops need pollination? Some crops do it themselves without any outside intervention?

We still have no clue on the long term effects on humans after consumption of the GM products. Hell we thought it was a good freakin idea to pump all our cattle with hormones. Now that is starting to catch up with us. And don't you have to buy your seeds every year? Since the seeds cannot be used to plant another crop, they are designed to die out at the end of the season. The farmer cannot save any seeds for anything. This was not possible 30 years ago.

Oh sorry, to be perfectly clear I like the GM crop thing as a product, I am against all the liscencing, copyright and redtape malarkey that has to go with it. They're not designed to die out, which is why a guy got his pants sued off. If they make them die out, then I don't have a leg to stand on as far as GM seed pricing goes, I'll have no choice but to pay the price, they should have engineered that in the first place with the seed, I'd have no problem paying for it then.

Guthrie · April 12, 2007

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Oh sorry, to be perfectly clear I like the GM crop thing as a product...

and which GM products do you currently purchase regularly?

buffycat · April 12, 2007

wrt a certain poster's utter ignorance of how food crops are pollinated:

Farmers will hire beekeepers to keep hives near their lands to increase their crops (especially oilseed, since one wants the highest fertilisation rate one can achieve - more seeds = more oils). Think rapeseed - or as it is presently known 'canola', most of which in Canada is GM.

Oh the dude who thought that since pterodactyls died off what difference does it make - well, angiosperms didn't exist at that time and overall your statement contributes nothing of value.

(I'll wait for him to look that big word up)

Lastly - I don't think the false left/right paradigm really applies in this discussion - though I don't think many on this board really wish for true discussion - just who can say the most inane sarcastic and meaningless thing.

Oh well - go have your lattes.

blueblood · April 13, 2007

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Oh sorry, to be perfectly clear I like the GM crop thing as a product...

and which GM products do you currently purchase regularly?

GM canola seed, and margerine and other canola related products.

blueblood · April 13, 2007

wrt a certain poster's utter ignorance of how food crops are pollinated:
Farmers will hire beekeepers to keep hives near their lands to increase their crops (especially oilseed, since one wants the highest fertilisation rate one can achieve - more seeds = more oils). Think rapeseed - or as it is presently known 'canola', most of which in Canada is GM.

Oh the dude who thought that since pterodactyls died off what difference does it make - well, angiosperms didn't exist at that time and overall your statement contributes nothing of value.

(I'll wait for him to look that big word up)

Lastly - I don't think the false left/right paradigm really applies in this discussion - though I don't think many on this board really wish for true discussion - just who can say the most inane sarcastic and meaningless thing.

Oh well - go have your lattes.

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Being as I grow GM canola, I know what the hell I'm talking about. I do not need bees. the amount of bees if i did need them would be mind boggling. I do not need an ivory tower elitist, giving me lessons on how agriculture works. Time to fold up your tent and move on.

ScottSA · April 13, 2007

Oh the dude who thought that since pterodactyls died off what difference does it make - well, angiosperms didn't exist at that time and overall your statement contributes nothing of value.
(I'll wait for him to look that big word up)

Hey sweetie, I went and looked thet big werd up. Thenks! BTW, the only thing worse than overt ignorance is ignorance masquerading as knowledge. You, my dear, are a prime example. Your knowledge of agribusiness is taken from the "Hippies Handbook on Growing Dope and Other Far Out Stuff", which explains why it focuses on hemp as the panacea for agriculture and probably dope as the answer to the healthcare crisis.

PolyNewbie · April 13, 2007

ScottsA: You should learn more about hemp. Its almost like the 8th wonder of the world. We can make better paper, clothes, everything from it. It really is amazing that many common things are not made of hemp. Hemp seed has many health benefits. None of this has anything to do with dope.

Hemp cloths are more comfortable and last longer than cotton. They also suit a lower temperature climate better. Hemp pants are a lot warmer in the winter.

ScottSA · April 13, 2007

ScottsA: You should learn more about hemp. Its almost like the 8th wonder of the world. We can make better paper, clothes, everything from it. It really is amazing that many common things are not made of hemp. Hemp seed has many health benefits. None of this has anything to do with dope.
Hemp cloths are more comfortable and last longer than cotton. They also suit a lower temperature climate better. Hemp pants are a lot warmer in the winter.

Wait till the bankers find out. Then we're in trouble...

blueblood · April 13, 2007

I've already debunked hemp in a different thread.

PolyNewbie · April 13, 2007

How can you debunk hemp ????

What other materials can you debunk ? What does something look like after its been debunked ?

blueblood · April 13, 2007

How can you debunk hemp ????
What other materials can you debunk ? What does something look like after its been debunked ?

ont. gov't

judging by these piss poor returns, why would anyone waste their time with this crop.

Oh but it's by the gov't of Ontario which according to you is top heavy with Bankers, sorry it's not by some wingnut that was google searched.

Guthrie · April 13, 2007

How can you debunk hemp ????

What other materials can you debunk ? What does something look like after its been debunked ?

ont. gov't

judging by these piss poor returns, why would anyone waste their time with this crop.

Oh but it's by the gov't of Ontario which according to you is top heavy with Bankers, sorry it's not by some wingnut that was google searched.

It isn't a piss poor crop and there are a lot of very sound reasons to cultivate it.

guyser · April 14, 2007

It isn't a piss poor crop and there are a lot of very sound reasons to cultivate it.

Not one of those good reasons is money.

Blueblood is a farmer, and I would suspect that farmers want to make as much money as they can. If hemp did that, blueblood wouldnt say that it is not a money maker.

Guthrie · April 14, 2007

It isn't a piss poor crop and there are a lot of very sound reasons to cultivate it.

Not one of those good reasons is money.

Blueblood is a farmer, and I would suspect that farmers want to make as much money as they can. If hemp did that, blueblood wouldnt say that it is not a money maker.

They are ALL money.

Link

blueblood · April 14, 2007

It isn't a piss poor crop and there are a lot of very sound reasons to cultivate it.

Not one of those good reasons is money.

Blueblood is a farmer, and I would suspect that farmers want to make as much money as they can. If hemp did that, blueblood wouldnt say that it is not a money maker.

I read the article I posted, it looks like a money pit; theres red tape, sky high input costs, use of a lot of fuel, excessive wear on machinery (not being able to use a rotary combine is a huge red flag). To be getting those returns on 10 measly acres is a turn off from growing it. Storage is a huge problem. the economics of this crop is just laughable. 40 bucks an acre for THC testing and sampling???

Guthrie · April 14, 2007

so, it's new to you and you're scared --- I've heard such worries from farmers a good part of my life - that desire for guarantees is crippling, especially in a crap shoot business like farming

blueblood · April 14, 2007

It isn't a piss poor crop and there are a lot of very sound reasons to cultivate it.

Not one of those good reasons is money.

Blueblood is a farmer, and I would suspect that farmers want to make as much money as they can. If hemp did that, blueblood wouldnt say that it is not a money maker.

They are ALL money.

Link

What do I want to know about liscensing, it's a big pain in the ass, and not worth me investing into.

blueblood · April 14, 2007

so, it's new to you and you're scared --- I've heard such worries from farmers a good part of my life - that desire for guarantees is crippling, especially in a crap shoot business like farming

It would be smart business sense not to invest in this, did you not read the article? I'm out to make a living, not play gardener. I don't see any hemp processors popping up within trucking distance of my house, whereas two ginormous canola crushers are, biofuel is already taking care of us. If there was better returns, more producers, the bigger ones would grow it.

PolyNewbie · April 14, 2007

I just paiud $80.00 for hemp pants- worth $120 I figure - comfort + durability = 2 X jeans. I also see hemp seed is expensive in health food stores. Maybe the farmer doesn't make much but the post procesors do.

blueblood · April 14, 2007

I just paiud $80.00 for hemp pants- worth $120 I figure - comfort + durability = 2 X jeans. I also see hemp seed is expensive in health food stores. Maybe the farmer doesn't make much but the post procesors do.

Not unless they are under contract.

sharkman · April 15, 2007

This just in, bees are dying off due to the effects of cell phone radiation which interrupts their homing senses. They can't make it back to the hive. If this turns out to be true, do you think people will give up cell phones or food? I'm betting on the food.

The story.

B. Max · April 15, 2007

This just in, bees are dying off due to the effects of cell phone radiation which interrupts their homing senses. They can't make it back to the hive. If this turns out to be true, do you think people will give up cell phones or food? I'm betting on the food.
The story.

Cell phones have been around for years. Why now.